Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory

Skin · Post #1001 » by **Skin** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:06 am

Bensational wrote:Jacque Vaughn has kept that Brooklyn team more competitive than us, and they're considerably more injury depleted than we are.

Few more years of Jacque Vaughn and we probably end up with Dipo, Embiid and Porzingus.

pepe1991 · Post #1002 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:28 am

are you ready for some deer hunting?

Post #1003 » by **Bensational** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:50 am

pepe1991 wrote:are you ready for some deer hunting?

All part of the WeHam grand plan. Show Giannis the superior team he could be playing with in two seasons...

:wink:

npiper17 · Post #1004 » by **npiper17** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:40 am

Bensational wrote:Jacque Vaughn has kept that Brooklyn team more competitive than us, and they're considerably more injury depleted than we are.

I always thought the chance for the Magic to overtake the Nets for the 7th seed was overstated.
Look at Pelton’s model which I think gave the Magic a slightly less than 50% chance of doing it.

The thing the Nets did is sign vet players who have recently experienced what it’s like to be out of the league. These are still experienced players and in the bubble, all it takes is one decent or great game from each one and you have yourself a W especially against teams that are just tuning up for the playoffs e.g. the Clippers. Luwawu-Cabarrot came out of nowhere and had his career high last week and last night, Tyler Johnson showed why someone gave him a 4 year / $60m contract not that long ago.

npiper17 · Post #1005 » by **npiper17** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:43 am

Just looking through the games and it’s quite remarkable the run of good fortune the Nets have had compared to the Magic. This isn’t to say the Nets don’t deserve the 7th spot but it’s worth bearing in mind some of the circumstances:

- the Nets have faced more opponents who were playing the second day of a back-to-back than any other team.
- in the Nets game vs the Bucks, the Bucks sat out all their starters for the 4th quarter including Giannis and Middleton
- contrast the above with yesterday where the Celtics (who were already locked into the 3rd seed) played their starters over 40 mins and had them on the floor during the 4th quarter and overtime
- the Magic played the Pacers on the second day of a back-to-back which should have been advantage Magic but the Pacers chose to rest Oladipo the day before so he played on full rest vs Orlando
- the Clippers chose to rest Paul George vs the Nets last night

I realise these are all anecdotal incidences but put together, you can see why it’s been tough for the Magic to overhaul the Nets.

It’s just such a shame that this time 8 days ago, the Magic were in a good place - lying 7th, Isaac slowly coming back and showing glimpses to get fans and media alike excited. Now with Isaac and the injuries to Gordon and MCW combined with the prospect of being obliterated by the Bucks in the first round, it’s been a bad bad week.

Post #1006 » by **Bensational** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:04 pm

npiper17 wrote:Just looking through the games and it’s quite remarkable the run of good fortune the Nets have had compared to the Magic. This isn’t to say the Nets don’t deserve the 7th spot but it’s worth bearing in mind some of the circumstances:

- the Nets have faced more opponents who were playing the second day of a back-to-back than any other team.
- in the Nets game vs the Bucks, the Bucks sat out all their starters for the 4th quarter including Giannis and Middleton
- contrast the above with yesterday where the Celtics (who were already locked into the 3rd seed) played their starters over 40 mins and had them on the floor during the 4th quarter and overtime
- the Magic played the Pacers on the second day of a back-to-back which should have been advantage Magic but the Pacers chose to rest Oladipo the day before so he played on full rest vs Orlando
- the Clippers chose to rest Paul George vs the Nets last night

I realise these are all anecdotal incidences but put together, you can see why it’s been tough for the Magic to overhaul the Nets.

It’s just such a shame that this time 8 days ago, the Magic were in a good place - lying 7th, Isaac slowly coming back and showing glimpses to get fans and media alike excited. Now with Isaac and the injuries to Gordon and MCW combined with the prospect of being obliterated by the Bucks in the first round, it’s been a bad bad week.

All true, but the Nets are playing without Durant, Irving and Dinwiddie. Good fortune or not, they've still got more in the bag for next season. We don't, at this point.

j-ragg · Post #1007 » by **j-ragg** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:40 pm

Read on Twitter

Cliff either needs to get a new system or convince Weltman to get new initiators but that shouldn’t be our go to play ^^.

tiderulz · Post #1008 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:11 pm

j-ragg wrote:

Read on Twitter

Cliff either needs to get a new system or convince Weltman to get new initiators but that shouldn’t be our go to play ^^.

offensive creativity has always been an issue with Cliff. easily remedied by getting a creative offensive mind on his staff. Nick Saban used to be 3 downs and a cloud of dust, own the lines of scrimmage with 360 lb dudes. He knew he had to change, brought in Lane Kiffin of all people, to modernize the offense. Yes, the old hard-nosed defense type of things will win games, but it wont win you the title. A coach has to evolve as the game evolves. Cliff is not doing that.

jonbob17 · Post #1009 » by **jonbob17** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:54 pm

Does that chart show that Vucevic is inefficient in the post .81 PPP? I guess i am not sure how it is calculated, only possessions where he takes a shot from the post, or does it include possessions he passes from the post? It has to be the latter right, Surely Davis is better than a 45.5% shooter from the post.

Doesn't this suggest Vucevic is being used more as a floor spacer (compared to the bigs to the right), and when he is in the post a facilitator.

rcklsscognition · Post #1010 » by **rcklsscognition** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:43 pm

The PPP includes plays that he passes out of but I'm not sure it includes the value of bucket created on an assist though. His FT rate kills his production compared to others. He gets 0.9 assists per 8.2 possessions, which is 2nd behind KAT. Vuc's pass out rate is 47.6, which means he's just the dump spot for the offense.

npiper17 · Post #1011 » by **npiper17** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:03 pm

Bensational wrote:
npiper17 wrote:Just looking through the games and it’s quite remarkable the run of good fortune the Nets have had compared to the Magic. This isn’t to say the Nets don’t deserve the 7th spot but it’s worth bearing in mind some of the circumstances:

- the Nets have faced more opponents who were playing the second day of a back-to-back than any other team.
- in the Nets game vs the Bucks, the Bucks sat out all their starters for the 4th quarter including Giannis and Middleton
- contrast the above with yesterday where the Celtics (who were already locked into the 3rd seed) played their starters over 40 mins and had them on the floor during the 4th quarter and overtime
- the Magic played the Pacers on the second day of a back-to-back which should have been advantage Magic but the Pacers chose to rest Oladipo the day before so he played on full rest vs Orlando
- the Clippers chose to rest Paul George vs the Nets last night

I realise these are all anecdotal incidences but put together, you can see why it’s been tough for the Magic to overhaul the Nets.

It’s just such a shame that this time 8 days ago, the Magic were in a good place - lying 7th, Isaac slowly coming back and showing glimpses to get fans and media alike excited. Now with Isaac and the injuries to Gordon and MCW combined with the prospect of being obliterated by the Bucks in the first round, it’s been a bad bad week.

All true, but the Nets are playing without Durant, Irving and Dinwiddie. Good fortune or not, they've still got more in the bag for next season. We don't, at this point.

True and also why we might end up missing the playoffs and with a higher draft pick not through choice with the Wizards bringing back Wall and Beal, Atlanta having Capela for a whole season and the Magic missing Isaac for a season.

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #1012 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:16 pm

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Be lucky to score 70 tomorrow

MagicFan101 · Post #1013 » by **MagicFan101** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:22 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:

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?s=21

Be lucky to score 70 tomorrow

Is 70 your prediction for Orlando or combined between the two clubs?

The Nets aren’t doing so great themselves.

Post #1014 » by **Knightro** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:13 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:

Read on Twitter
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Be lucky to score 70 tomorrow

I'll bet you the Magic score over 100.

cedric76 · Post #1015 » by **cedric76** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:29 pm

This is why i wanted to end this season, restarting after a long break like that does /will lead to plenty injuries

This is what happen when you value money over common sense

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #1016 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:52 pm

Knightro wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

Be lucky to score 70 tomorrow

I'll bet you the Magic score over 100.

No Fournier AG or TRoss. I don’t see how that’s possible unless Vuc n Fultz score combined 60.

cedric76 · Post #1017 » by **cedric76** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:18 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
Knightro wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

Be lucky to score 70 tomorrow

I'll bet you the Magic score over 100.

No Fournier AG or TRoss. I don’t see how that’s possible unless Vuc n Fultz score combined 60.

Nba players can score, they just need minutes

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #1018 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:32 pm

cedric76 wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
Knightro wrote:
I'll bet you the Magic score over 100.

No Fournier AG or TRoss. I don’t see how that’s possible unless Vuc n Fultz score combined 60.

Nba players can score, they just need minutes

If it only was that easy

rcklsscognition · Post #1019 » by **rcklsscognition** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:56 pm

Watching that Fultz video on ESPN got me really hyped for hesi moves. I guess he does them so often you become numb to them. Didn't know that was his thing in college and how he got his shots off. Hopefully the kid finds his groove there again.

basketballRob · Post #1020 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:03 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:No Fournier AG or TRoss. I don’t see how that’s possible unless Vuc n Fultz score combined 60.

Nba players can score, they just need minutes

If it only was that easy

We're averaging over 120 ppg without Fournier. It appears that he hurts our offense.

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