Austin Reaves

[tiderulz]

that's too much for him...no doubt that will get him, unless he takes over in the next two rounds, that's a gross overpay.

meawhile Poole is getting paid $30mil+ and GS cant rely on him in games and doesnt play any defense. If you wanted Simons i could live with that, but not Poole

Totally understand that take...at this point, I prefer Simons to Poole and have grave concerns about Poole but can't just throw away the knowledge that Poole is still very young, and has scored prolifically at times-not that long ago. I know it's in him, he's not out of the league, he's just struggling at the moment. His offensive upside dwarfs Reaves, IMO, even though Reaves looks pretty good today.

Simons' contract suddenly looks great, Poole's not so much-but he's capable of earning it again, Reaves-depends on the deal. I just don't think Reaves upside is that high and if people are suddenly talking 25-30m...I'm way out on Reaves. I don't want to chase and spend 15m+ on a FA guard who isn't likely to score 20ppg. If we're not looking at a third "Big 3" guy, I'd just as soon spend a lot less on a DDV or NAW type and hope for solid rotation piece at around MLE or less.

but is that really him or the system? and $15mil isnt going to get you any player that scores 20ppg. $15mil is going to get you a 12-15 ppg player imo

[Skybox]

meawhile Poole is getting paid $30mil+ and GS cant rely on him in games and doesnt play any defense. If you wanted Simons i could live with that, but not Poole

Totally understand that take...at this point, I prefer Simons to Poole and have grave concerns about Poole but can't just throw away the knowledge that Poole is still very young, and has scored prolifically at times-not that long ago. I know it's in him, he's not out of the league, he's just struggling at the moment. His offensive upside dwarfs Reaves, IMO, even though Reaves looks pretty good today.

Simons' contract suddenly looks great, Poole's not so much-but he's capable of earning it again, Reaves-depends on the deal. I just don't think Reaves upside is that high and if people are suddenly talking 25-30m...I'm way out on Reaves. I don't want to chase and spend 15m+ on a FA guard who isn't likely to score 20ppg. If we're not looking at a third "Big 3" guy, I'd just as soon spend a lot less on a DDV or NAW type and hope for solid rotation piece at around MLE or less.

but is that really him or the system? and $15mil isnt going to get you any player that scores 20ppg. $15mil is going to get you a 12-15 ppg player imo

That's exactly what I'm meaning to convey...either spend 25+ for a true threat (big swings come with risk-salary, age, injury history...) or scale it back and spend $12m or less for a solid role player...the spot in between is the gateway to mediocrity (given our lineup)...adding an expensive starter who isn't really a big scoring threat isn't worth it, IMO. I just don't want to pay a guy who isn't likely to step into our top 2 or 3 in the offensive hierarchy...we've got plenty of great backups already...go big or just play it safe.

[drsd]

That's exactly what I'm meaning to convey...either spend 25+ for a true threat (big swings come with risk-salary, age, injury history...) or scale it back and spend $12m or less for a solid role player...the spot in between is the gateway to mediocrity (given our lineup)...adding an expensive starter who isn't really a big scoring threat isn't worth it, IMO. I just don't want to pay a guy who isn't likely to step into our top 2 or 3 in the offensive hierarchy...we've got plenty of great backups already...go big or just play it safe.

What does 12M get, well G-Harris is on 13M. So that's one answer. Josh Hart is the perfect match at that salary line. So 12-13M get one 10ppg.

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[Skybox]

That's exactly what I'm meaning to convey...either spend 25+ for a true threat (big swings come with risk-salary, age, injury history...) or scale it back and spend $12m or less for a solid role player...the spot in between is the gateway to mediocrity (given our lineup)...adding an expensive starter who isn't really a big scoring threat isn't worth it, IMO. I just don't want to pay a guy who isn't likely to step into our top 2 or 3 in the offensive hierarchy...we've got plenty of great backups already...go big or just play it safe.

What does 12M get, well G-Harris is on 13M. So that's one answer. Josh Hart is the perfect match at that salary line. So 12-13M get one 10ppg.

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Yes…if you’re not going to spend big, might as well keep Gary and hang onto fantasies of Fultz averaging 20ppg…my point, again, is not to expect much of an impact without spending 25m on a scoring guard. That’s not saying pay Reaves or GTJ that money. Spend it on a guy who has shown legit 20+ ppg ability. Don’t get stuck in the midrange, the NBA’s middle class kills cap space roster flexibility. You want 2 or (someday) 3 big-dollar guys, 2 or 3 solid rotation guys on rookie deals and round out your rotation with MLE or less guys (like Harris…the back end of the roster should be vet mins or rookie deals (or similar)….this is the Austin Reaves thread and my whole point is that he will likely command an 18-25+ deal and he’s not enough of a difference maker to get that…at least from us.

Josh Hart is a FA and he will be getting a substantial raise.

[basketballRob]

But is reeves that guy?

This is a critical question as Reaves on Orlando might be used like G-Harris. Then: why would the Magic pay him 25-30M a year to be an 8ppg guy?

I don't think so.... We've only seen reeves being the wide open option.... The benefit of the gravity of a lebron James and AD..... Also getting that LA whistle doesn't hurt

One would hope that next year Banchero and F-Wagner are both magnets of defenders. If so, Orlando needs permitter shooting at the SG position.

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Gary Harris can't dribble or create, Reaves can.

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[basketballRob]

I just don’t see star power in Reaves. He’s good, but people throwing around $30m figures for a SG who might peak at 16ppg with weak D? I’d much rather take a shot at Simons or even Poole, in that price range (or less), who have shown they can put up gaudy ppg, even in the shadow of HOFers. I consider Reaves a complementary player, not a leading man…and that’s leading man money.

The max you can offer Reaves is 4-yrs $98M.

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[KillMonger]

But is reeves that guy?

This is a critical question as Reaves on Orlando might be used like G-Harris. Then: why would the Magic pay him 25-30M a year to be an 8ppg guy?

I don't think so.... We've only seen reeves being the wide open option.... The benefit of the gravity of a lebron James and AD..... Also getting that LA whistle doesn't hurt

One would hope that next year Banchero and F-Wagner are both magnets of defenders. If so, Orlando needs permitter shooting at the SG position.

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Gary Harris can't dribble or create, Reaves can.

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That position is filled many times over on this team.... Who's hands we taking the ball out of to let Reaves do his thing? I think we're alright with what we got....is Reaves that much better than Suggs or Cole? Either way Reaves is more fantasy than anything, don't see lakers letting him go that easy and imo anything north of 20 million for his limited body of work would be an overpay

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[BadMofoPimp]

Rather see what Suggs can do.

[eyriq]

Reaves is gonna get paid

[Knightro]

But is reeves that guy? I don't think so.... We've only seen reeves being the wide open option.... The benefit of the gravity of a lebron James and AD..... Also getting that LA whistle doesn't hurt

He played a ton of games this season, like 25 games, without LeBron and had very good numbers in those games for what it's worth.

[thelead]

I’m not loving some of his hero shots as of late

[drsd]

I just don’t see star power in Reaves. He’s good, but people throwing around $30m figures for a SG who might peak at 16ppg with weak D? I’d much rather take a shot at Simons or even Poole, in that price range (or less), who have shown they can put up gaudy ppg, even in the shadow of HOFers. I consider Reaves a complementary player, not a leading man…and that’s leading man money.

The max you can offer Reaves is 4-yrs $98M.

The Arenas provision states that Reaves can only sign a two-year contract with year one at the MLE provision and year 2 on a 5% increase, PLUS, the player can then sign for max money in years 3 and 4.

That is: the $98,679,400 contract has this shape.

2023-24 $11,368,000
2024-25 $11,936,400
2025-26 $36,850,000
2026-27 $38,525,000


Given the Lakers financial uncertainties, it is rumored that even a 4-year, 60M deal is unmatchable. If Orlando could get Reaves for less than 20M a year, that is a huge upgrade over G-Harris for no additional cap hit relative to the new CBA figures.

[KillMonger]

But is reeves that guy? I don't think so.... We've only seen reeves being the wide open option.... The benefit of the gravity of a lebron James and AD..... Also getting that LA whistle doesn't hurt

He played a ton of games this season, like 25 games, without LeBron and had very good numbers in those games for what it's worth.

without bron and ad? got to see those games then....however still wouldn't be enough body of work for me....if i was gm i would need to see a whole season of elevated play if i'm going to pull the trigger on offering reaves close to 100 million....especially when i'm not entirely sold his ceiling is any higher than suggs or cole....however if the price is right....never say never

[Nyce_1]

I'd happily trade Gary for a S&T Reaves. If they don't want Gary, waive him or trade him for a TPE and sign Reaves outright.

[cedric76]

You can see that Reaves used to play PG before

[fendilim]

Austinsanity

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On the fence about Reeves.

On one hand, I think he could be an answer for Orlando’s floor spacing.

On the other hand, I don’t know if his production will drop off in another system after getting massively paid.

[KillMonger]

On the fence about Reeves.

On one hand, I think he could be an answer for Orlando’s floor spacing.

On the other hand, I don’t know if his production will drop off in another system after getting massively paid.

Somebody said it before, a player whistle changes when that "laker" comes off their chest

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[YosemiteSam]

On the fence about Reeves.

On one hand, I think he could be an answer for Orlando’s floor spacing.

On the other hand, I don’t know if his production will drop off in another system after getting massively paid.

Somebody said it before, a player whistle changes when that "laker" comes off their chest

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+100. He is a Laker creation. Will not replicate this elsewhere.

[KillMonger]

On the fence about Reeves.

On one hand, I think he could be an answer for Orlando’s floor spacing.

On the other hand, I don’t know if his production will drop off in another system after getting massively paid.

Somebody said it before, a player whistle changes when that "laker" comes off their chest

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+100. He is a Laker creation. Will not replicate this elsewhere.

Don't get me wrong I think he's good but being the 3 or 4th option while pretty much being open.... Not sure that's worth 100 million.... But that laker machine puts a little extra shine on that fools gold..... Put Cole Anthony in that same role on the lakers? No difference

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