Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIV, Mods Close))

[The Real Dalic]

Dwight the GM might be the one GM worse than Otis. Just saying.

So? we're trying to keep him are we not? if he says getting someone keeps him for at least another year, you have to make that trade...

No you don't. Dwight is not the GM. I don't care if he wants all of his friends to play with him. Trying to make him happy is going to make this team worse in the long run when he leaves anyway.

But, you're one of the guys that says he's gone anyway. so, of course you wouldn't make a move. but I believe he would stay, and I say we should make a move that makes his decision easier.

[Def Swami]

How can anyone NOT want a trade? Maybe if Dwight wasn't a FA after the year, but if you sit and do nothing you are pretty much putting all your eggs in the basket of Hedo, J-Rich, Jameer, etc. stepping up and going far in the playoffs. Even then, Dwight still may be tempted to leave.

When your star players asks out, but leaves the door open to stay if changes are made and you do absolutely nothing, you deserve to lose your star player because that is pure incompetence.

3 possibilities:

1.) Alex Martins knows something or has something in his pocket that would keep Dwight. It could be a trade, or it could be that Dwight has changed his tune behind doors but is keeping his trade request to pressure Otis to make the moves. Deadline is March 15, and I don't expect much to happen until the week of.

2.) Alex Martins and the Magic FO are putting on a good face until March 14 and realize they can't get Dwight help, at which point they'll settle and trade him. Again, it's a long time to go until March 15.

3.) Magic FO is garbage and really is about to risk the future of the franchise (Devos is a smart business guy. This seems unlikely to me for that reason.)

I say scenario 2 is most likely at play, and the Magic are having trouble dealing for help at the moment, but things can change next week. And if they don't, Dwight will be shipped.

[Nemesis21]

How can anyone NOT want a trade? Maybe if Dwight wasn't a FA after the year, but if you sit and do nothing you are pretty much putting all your eggs in the basket of Hedo, J-Rich, Jameer, etc. stepping up and going far in the playoffs. Even then, Dwight still may be tempted to leave.

When your star players asks out, but leaves the door open to stay if changes are made and you do absolutely nothing, you deserve to lose your star player because that is pure incompetence.

3 possibilities:

1.) Alex Martins knows something or has something in his pocket that would keep Dwight. It could be a trade, or it could be that Dwight has changed his tune behind doors but is keeping his trade request to pressure Otis to make the moves. Deadline is March 15, and I don't expect much to happen until the week of.

2.) Alex Martins and the Magic FO are putting on a good face until March 14 and realize they can't get Dwight help, at which point they'll settle and trade him. Again, it's a long time to go until March 15.

3.) Magic FO is garbage and really is about to risk the future of the franchise (Devos is a smart business guy. This seems unlikely to me for that reason.)

I say scenario 2 is most likely at play, and the Magic are having trouble dealing for help at the moment, but things can change next week. And if they don't, Dwight will be shipped.

I believe option 1 is likely.

[The Real Dalic]

"The Magic aren't contenders" is a point I'll refute because the evidence is there to say otherwise. Projecting the future is all about probability, and frankly the calculus involving Orlando's chances is still evolving. So any trade clamor built around the premise that the Magic can't contend as is I'll happily challenge.

We'll have a good chance to see if you're right these next 8 games. we have teams like Chicago twice, Heat twice, Pacers, Spurs, that should show how good we really are.

[RickB-Orlando]

How can anyone NOT want a trade? Maybe if Dwight wasn't a FA after the year, but if you sit and do nothing you are pretty much putting all your eggs in the basket of Hedo, J-Rich, Jameer, etc. stepping up and going far in the playoffs. Even then, Dwight still may be tempted to leave.

When your star players asks out, but leaves the door open to stay if changes are made and you do absolutely nothing, you deserve to lose your star player because that is pure incompetence.

The only problem with this is that it's much more difficult to make a trade right now - there simply may not be improvements to be made in the middle of the season.

Some small moves now with larger ones in the offseason may be more realistic. It's a tough spot because, due to the lockout, the ability to make major moves was blunted. A full offseason could allow for the sort of moves Dwight is pushing for, a GM replacement, and moving contracts for space.

[OTownHoopstar23]

Ye this next stretch of games is gonna be really important hopefully we go undefeated

[arkknight1988]

the problem with fixing this roster is where do u start? it has too many holes (no wing defender, inconsistent pg sg and sf play, no backup center, terrible backup pg, davis is on a huge contract but anderson deserves all the minutes, athleticism) How can we fix these without trading our best assets in jj and anderson? if we trade jj our bench is the worst in the league. if we trade anderson then baby starts and we all know our +/- when davis is on the court.

[ShowtimeFan]

Laker fan here, just stopping by to see what Magic fans are saying, as a Laker fan, I really don't want Dwight, and hope he stays, if he was to MAN_UP and say he wants out or wants to be on the Lakers then it might be different, but hip tip-toing around NOT wanting anyone mad at him makes him look soft and wussy!!

He is NOT doing Orlando Fans or their management by his current actions, as you really do not have anyone to trade (other than Dwight) that will bring in any top-tier talent.

So my best guess is that if he is NOT traded he signs with the Nets or Mavs and you will have a repeat of what happened to the Cav's when Lebron left, EXCEPT Dwight will be able to look the camera striaght on and say "I told them to trade me"

Your 86 year old owner is severely misguided, by not pulling the trigger on a trade, if he thinks leaving $30mil of Guranteed money on the table is the deciding factor, then he is just plain WRONG.

Anyone will Basketball knowledge knows that the guarantteed contract difference of $30 mil is for (1) LESS year.

Dwight is still young and he will certainly be able to sign ANOTHER contract (after his next one), in the First year of that NEXT contact is for say $24mil, then he will have only lost about $6mil (NOT $30mil) and if he goes to a Big Market area, he should be about to pick-up MORE THAN $6mil in endorsemnet money and over the long run could actually make MORE money.

The only way it backfires is if Dwight gets injured and can never play again or at a reduced capacity.

[I Rasharted]

this thread is lame wake me on the 15th

[OMPunk]

Laker fan here, just stopping by to see what Magic fans are saying, as a Laker fan, I really don't want Dwight, and hope he stays, if he was to MAN_UP and say he wants out or wants to be on the Lakers then it might be different, but hip tip-toing around NOT wanting anyone mad at him makes him look soft and wussy!!

He is NOT doing Orlando Fans or their management by his current actions, as you really do not have anyone to trade (other than Dwight) that will bring in any top-tier talent.

So my best guess is that if he is NOT traded he signs with the Nets or Mavs and you will have a repeat of what happened to the Cav's when Lebron left, EXCEPT Dwight will be able to look the camera striaght on and say "I told them to trade me"

Your 86 year old owner is severely misguided, by not pulling the trigger on a trade, if he thinks leaving $30mil of Guranteed money on the table is the deciding factor, then he is just plain WRONG.

Anyone will Basketball knowledge knows that the guarantteed contract difference of $30 mil is for (1) LESS year.

Dwight is still young and he will certainly be able to sign ANOTHER contract (after his next one), in the First year of that NEXT contact is for say $24mil, then he will have only lost about $6mil (NOT $30mil) and if he goes to a Big Market area, he should be about to pick-up MORE THAN $6mil in endorsemnet money and over the long run could actually make MORE money.

The only way it backfires is if Dwight gets injured and can never play again or at a reduced capacity.

Just wanted to point this one part out to you....there are NO GUARANTEES. See Greg Oden and Grant Hill for instance. I'm sure Oden had the potential to be a multi time max contract guy that never panned out due to injuries....same with GHill.

[backasswards]

the problem with fixing this roster is where do u start? it has too many holes (no wing defender, inconsistent pg sg and sf play, no backup center, terrible backup pg, davis is on a huge contract but anderson deserves all the minutes, athleticism) How can we fix these without trading our best assets in jj and anderson? if we trade jj our bench is the worst in the league. if we trade anderson then baby starts and we all know our +/- when davis is on the court.

More people need to understand this.

[WeAreVenom]

Laker fan here, just stopping by to see what Magic fans are saying, as a Laker fan, I really don't want Dwight, and hope he stays, if he was to MAN_UP and say he wants out or wants to be on the Lakers then it might be different, but hip tip-toing around NOT wanting anyone mad at him makes him look soft and wussy!!

He is NOT doing Orlando Fans or their management by his current actions, as you really do not have anyone to trade (other than Dwight) that will bring in any top-tier talent.

So my best guess is that if he is NOT traded he signs with the Nets or Mavs and you will have a repeat of what happened to the Cav's when Lebron left, EXCEPT Dwight will be able to look the camera striaght on and say "I told them to trade me"

Your 86 year old owner is severely misguided, by not pulling the trigger on a trade, if he thinks leaving $30mil of Guranteed money on the table is the deciding factor, then he is just plain WRONG.

Anyone will Basketball knowledge knows that the guarantteed contract difference of $30 mil is for (1) LESS year.

Dwight is still young and he will certainly be able to sign ANOTHER contract (after his next one), in the First year of that NEXT contact is for say $24mil, then he will have only lost about $6mil (NOT $30mil) and if he goes to a Big Market area, he should be about to pick-up MORE THAN $6mil in endorsemnet money and over the long run could actually make MORE money.

The only way it backfires is if Dwight gets injured and can never play again or at a reduced capacity.

OK......let me ask you a question.

If it were Kobe in the same situation, don't you think you guys over in the Lakers board would have been over and discussed this 1000x? So what makes you think we haven't? There is nothing that you can say to us that we haven't already discussed a million times already.

Every scenario, every possible outcome, hell even every impossible outcome. Everything. We don't need any advice.

Sorry, but I hate to keep seeing all these fans coming over here and telling us "You can't keep Dwight! He's not really losing 30mil! You're GM is wrong!".

We know. ANYTHING you guys know about this situation, I guarantee we have known for months, already.

[MagicFan41]

the problem with fixing this roster is where do u start? it has too many holes (no wing defender, inconsistent pg sg and sf play, no backup center, terrible backup pg, davis is on a huge contract but anderson deserves all the minutes, athleticism) How can we fix these without trading our best assets in jj and anderson? if we trade jj our bench is the worst in the league. if we trade anderson then baby starts and we all know our +/- when davis is on the court.

Actually, I have no clue what our +/- is when BBD is on the court. How does one find that stat? There have been games where he shoots like crap and we are still a good + with him on the court because of some of the other stuff he brings to the table (last night for example, +11 with BBD). I'm actually curious as to what his overall +/- is. Also, remember that part of the issue may be compounded because he is in the 2nd-string lineup which includes Duhon, etc....so that might help to bring his +/- down some. Anyways, I actually want to know what everyone's +/- is....as well as how different lineups fair in that respect. How does one find a good site for that? In fact, just looking at the past 10 games, it's nowhere near as bad as you probably think.

[magicman123]

the problem with fixing this roster is where do u start? it has too many holes (no wing defender, inconsistent pg sg and sf play, no backup center, terrible backup pg, davis is on a huge contract but anderson deserves all the minutes, athleticism) How can we fix these without trading our best assets in jj and anderson? if we trade jj our bench is the worst in the league. if we trade anderson then baby starts and we all know our +/- when davis is on the court.

Actually, I have no clue what our +/- is when BBD is on the court. How does one find that stat? There have been games where he shoots like crap and we are still a good + with him on the court because of some of the other stuff he brings to the table (last night for example, +11 with BBD). I'm actually curious as to what his overall +/- is. Also, remember that part of the issue may be compounded because he is in the 2nd-string lineup which includes Duhon, etc....so that might help to bring his +/- down some. Anyways, I actually want to know what everyone's +/- is....as well as how different lineups fair in that respect. How does one find a good site for that? In fact, just looking at the past 10 games, it's nowhere near as bad as you probably think.

davis: 'per 48 minute' basis

Offense: Pts per 100 Poss:
On court: 98.2
OFF Court: 110.2
-12.0

Defense: Pts per 100 Poss.
On Court: 104.5
Off Court: 101.1
+3.4

Net Points per 100 Possessions
On Court: -6.3
Off Court: +9.1

http://www.82games.com/1112/11ORL13.HTM

[arkknight1988]

i knew our offense took a huge dive with davis on the court. the slightly better defense doesn't make up for the terrible offense he brings. some of it could have to do with duhon as another poster said earlier

[ZeusIsLoose]

@probballdraft

Cleveland and Sacramento are fielding calls from all over league about willingness to help facilitate deals.

Sacramento is also set on moving JJ Hickson before the deadline. Both Parties seem inclined to have a change of scenery

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source confirms that Sessions could be included in a deal where Cavs are 3rd team. Cleveland is aggresive in exploring trade options.

[EasternMagic]

Laker fan here, just stopping by to see what Magic fans are saying, as a Laker fan, I really don't want Dwight, and hope he stays, if he was to MAN_UP and say he wants out or wants to be on the Lakers then it might be different, but hip tip-toing around NOT wanting anyone mad at him makes him look soft and wussy!!

He is NOT doing Orlando Fans or their management by his current actions, as you really do not have anyone to trade (other than Dwight) that will bring in any top-tier talent.

So my best guess is that if he is NOT traded he signs with the Nets or Mavs and you will have a repeat of what happened to the Cav's when Lebron left, EXCEPT Dwight will be able to look the camera striaght on and say "I told them to trade me"

Your 86 year old owner is severely misguided, by not pulling the trigger on a trade, if he thinks leaving $30mil of Guranteed money on the table is the deciding factor, then he is just plain WRONG.

Anyone will Basketball knowledge knows that the guarantteed contract difference of $30 mil is for (1) LESS year.

Dwight is still young and he will certainly be able to sign ANOTHER contract (after his next one), in the First year of that NEXT contact is for say $24mil, then he will have only lost about $6mil (NOT $30mil) and if he goes to a Big Market area, he should be about to pick-up MORE THAN $6mil in endorsemnet money and over the long run could actually make MORE money.

The only way it backfires is if Dwight gets injured and can never play again or at a reduced capacity.

No one cares... go away

[ZeusIsLoose]

anyone have the per 36 on jameer and Sessions?

[The Real Dalic]

Laker fan here, just stopping by to see what Magic fans are saying, as a Laker fan, I really don't want Dwight, and hope he stays, if he was to MAN_UP and say he wants out or wants to be on the Lakers then it might be different, but hip tip-toing around NOT wanting anyone mad at him makes him look soft and wussy!!

He is NOT doing Orlando Fans or their management by his current actions, as you really do not have anyone to trade (other than Dwight) that will bring in any top-tier talent.

So my best guess is that if he is NOT traded he signs with the Nets or Mavs and you will have a repeat of what happened to the Cav's when Lebron left, EXCEPT Dwight will be able to look the camera striaght on and say "I told them to trade me"

Your 86 year old owner is severely misguided, by not pulling the trigger on a trade, if he thinks leaving $30mil of Guranteed money on the table is the deciding factor, then he is just plain WRONG.

Anyone will Basketball knowledge knows that the guarantteed contract difference of $30 mil is for (1) LESS year.

Dwight is still young and he will certainly be able to sign ANOTHER contract (after his next one), in the First year of that NEXT contact is for say $24mil, then he will have only lost about $6mil (NOT $30mil) and if he goes to a Big Market area, he should be about to pick-up MORE THAN $6mil in endorsemnet money and over the long run could actually make MORE money.

The only way it backfires is if Dwight gets injured and can never play again or at a reduced capacity.

No one cares... go away

[arkknight1988]

we are +11.1 with anderson on the court and -13.7 with him off the court for a net rating of 24.8 which is by far the highest on our team.

we are -7.8 with davis on the court and +8.8 with im off the court for a net rating of -16.6 which is the worst of of our 8 man rotation.