Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 6.0

[basketballRob]

Paul George gave praise to Paolo starting at around 102:00.

https://youtu.be/7VEbjNiZO1E?feature=shared

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[Ducklett]

Good or bad news, depending on who you ask, that Vegas odds got equal odds on Klay returning to GSW and Klay signing with Magic.

[RookieStar]

Good or bad news, depending on who you ask, that Vegas odds got equal odds on Klay returning to GSW and Klay signing with Magic.

Either way... house always wins lol

[Optimus_Steel]

How much decline in tv ratings, including both finals and playoffs overall will play in future salary cap projections?

None, as the new deal was already negotiated.

I read an editorial that networks are over spending on live events as it is the only thing that competes with streaming platforms. That the streamers are getting into this game, the money is gonna go crazy, yet again.

We are only about 10 years away from an individual player getting a contract that pays more than 100M a year. 1B life-time incomes will become quite common in about 20 year.

So: the cap will be fine. Over this CBA, it will be a max 10% increase each year. The next CBA could lead to a major labor fight, as frankly, a 100M per year contact for "The Next LBJ" will be an underpay (from agents' views).

Sports contracts make no sense lmao. My guess these networks going to regret these TV contracts.

[Knightro]

If you had to guess.

What other move(s) do you think they would make if Klay is absolutely getting signed here? He’s looking to get paid. Possibly way more here than anyone else would pay him.

My guess...

Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke all gone.

Moritz team option declined to maximize cap space and then resigned at the end via the room exception.

With Moritz and Ingles declined, the Magic will have about 51M in cap space, give or take.

Klay gets 3 years, $90M with the third year a team option - starting around 30M or so.

That leaves around $20M in cap space. Magic then sign Tyus Jones for 2/32 and resign Goga 2/10.

Magic then draft Tristan da Silva at 18 and Jamal Shead at 48.

Magic then trade Cole Anthony to Dallas for Tim Hardaway Jr.

OUT: Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke, Anthony
IN: Klay, Tyus, Hardaway, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder

G: Suggs, Tyus, Shead
G: Klay, Black, Jett
F: Franz, Hardaway, Houstan
F: Banchero, Isaac, da Silva
C: Carter, Moritz, Goga

[VFX]

If you had to guess.

What other move(s) do you think they would make if Klay is absolutely getting signed here? He’s looking to get paid. Possibly way more here than anyone else would pay him.

My guess...

Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke all gone.

Moritz team option declined to maximize cap space and then resigned at the end via the room exception.

With Moritz and Ingles declined, the Magic will have about 51M in cap space, give or take.

Klay gets 3 years, $90M with the third year a team option - starting around 30M or so.

That leaves around $20M in cap space. Magic then sign Tyus Jones for 2/32 and resign Goga 2/10.

Magic then draft Tristan da Silva at 18 and Jamal Shead at 48.

Magic then trade Cole Anthony to Dallas for Tim Hardaway Jr.

OUT: Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke, Anthony
IN: Klay, Tyus, Hardaway, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder

G: Suggs, Tyus, Shead
G: Klay, Black, Jett
F: Franz, Hardaway, Houstan
F: Banchero, Isaac, da Silva
C: Carter, Moritz, Goga

Sad times.

I also hate that rotation fwiw. Klay just seems like spending money for the sake of spending it. Center position still not addressed. Drafting 3rd string backups and AB out of his positional advantage.

[SOUL]

Tim Hardaway is cooked. Would rather trade Cole for anyone else that makes sense lol. I'm fine with everything else but I think Black's path to PT is backup PG or backup SF moving forward until he hits his peak.

[RookieStar]

If you had to guess.

What other move(s) do you think they would make if Klay is absolutely getting signed here? He’s looking to get paid. Possibly way more here than anyone else would pay him.

My guess...

Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke all gone.

Moritz team option declined to maximize cap space and then resigned at the end via the room exception.

With Moritz and Ingles declined, the Magic will have about 51M in cap space, give or take.

Klay gets 3 years, $90M with the third year a team option - starting around 30M or so.

That leaves around $20M in cap space. Magic then sign Tyus Jones for 2/32 and resign Goga 2/10.

Magic then draft Tristan da Silva at 18 and Jamal Shead at 48.

Magic then trade Cole Anthony to Dallas for Tim Hardaway Jr.

OUT: Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke, Anthony
IN: Klay, Tyus, Hardaway, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder

G: Suggs, Tyus, Shead
G: Klay, Black, Jett
F: Franz, Hardaway, Houstan
F: Banchero, Isaac, da Silva
C: Carter, Moritz, Goga

Not bad... the only thing i think that will not happen is we use the SRP and that we get rid of Jingles.

Also.... THJ?? Really? No way

[Knightro]

Sad times.

I also hate that rotation fwiw. Klay just seems like spending money for the sake of spending it. Center position still not addressed. Drafting 3rd string backups and AB out of his positional advantage.

I think they like their center rotation - the incumbent three guys from this year plus Isaac able to shift down and play some center in small stretches - more than the fans do.

I also think we have to be realistic about some of this stuff, specifically around the draft.

Whoever they pick at 18 is almost assuredly going to be a third stringer, at least at first. I don't think it's fair to expect the 18th pick in a weak draft to go into the rotation from the jump. Not for a team that's got relatively significant playoff aspirations.

[SOUL]

C will have to be addressed in the future, but WCJ is completely fine, especially if he plays better than this year, which we know he can. Even on an off year, him and Claxton had pretty similar advanced stats (when factoring in total games played) - similar TS despite WCJ taking outside shots way more, same usage, assist rate, better offense and worse defense.

Not sure why we're so gung ho to pay Claxton 20-25 mil a year when we can get away with WCJ for 11 until it's time to upgrade.

[Knightro]

Not bad... the only thing i think that will not happen is we use the SRP and that we get rid of Jingles.

Also.... THJ?? Really? No way

I mean they could decline Ingles' team option and bring him back for the vet minimum or something.

But they almost have to decline his option to maximize their cap space. It doesn't really make sense not to.

[RookieStar]

Not bad... the only thing i think that will not happen is we use the SRP and that we get rid of Jingles.

Also.... THJ?? Really? No way

I mean they could decline Ingles' team option and bring him back for the vet minimum or something.

But they almost have to decline his option to maximize their cap space. It doesn't really make sense not to.

Ah yeah.. but i looked at your rotation and didnt see him. Just basing the history of our FO, and the situation where we dont have good locker room vets, i think he will be in the rotation still

[meatwad4343]

If you had to guess.

What other move(s) do you think they would make if Klay is absolutely getting signed here? He’s looking to get paid. Possibly way more here than anyone else would pay him.

My guess...

Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke all gone.

Moritz team option declined to maximize cap space and then resigned at the end via the room exception.

With Moritz and Ingles declined, the Magic will have about 51M in cap space, give or take.

Klay gets 3 years, $90M with the third year a team option - starting around 30M or so.

That leaves around $20M in cap space. Magic then sign Tyus Jones for 2/32 and resign Goga 2/10.

Magic then draft Tristan da Silva at 18 and Jamal Shead at 48.

Magic then trade Cole Anthony to Dallas for Tim Hardaway Jr.

OUT: Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke, Anthony
IN: Klay, Tyus, Hardaway, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder

G: Suggs, Tyus, Shead
G: Klay, Black, Jett
F: Franz, Hardaway, Houstan
F: Banchero, Isaac, da Silva
C: Carter, Moritz, Goga

Not bad... the only thing i think that will not happen is we use the SRP and that we get rid of Jingles.

Also.... THJ?? Really? No way

I'm fine with over paying klay a little if it's only on a two year deal. You could get a decent year out of him this year and could be used as an expiring after. Reports are that he wants at least three years guaranteed and if that's the case I'm passing.

[RookieStar]

We need a poll.. do we prefer Klay or PG.

[BadMofoPimp]

If you had to guess.

What other move(s) do you think they would make if Klay is absolutely getting signed here? He’s looking to get paid. Possibly way more here than anyone else would pay him.

My guess...

Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke all gone.

Moritz team option declined to maximize cap space and then resigned at the end via the room exception.

With Moritz and Ingles declined, the Magic will have about 51M in cap space, give or take.

Klay gets 3 years, $90M with the third year a team option - starting around 30M or so.

That leaves around $20M in cap space. Magic then sign Tyus Jones for 2/32 and resign Goga 2/10.

Magic then draft Tristan da Silva at 18 and Jamal Shead at 48.

Magic then trade Cole Anthony to Dallas for Tim Hardaway Jr.

OUT: Fultz, Harris, Ingles, Okeke, Anthony
IN: Klay, Tyus, Hardaway, 1st rounder, 2nd rounder

G: Suggs, Tyus, Shead
G: Klay, Black, Jett
F: Franz, Hardaway, Houstan
F: Banchero, Isaac, da Silva
C: Carter, Moritz, Goga

Honestly, that just seems like a panic move trying to win now and throw as much money around. Hardaway completely sucks, Klay is old and fastly declining. He is already a negative defensive player. Washington will probably match $20 mil per. I wouldn't pay more than $18 mil for that average poing guard.

To me, I am not even sure that team would beat last years Magic team. Definitely not a contender and would be locked in contracts for declining players. No thank you.

[Knightro]

Honestly, that just seems like a panic move trying to win now and throw as much money around. Hardaway completely sucks, Klay is old and fastly declining. He is already a negative defensive player. Washington will probably match $20 mil per. I wouldn't pay more than $18 mil for that average poing guard.

To me, I am not even sure that team would beat last years Magic team. Definitely not a contender and would be locked in contracts for declining players. No thank you.

I mean not really?

Klay and Tyus would be on 2 year deals. Hardaway is an expiring deal.

But really it's all about adding shooting, and lots of it.

Made 3PT Last year
Klay 268
Hardaway 211
Tyus 106

Magic only had two guys make 100+ threes a year ago, and none made more than 170.

[VFX]

We need a poll.. do we prefer Klay or PG.

Make sure to add a neither option.

[BadMofoPimp]

Honestly, that just seems like a panic move trying to win now and throw as much money around. Hardaway completely sucks, Klay is old and fastly declining. He is already a negative defensive player. Washington will probably match $20 mil per. I wouldn't pay more than $18 mil for that average poing guard.

To me, I am not even sure that team would beat last years Magic team. Definitely not a contender and would be locked in contracts for declining players. No thank you.

I mean not really?

Klay and Tyus would be on 2 year deals. Hardaway is an expiring deal.

But really it's all about adding shooting, and lots of it.

Made 3PT Last year
Klay 268
Hardaway 211
Tyus 106

Magic only had two guys make 100+ threes a year ago, and none made more than 170.

I seriously doubt either player is looking for 2 year deals. And, they both will be overpayed. One a vastly aging past his prime of which fans can only envision his past performances as if Klay will even remotely earn his $30 mil plus he wants while Tyus is an average at best Point Guard who finally average more than 25mpg for the first time of his career after 8 seasons of being below mediocre looking decent on the worst team in the league . Neither and both won't push the needle here. This team isn't poised to win it all next year and these guys are not the answer. The Magic are building for years 3-5 from now. I would take Tyus on an $18 mil per at most for a backup PG role only.

[VFX]

Honestly, that just seems like a panic move trying to win now and throw as much money around. Hardaway completely sucks, Klay is old and fastly declining. He is already a negative defensive player. Washington will probably match $20 mil per. I wouldn't pay more than $18 mil for that average poing guard.

To me, I am not even sure that team would beat last years Magic team. Definitely not a contender and would be locked in contracts for declining players. No thank you.

I mean not really?

Klay and Tyus would be on 2 year deals. Hardaway is an expiring deal.

But really it's all about adding shooting, and lots of it.

Made 3PT Last year
Klay 268
Hardaway 211
Tyus 106

Magic only had two guys make 100+ threes a year ago, and none made more than 170.

I seriously doubt either player is looking for 2 year deals. And, they both will be overpayed. One a vastly aging past his prime of which fans can only envision his past performances as if Klay will even remotely earn his $30 mil plus he wants while Tyus is an average at best Point Guard who finally average more than 25mpg for the first time of his career after 8 seasons of being below mediocre looking decent on the worst team in the league . Neither and both won't push the needle here. This team isn't poised to win it all next year and these guys are not the answer. The Magic are building for years 3-5 from now. I would take Tyus on an $18 mil per at most for a backup PG role only.

It’s already been reported that Klay wants a 3-4 year large deal.

[pepe1991]

G: Suggs, Tyus, Shead
G: Klay, Black, Jett
F: Franz, Hardaway, Houstan
F: Banchero, Isaac, da Silva
C: Carter, Moritz, Goga

at every position there is one guy who won't finish season due injuries.