Markelle Fultz Updates Thread

[Rainwater]

I am losing hope in Fultz becoming a star player but he can still be a good player. The Rubio comparison someone mentioned earlier is fair. Hopefully they give him the keys next season so he can prove himself.

[AdamTheGreek]

Markelle needs to be the ball handler the vast majority of the time this series and beyond. Not deferring to Fournier. If there are times in the game he's in the backcourt with Augustin, it can't be DJ with that ball. DJ should be the one camping in the corner, not 'Kelle.
I need the coaching staff to push that because Fultz can be a little too nice and respectful of his teammates where he won't do it unless the coaches emphasize it.
But Markelle can win that Bledsoe matchup. Bledsoe still hasn't rounded into form after getting COVID-19 and Bledsoe does still have a meh playoff track record.

[pepe1991]

Skin helped me get through boring day
We went at it too many times to take it too serious so i know he doesn't mind

I definitely don't mind out trolling a troll.

Who was that all-star player that you were trying to make us think we gave up for Fultz anyways?

If you wanna troll pepe, all you have to say is

8-2

Damn you

[basketballRob]

He shoots 5/18 (27,7% ) for 3 since basketball returned. According to nba tracking, all 18 threes were wide open ( closest defender more than 6 feet away)
So shot maybe looks better, efficiency is still same.

According to scouting reports before short college season, he was never known as good outside shooter in highschool. It would be interesting to know would he be good 3 point shooter from nba range and by nba standards, if he never got TOS...

Probably 6 of them were heaves

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[swarlesbarkley]

Ultimately, I think the success of Fultz hinges on his 3 point shot coming back. Sure, he can be Rubio if it stays where it's at right now (only shoots when wide open, slow release) but I think he's not 100% confident out on the floor without that shot. You can see once he gets inside the 3 point line that he's super confident and has an array of moves to attack or shoot or pass, but outside the 3 he's still very tentative even when he's not looking to shoot.

[swarlesbarkley]

The big question is - when can he get his 3 shot back? I'm guessing he wouldn't transition to it in the middle of a season with the amount of reps he'd need to work it back. With next season looking like a short off-season (if they even have a 2020-21 season) - there's probably not enough time for him to work his old shot back...

Are we looking at 2021-22 for his 3 shot to return to form?

[SD2042]

The big question is - when can he get his 3 shot back? I'm guessing he wouldn't transition to it in the middle of a season with the amount of reps he'd need to work it back. With next season looking like a short off-season (if they even have a 2020-21 season) - there's probably not enough time for him to work his old shot back...

Are we looking at 2021-22 for his 3 shot to return to form?

That would be my guess as well. Some ppl have too many expectations that Fultz will magically make everything happen over night. It simply can't happen. I will give him another season to determine whether or not he will do the necessary things to improve his game or not. If he does, then the Magic have a PG for the future. If not, then either relegate Fultz to a bench role or send him off.

[fendilim]

I think Fultz's floor is probably higher than I anticipated it being at the start of the season. If his 3 point shooting never comes along, but he learns how to be a good NBA PG, run an offense, finish at the rim efficiently, and play good defense, then he can maybe have a Ricky Rubio like career. Which is pretty good. It does limit how good your offense can be if your lead guard can't shoot 3's, and it makes it hard to play with any other non-shooters on the court. But, it's possible for him to be a plus NBA player.

Yeah. Fultz’ % on midrange jumper has really surprised me. I’ve always thought he didnt lose the form on creating pullup midrange shots, but those percentage is what has impressed me and I had little expectations from him, tbh, though.

Hoping his 3point form can be back or at least be at a league average percentage

I can't wrap my brain around why his 3 point shot looks so different compared to his mid-range jumper. His mid-range jumper looks similar to his old 3 point jumper from college. Either the TOS is still acting up (Fultz has said he's 100% healthy, so I'll take his word for it), or it's all mental at this point. I hope Fultz is in a gym with a shooting coach all off-season working on his 3 point shot. Adding that 3 point shot is what will separate him from being good and great, and ultimately determine the ceiling of our team as its currently constructed.

I believe his kind of TOS can only be rehabbed But not really fully healed.

Thus said, I think his range of motion still affects his stroke. It seems to me his shot selection, is either within 15ft or 3pointers.

[swarlesbarkley]

Yeah. Fultz’ % on midrange jumper has really surprised me. I’ve always thought he didnt lose the form on creating pullup midrange shots, but those percentage is what has impressed me and I had little expectations from him, tbh, though.

Hoping his 3point form can be back or at least be at a league average percentage

I can't wrap my brain around why his 3 point shot looks so different compared to his mid-range jumper. His mid-range jumper looks similar to his old 3 point jumper from college. Either the TOS is still acting up (Fultz has said he's 100% healthy, so I'll take his word for it), or it's all mental at this point. I hope Fultz is in a gym with a shooting coach all off-season working on his 3 point shot. Adding that 3 point shot is what will separate him from being good and great, and ultimately determine the ceiling of our team as its currently constructed.

I believe his kind of TOS can only be rehabbed But not really fully healed.

Thus said, I think his range of motion still affects his stroke. It seems to me his shot selection, is either within 15ft or 3pointers.

I guess I have a hard time believing that WeHam would extend him ($10 mil) with no hope that his shot returns to form. Though, I guess WeHam haven't really shown me anything to believe they aren't incompetent so who knows.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I can't wrap my brain around why his 3 point shot looks so different compared to his mid-range jumper. His mid-range jumper looks similar to his old 3 point jumper from college. Either the TOS is still acting up (Fultz has said he's 100% healthy, so I'll take his word for it), or it's all mental at this point. I hope Fultz is in a gym with a shooting coach all off-season working on his 3 point shot. Adding that 3 point shot is what will separate him from being good and great, and ultimately determine the ceiling of our team as its currently constructed.

I believe his kind of TOS can only be rehabbed But not really fully healed.

Thus said, I think his range of motion still affects his stroke. It seems to me his shot selection, is either within 15ft or 3pointers.

I guess I have a hard time believing that WeHam would extend him ($10 mil) with no hope that his shot returns to form. Though, I guess WeHam haven't really shown me anything to believe they aren't incompetent so who knows.

I mean at this point they almost have to re sign the dude since they've ignored the 1/2 guard spots for 4 years. Something like 4/40 front load it and call it a day. Kelle will have 0 reasons to leave Orlando, he has 0 expectations here, our media is butter soft & will be able to continue rehab/getting better.

[thelead]

I believe his kind of TOS can only be rehabbed But not really fully healed.

Thus said, I think his range of motion still affects his stroke. It seems to me his shot selection, is either within 15ft or 3pointers.

I guess I have a hard time believing that WeHam would extend him ($10 mil) with no hope that his shot returns to form. Though, I guess WeHam haven't really shown me anything to believe they aren't incompetent so who knows.

I mean at this point they almost have to re sign the dude since they've ignored the 1/2 guard spots for 4 years. Something like 4/40 front load it and call it a day. Kelle will have 0 reasons to leave Orlando, he has 0 expectations here, our media is butter soft & will be able to continue rehab/getting better.

Agreed. That with a team friendly deal for JI and way 'should' be in a very good spot financially if we can get rid of Vuc and not resign Evan. Not sure if Weltman will have the time to wait it out but if Fultz can get back to where he was and JI can become injury free with team friendly deals, we may be able to add a star or two to pair with them moving forward.

[fendilim]

I can't wrap my brain around why his 3 point shot looks so different compared to his mid-range jumper. His mid-range jumper looks similar to his old 3 point jumper from college. Either the TOS is still acting up (Fultz has said he's 100% healthy, so I'll take his word for it), or it's all mental at this point. I hope Fultz is in a gym with a shooting coach all off-season working on his 3 point shot. Adding that 3 point shot is what will separate him from being good and great, and ultimately determine the ceiling of our team as its currently constructed.

I believe his kind of TOS can only be rehabbed But not really fully healed.

Thus said, I think his range of motion still affects his stroke. It seems to me his shot selection, is either within 15ft or 3pointers.

I guess I have a hard time believing that WeHam would extend him ($10 mil) with no hope that his shot returns to form. Though, I guess WeHam haven't really shown me anything to believe they aren't incompetent so who knows.

I dont really see why not. Fultz is still better than most of our players, let alone DJ who we are pying 9million. it is such a low risk, high reward play.

i wish management would make more risky high reward plays though,

[swarlesbarkley]

I believe his kind of TOS can only be rehabbed But not really fully healed.

Thus said, I think his range of motion still affects his stroke. It seems to me his shot selection, is either within 15ft or 3pointers.

I guess I have a hard time believing that WeHam would extend him ($10 mil) with no hope that his shot returns to form. Though, I guess WeHam haven't really shown me anything to believe they aren't incompetent so who knows.

I dont really see why not. Fultz is still better than most of our players, let alone DJ who we are pying 9million. it is such a low risk, high reward play.

i wish management would make more risky high reward plays though,

I'm not talking about his next contract - I'm talking about how they extended his rookie contract to that 5th year option last summer.

[jonbob17]

It will be interesting to see how Bucks guard Fultz, when they get to scheme for him. His weaknesses (and strengths) are going to be on display over the next week or so.

[fendilim]

I guess I have a hard time believing that WeHam would extend him ($10 mil) with no hope that his shot returns to form. Though, I guess WeHam haven't really shown me anything to believe they aren't incompetent so who knows.

I dont really see why not. Fultz is still better than most of our players, let alone DJ who we are pying 9million. it is such a low risk, high reward play.

i wish management would make more risky high reward plays though,

I'm not talking about his next contract - I'm talking about how they extended his rookie contract to that 5th year option last summer.

Yeah I know. Its such a low risk move. The extension will be tricky tho. And how much will Kelle demand

[TheGlyde]

Who was that all-star player that you were trying to make us think we gave up for Fultz anyways?

I think he was referring to the pre draft pick swap between Philly and Boston that netted the Celtics Tatum.

He said Fultz was traded for an all star, not that we traded an All-Star to get him.

Now get him

[JojoSlimbiid]

Strange situation for the Magic to be in. Even if he plays out of his mind for the rest of the playoffs. Realistically they probably should't offer him an extension until another season of play. However there are a lot of risk to doing so. What if he out performs expectations next season and the price tag increases? What if he get's salty...still out performs but chunks up the deuces and leaves? At the same time you can't give him a lot of money. Would he accept something less than what Curry got because of his ankle situation? His situation is too volatile to feel comfortable either way.

[Skin]

Strange situation for the Magic to be in. Even if he plays out of his mind for the rest of the playoffs. Realistically they probably should't offer him an extension until another season of play. However there are a lot of risk to doing so. What if he out performs expectations next season and the price tag increases? What if he get's salty...still out performs but chunks up the deuces and leaves? At the same time you can't give him a lot of money. Would he except something less than what Curry got because of his ankle situation? His situation is too volatile to feel comfortable either way.

We WANT his contract value to increase because that will mean he's getting better and better. The continued improvements have already been an answer to many Magic fans hopes. The best way forward is to offer him a fair deal or match any offers that another team would chase in RFA.

[fendilim]

Strange situation for the Magic to be in. Even if he plays out of his mind for the rest of the playoffs. Realistically they probably should't offer him an extension until another season of play. However there are a lot of risk to doing so. What if he out performs expectations next season and the price tag increases? What if he get's salty...still out performs but chunks up the deuces and leaves? At the same time you can't give him a lot of money. Would he accept something less than what Curry got because of his ankle situation? His situation is too volatile to feel comfortable either way.

well, i think it falls down to two scenarios tbh.

Big starting salary but a 2-3 year deal.

Or a longer deal at a slightly cheaper starting salary.

[swarlesbarkley]

Any updates on Fultz's rehab? What are the chances this gives his shoulder a ton of time to heal and he comes back with his old shot?