Magic(22-12) @ Hawks(19-14)

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Dwight's defense is fine for the most part, his FT shooting is the only serious drop this season.

We aren't deep because the guys we bring off the bench with the exception of JJ are trash. Quentin Richardson sucks, Chris Duhon sucks, Glen Davis sucks (though he is playing better, I'll give him that). I'd like to see Ish and Liggins get some burn, but until they do and prove their worths as NBA players you really can't consider them good depth. Our roster is poorly built by Otis, we're lucky to have Dwight and a coach who gets so much from his players defensively or we'd be terrible. 3rd in the East is really suprising to me.

But that's just it, we have 6 players that we don't play and we'll never know what they can do because they play so sparingly. I mean we have youth, Orton, Harper, Liggins, Smith, Clark, von Wafer and yet we decide to continue with Duhon and Q. I don't get it. We know Duhon won't do anything, so why not play Liggins and Smith, what would it hurt? if Duhon isn't producing, what would it hurt if we play those two? And same for Q, at times he steps up and other times, I'm not sure where he's at, so what would it hurt if we allowed Liggins, Smith, Clark, Harper and Wafer to take his minutes? We'll never know what these guys can truly do because we don't let them play.

All I want is to see everyone get a fair chance to play on this team.

[The Real Dalic]

Dwight's defense is fine for the most part, his FT shooting is the only serious drop this season.

We aren't deep because the guys we bring off the bench with the exception of JJ are trash. Quentin Richardson sucks, Chris Duhon sucks, Glen Davis sucks (though he is playing better, I'll give him that). I'd like to see Ish and Liggins get some burn, but until they do and prove their worths as NBA players you really can't consider them good depth. Our roster is poorly built by Otis, we're lucky to have Dwight and a coach who gets so much from his players defensively or we'd be terrible. 3rd in the East is really suprising to me.

But that's just it, we have 6 players that we don't play and we'll never know what they can do because they play so sparingly. I mean we have youth, Orton, Harper, Liggins, Smith, Clark, von Wafer and yet we decide to continue with Duhon and Q. I don't get it. We know Duhon won't do anything, so why not play Liggins and Smith, what would it hurt? if Duhon isn't producing, what would it hurt if we play those two? And same for Q, at times he steps up and other times, I'm not sure where he's at, so what would it hurt if we allowed Liggins, Smith, Clark, Harper and Wafer to take his minutes? We'll never know what these guys can truly do because we don't let them play.

All I want is to see everyone get a fair chance to play on this team.

This!!!
+infinity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[magicman123]

Good point above. We are basically playing an 8-man rotation. That's ridiculous.

I don't agree with this, I usually see atleast 9 man rotation night in and night out. Our starters don't even get that many minutes like most starters do. I honestly think we go to our bench more than needed, but hey, with the lockout and the schedules being so packed, I don't blame Stan at all. The players off the bench are the ones I have a problem with. haha all I want is a lil Ish Smith. little less Duhon

i have a problem with how long he sits players, how can you expect players to get in a rhythm when they play to the 3minute mark in the first, and return with 5min left in the 2nd..also i dont like the bench unit when its duhon-jj-q-davis-anderson..and i dont like duhon, did i mention duhon?

[Jamaicankid21]

I would also like to know how come every time we win it was Dwight and Stan. and, every time we lose it's cause we're not good enough...... I'll give you Dwight because.... well, he's Dwight. but, Stan is NOT Dwight so.....

Stan has 0 victory sweater vest.. It's more like every time we win its "Mr 4th Quarter Hedo! Big time Shot! Good Game Dwight I knew you didn't quit, Anderson nice shooting! JJ!" We lose it's more "Why didn't Stan play Wafer?? Why did Hedo have the ball in the 4th quarter? Thanks Jameer... Earl Clark should have played more, Dwight quit." Whenever we lose there are always the posters that want to call out Stan, and us Magic fans defend him.

[mhectorgato]

All I want is to see everyone get a fair chance to play on this team.

All I want is a coach who is out to win, and not try to placate the fans because they want the player who came mid-season from the D-League to get a "fair" chance.

"Fair chances" are for the peewee/rec leagues. Professional sports are all about winning.

Stan is going with the player that he's had practice time with and confidence in. If Ish had SVG's confidence, then he'd be getting more time.

Where it not for the strike, perhaps things would be different - we'd have preseason and more between game practices.

[The Real Dalic]

I would also like to know how come every time we win it was Dwight and Stan. and, every time we lose it's cause we're not good enough...... I'll give you Dwight because.... well, he's Dwight. but, Stan is NOT Dwight so.....

Stan has 0 victory sweater vest.. It's more like every time we win its "Mr 4th Quarter Hedo! Big time Shot! Good Game Dwight I knew you didn't quit, Anderson nice shooting! JJ!" We lose it's more "Why didn't Stan play Wafer?? Why did Hedo have the ball in the 4th quarter? Thanks Jameer... Earl Clark should have played more, Dwight quit." Whenever we lose there are always the posters that want to call out Stan, and us Magic fans defend him.

Whoa whoa whoa. are you saying I'm not a Magic fan???? cause you have no idea who I am...

[rcklsscognition]

Good point above. We are basically playing an 8-man rotation. That's ridiculous.

I don't agree with this, I usually see atleast 9 man rotation night in and night out. Our starters don't even get that many minutes like most starters do. I honestly think we go to our bench more than needed, but hey, with the lockout and the schedules being so packed, I don't blame Stan at all. The players off the bench are the ones I have a problem with. haha all I want is a lil Ish Smith. little less Duhon

I'll give you 9, I forgot Nelson was out tonight. I think we should be running 12 till about a 5 games prior to the playoffs. Then cut it to 10.

[The Real Dalic]

All I want is to see everyone get a fair chance to play on this team.

All I want is a coach who is out to win, and not try to placate the fans because they want the player who came mid-season from the D-League to get a "fair" chance.

"Fair chances" are for the peewee/rec leagues. Professional sports are all about winning.

Stan is going with the player that he's had practice time with and confidence in. If Ish had SVG's confidence, then he'd be getting more time.

Where it not for the strike, perhaps things would be different - we'd have preseason and more between game practices.

Duhon gives us a better chance to win because he's practiced more???? I really, truly, could not disagree more.

[mhectorgato]

All I want is to see everyone get a fair chance to play on this team.

All I want is a coach who is out to win, and not try to placate the fans because they want the player who came mid-season from the D-League to get a "fair" chance.

"Fair chances" are for the peewee/rec leagues. Professional sports are all about winning.

Stan is going with the player that he's had practice time with and confidence in. If Ish had SVG's confidence, then he'd be getting more time.

Where it not for the strike, perhaps things would be different - we'd have preseason and more between game practices.

Duhon gives us a better chance to win because he's practiced more???? I really, truly, could not disagree more.

I'm saying that's what SVG thinks -- it's not just practiced more, but has a lot more actual game time; and not just D-League time.

[rcklsscognition]

I'm saying that's what SVG thinks -- it's not just practiced more, but has a lot more actual game time; and not just D-League time.

I agree with you that's what Stan is thinking but just because he thinks it doesn't make it right in any way. In fact, it's completely wrong. All he needs to do is put Ish into the backup role and utilize the AS break practices with the 2nd squad they have scheduled, then each week post AS game, the team is scheduled to have 1 full practice. He'll be fine for the playoffs.

[The Real Dalic]

All I want is a coach who is out to win, and not try to placate the fans because they want the player who came mid-season from the D-League to get a "fair" chance.

"Fair chances" are for the peewee/rec leagues. Professional sports are all about winning.

Stan is going with the player that he's had practice time with and confidence in. If Ish had SVG's confidence, then he'd be getting more time.

Where it not for the strike, perhaps things would be different - we'd have preseason and more between game practices.

Duhon gives us a better chance to win because he's practiced more???? I really, truly, could not disagree more.

I'm saying that's what SVG thinks -- it's not just practiced more, but has a lot more actual game time; and not just D-League time.

K well, still disagree with him.

[The Real Dalic]

I'm saying that's what SVG thinks -- it's not just practiced more, but has a lot more actual game time; and not just D-League time.

I agree with you that's what Stan is thinking but just because he thinks it doesn't make it right in any way. In fact, it's completely wrong. All he needs to do is put Ish into the backup role and utilize the AS break practices with the 2nd squad they have scheduled, then each week post AS game, the team is scheduled to have 1 full practice. He'll be fine for the playoffs.

This.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

All I want is to see everyone get a fair chance to play on this team.

All I want is a coach who is out to win, and not try to placate the fans because they want the player who came mid-season from the D-League to get a "fair" chance.

"Fair chances" are for the peewee/rec leagues. Professional sports are all about winning.

Stan is going with the player that he's had practice time with and confidence in. If Ish had SVG's confidence, then he'd be getting more time.

Where it not for the strike, perhaps things would be different - we'd have preseason and more between game practices.

But that's just it, whose to say that you WON'T win with the players that you have stuck on the bench? And all you're doing is replacing those players on the bench with two other players (Duhon and Q) who aren't producing.

And we had this exact mentality last year, we played the players of which we thought would give us the best chance at winning and then we lost in the first round. I'm so over that thinking. Giving someone a chance and an opportunity is what we need right now, not more of the same.

[OrlandO]

Looks like there was some yelling going on in the locker room after the loss... http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/o ... 8168.story

[rcklsscognition]

K well, still disagree with him.

Colin Cowherd has been on a weekly tirade against "fair chances" and says they are ridiculous. People that are bit time players are that way because when their turn came they were ready and brought it. He brought up a different story each day of the week but it basically spawned from the whole Linsanity thing. Lin got his opportunity and he nailed it. D'Antoni basically put Lin in as the starter after one game off the bench where he played 36 minutes. Lin before that game averaged 2.5MPG and 3PPG with a ton of DNPCD. Then he blew up in one game. I'm not even calling for Ish to replace our starter, who he could probably come in and at least challenge for mediocrity. I just want him in instead of Duhon. As in the Chris Duhon who started 7 games this season and averages 22MPG and has averages of 3.6PPG, 2.7AST, and 1.8REB. This isn't about fair chances. This is about Stan being blind! Ish comes in when he gets his opportunity and out performs Duhon every time.

[The Real Dalic]

All I want is to see everyone get a fair chance to play on this team.

All I want is a coach who is out to win, and not try to placate the fans because they want the player who came mid-season from the D-League to get a "fair" chance.

"Fair chances" are for the peewee/rec leagues. Professional sports are all about winning.

Stan is going with the player that he's had practice time with and confidence in. If Ish had SVG's confidence, then he'd be getting more time.

Where it not for the strike, perhaps things would be different - we'd have preseason and more between game practices.

But that's just it, whose to say that you WON'T win with the players that you have stuck on the bench? And all you're doing is replacing those players on the bench with two other players (Duhon and Q) who aren't producing.

And we had this exact mentality last year, we played the players of which we thought would give us the best chance at winning and then we lost in the first round. I'm so over that thinking. Giving someone a chance and an opportunity is what we need right now, not more of the same.

Again, This!!!
+infinity!!!!

[Chris1]

Anyone remember when the Magic went 0-3 in the regular season against the Pistons in '09?

Remember, that season when the Pistons started to become the broken down team it is now, and eventually got swept badly the Cavaliers, the same team that the Magic beat in the ECF.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Looks like there was some yelling going on in the locker room after the loss... http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/o ... 8168.story

That's awesome. They should be pissed off at each other. And they should hold each other accountable. At least this team has more guts to get into each other's face than last year. Although, the screaming might be a little much. I think this team needs a break from each other.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Anyone remember when the Magic went 0-3 in the regular season against the Pistons in '09?

Remember, that season when the Pistons started to become the broken down team it is now, and eventually got swept badly the Cavaliers, the same team that the Magic beat in the ECF.

What's the connection?

[Chris1]

Anyone remember when the Magic went 0-3 in the regular season against the Pistons in '09?

Remember, that season when the Pistons started to become the broken down team it is now, and eventually got swept badly the Cavaliers, the same team that the Magic beat in the ECF.

What's the connection?

The Magic struggle for some reason against teams like the Pistons, Celtics, and now Hawks, no matter how broken down they are.