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2023 NBA Draft Thread 4

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Post#1001 » by bigdogdylan5 » Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:49 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:Game theory podcast mock draft that would send fans to go get their pitchforks:

6th pick (Adam Spinella) Anthony Black
11th pick (Sam Vecine) Bilal Coulibaly

Just relaying info from the podcast that raised my eyebrows I do not endorse this at all.
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Post#1002 » by Petre1978 » Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:50 pm

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basketballRob wrote:KOC has us taking Black and Lively. Black could end up getting picked by Houston.

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I honestly see us taking Lively at 11, we lack a backup C bigtime and what better spot then to draft one and let him play backup minutes. If Whitmore is on the board and we pass I'll be a little miffed but will let it go as long as it's not Dick at 6.

Dick would be a great fit with Wagner and Banchero.

Dick and Lively is a good draft for me.
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Post#1003 » by jonbob17 » Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:56 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:
Help me out, is Brook Lopez a rim protector for being such an amazing defender?


Yes? He's gotta be about the best drop defending big out there...
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Post#1004 » by tiderulz » Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:59 pm

MagicMatic wrote:The only reason I can see this FO selecting Lively at #11 is due to not wanting to worry about the minutes issues of selecting 2 guards will bring.

That and the idea that they could quite possibly select Gradey Dick at #6. I’m not saying whether or not that’s something I would want necessarily, but I could see it happening.

If they take Lively at #11 they believe he is good enough to move on from Wendell. Nobody should be taking a Center that high unless you absolutely believe they are a capable starter.

so take a combo forward. Paolo and Franz will have to rest on the bench at some point during the game. Or thy get into foul trouble. my ideal draft would be a SG and then a combo forward.
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Post#1005 » by JoshuaPotter » Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:00 pm

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bigdogdylan5 wrote:Game theory podcast mock draft that would send fans to go get their pitchforks:

6th pick (Adam Spinella) Anthony Black
11th pick (Sam Vecine) Bilal Coulibaly

Just relaying info from the podcast that raised my eyebrows I do not endorse this at all.


I responded to your post. I just had legitimate questions on why they feel that our management feels that that would be the best move.
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Post#1006 » by bigdogdylan5 » Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:03 pm

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bigdogdylan5 wrote:Game theory podcast mock draft that would send fans to go get their pitchforks:

6th pick (Adam Spinella) Anthony Black
11th pick (Sam Vecine) Bilal Coulibaly



So....

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I dont understand the skyrocketing hype of Bilal. This has Dante Exum vibes just like the Thompson twins. Which imho we have more data on then Bilal.

Black I can see as a developed high floor with a risky high ceiling guy who doesn't fit in now but has some interesting intangibles. Intangibles that similarly gave Paulo a rookie of the year award. (Won't happen I see Wemby already got it.)

The skyrocketing hype in the media is recency bias so just because we are really just learning about him doesn’t mean he hasn’t been on national scouts radar for years. Like I am sorry teams have all the access to all his playing data in international competition so that shouldn’t be an issue. The media is always the last to catch on with these international prospects and they always rise late. Doesn’t mean teams haven’t been on them for years. There has been really good and really bad late riser international prospects so interesting you picked a random one as that is what he is. Like pick him apart from a basketball perspective not because he is a “late riser” in the media.
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Post#1007 » by VFX » Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:05 pm

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MagicMatic wrote:The only reason I can see this FO selecting Lively at #11 is due to not wanting to worry about the minutes issues of selecting 2 guards will bring.

That and the idea that they could quite possibly select Gradey Dick at #6. I’m not saying whether or not that’s something I would want necessarily, but I could see it happening.

If they take Lively at #11 they believe he is good enough to move on from Wendell. Nobody should be taking a Center that high unless you absolutely believe they are a capable starter.

so take a combo forward. Paolo and Franz will have to rest on the bench at some point during the game. Or thy get into foul trouble. my ideal draft would be a SG and then a combo forward.


I've said since the beginning that should be the likeliest outcome. Then again, I didn't expect Bamba or Okeke to be selections either.
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Post#1008 » by Skin » Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:45 pm

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tiderulz wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:The only reason I can see this FO selecting Lively at #11 is due to not wanting to worry about the minutes issues of selecting 2 guards will bring.

That and the idea that they could quite possibly select Gradey Dick at #6. I’m not saying whether or not that’s something I would want necessarily, but I could see it happening.

If they take Lively at #11 they believe he is good enough to move on from Wendell. Nobody should be taking a Center that high unless you absolutely believe they are a capable starter.

so take a combo forward. Paolo and Franz will have to rest on the bench at some point during the game. Or thy get into foul trouble. my ideal draft would be a SG and then a combo forward.


I've said since the beginning that should be the likeliest outcome. Then again, I didn't expect Bamba or Okeke to be selections either.

Paolo and Franz will need rest but it doesn't have to come from a single combo SF/PF type via the draft. It could be from multiple players. This is most likely the case. Isaac, Bol, Okeke are already those types anyways.

If we are addressing depth behind Paolo/Franz then FA is the route. The draft should be used to take shots at finding a star. We will naturally fail enough times where they end up as depth players. See Suggs, Anthony, Okeke, Bamba, Isaac.
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Post#1009 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:45 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:The only reason I can see this FO selecting Lively at #11 is due to not wanting to worry about the minutes issues of selecting 2 guards will bring.

That and the idea that they could quite possibly select Gradey Dick at #6. I’m not saying whether or not that’s something I would want necessarily, but I could see it happening.

If they take Lively at #11 they believe he is good enough to move on from Wendell. Nobody should be taking a Center that high unless you absolutely believe they are a capable starter.

so take a combo forward. Paolo and Franz will have to rest on the bench at some point during the game. Or thy get into foul trouble. my ideal draft would be a SG and then a combo forward.


I've said since the beginning that should be the likeliest outcome. Then again, I didn't expect Bamba or Okeke to be selections either.

Both head-scratching picks that didn't work out. One due to injuries and really not worthy of being taken at 16 and Bamba's is due to lack of care and being the smallest big man.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Post#1010 » by tiderulz » Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:01 pm

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MagicMatic wrote:
tiderulz wrote:so take a combo forward. Paolo and Franz will have to rest on the bench at some point during the game. Or thy get into foul trouble. my ideal draft would be a SG and then a combo forward.


I've said since the beginning that should be the likeliest outcome. Then again, I didn't expect Bamba or Okeke to be selections either.

Paolo and Franz will need rest but it doesn't have to come from a single combo SF/PF type via the draft. It could be from multiple players. This is most likely the case. Isaac, Bol, Okeke are already those types anyways.

If we are addressing depth behind Paolo/Franz then FA is the route. The draft should be used to take shots at finding a star. We will naturally fail enough times where they end up as depth players. See Suggs, Anthony, Okeke, Bamba, Isaac.

while I agree, ISaac is always hurt, Okeke just isnt good and Bol needs major development.
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Post#1011 » by Petre1978 » Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:20 pm



Magic get Ausar Thompson and Gradey Dick
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Post#1012 » by Petre1978 » Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:56 pm

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Post#1013 » by Rick Rolled » Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:07 pm

Ausar Thompson has canceled his workout with the Pacers.

They pick 7th. Hmm.

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Post#1014 » by basketballRob » Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:32 pm

Rick Rolled wrote:Ausar Thompson has canceled his workout with the Pacers.

They pick 7th. Hmm.

Read on Twitter
He was in Portland yesterday.

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Post#1015 » by Rick Rolled » Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:39 pm

basketballRob wrote:
Rick Rolled wrote:Ausar Thompson has canceled his workout with the Pacers.

They pick 7th. Hmm.

Read on Twitter
He was in Portland yesterday.

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Could make things extremely interesting if he gets a top 5 promise.
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Post#1016 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:39 pm

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Rick Rolled wrote:Ausar Thompson has canceled his workout with the Pacers.

They pick 7th. Hmm.

Read on Twitter
He was in Portland yesterday.

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Probably found his ceiling at 6 if he’s there so why workout past that.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Post#1017 » by basketballRob » Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:42 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
Rick Rolled wrote:Ausar Thompson has canceled his workout with the Pacers.

They pick 7th. Hmm.

Read on Twitter
He was in Portland yesterday.

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Probably found his ceiling at 6 if he’s there so why workout past that.
Portland could trade the 3 for 6 and 11 and take them both.

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Post#1018 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:44 pm

basketballRob wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
basketballRob wrote:He was in Portland yesterday.

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Probably found his ceiling at 6 if he’s there so why workout past that.
Portland could trade the 3 for 6 and 11 and take them both.

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Don’t think it’s Portland but who knows, that’s where the draft starts 1/2 are done.
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Post#1019 » by The-Stallion70 » Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:45 pm

Hoop Intellect just posted their latest mock 2 hours ago and they have us taking Ausar and Gradey.
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Post#1020 » by bigdogdylan5 » Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:18 pm

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locomagicfan wrote:I pray we draft Bilal Coulibaly with either #6 or #11.
Does anybody watch his film and see a young T-mac with 7'3ft wingspan? This fits the WeHam pick philosophy and I'm all for it.

Man that hype train is real..

Man yes I agree if you’re taking him based on the hype train this last couple weeks that’s dumb as ****. Like stupid dumb, like thinking Jeremy Lin is some super star because of NY stretch. But this guy from a profile perspective is what this front office looks for and if you have had your eye on him for years just go for it. We should treat the media as dumb. This always happens where this international guys, they comes on late in the mock drafts. See Giddy and Senguin here recently. **** see Luka who had no business going third. That was just dumb and this isn’t Monday morning QBing I thought he was the best at the time. These international guys seem to always be undervalued and I think if it’s him vs Ausar I feel much better with him.
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