Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXIV: Offseason Edition)

[Darth Magic]

maybe we could SnT Ryan for KG

[The Real Dalic]

I think Dave Tztaviekaskiks is calling the shots for now. Maybe we had to waive him until a certain date to his contract does not become guaranteed.

BTW, we have Liggins at 2 and i think he will be our backup 2. (Jrich or JJ will be gone, IMO).

+1 we don't lack scorers I like liggit better anyway.

We have scorers? I only see 3pt shooters.

[eyriq]

In basketball, the term field goal refers to a basket scored on any shot or tap other than a free throw, worth two or three points depending on the distance of the attempt from the basket. "Field Goal" is the official terminology used by the National Basketball Association (NBA) in their rule book, their box scores and statistics, and in referees' rulings

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We have scorers? I only see 3pt shooters.

[The Real Dalic]

In basketball, the term field goal refers to a basket scored on any shot or tap other than a free throw, worth two or three points depending on the distance of the attempt from the basket. "Field Goal" is the official terminology used by the National Basketball Association (NBA) in their rule book, their box scores and statistics, and in referees' rulings

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We have scorers? I only see 3pt shooters.

A team that consistently scores 60 points is not a team that doesn't lack scorers. Even though the lockout didn't help us with some of those ugly games.

[rcklsscognition]

We do not have scorers in the sense that NBA fans use the term. There is no one on our team that can create their own offense with the exception of JJ at times.

[j_n]

maybe we could SnT Ryan for KG

Both averaging 16/8 but sure, lets trade for the one who's 12 years older and played 13 more season.

[eyriq]

Do you play NBA video games? My running hypothesis is that the anti-Anderson/anti-advanced stats crowd is highly informed by their video game experience. I can think of no other reason for Ellis hype and Anderson hate (just to make a quaint example of what is a much broader trend), or the complete disregard for the offensive players that we already have on roster.

We do not have scorers in the sense that NBA fans use the term. There is no one on our team that can create their own offense with the exception of JJ at times.

[MoMM]

maybe we could SnT Ryan for KG

Both averaging 16/8 but sure, lets trade for the one who's 12 years older and played 13 more season.

I dont think we will keep Ryan, because he will demand a lot of money, thats why i proposed it.

A frontcourt with D12 and KG would be the best one in the NBA. Both play great D (All-Defense teams). Now imagine D12 requiring double teams and letting KG free? He would get a lot of easy basket and KG is an excelent passer too.

KG could play a similar whole as Duncan, but the only difference is that he would still have David Robinson along with him (D12). Nelson could be a poor mans Parker, and now we just need a scorer and smart player like Manu at wings.

[WeAreVenom]

Do you play NBA video games? My running hypothesis is that the anti-Anderson/anti-advanced stats crowd is highly informed by their video game experience. I can think of no other reason for Ellis hype and Anderson hate (just to make a quaint example of what is a much broader trend), or the complete disregard for the offensive players that we already have on roster.

We do not have scorers in the sense that NBA fans use the term. There is no one on our team that can create their own offense with the exception of JJ at times.

Well, the anti-Anderson crowd is probably informed by his constant playoff disappearing acts. He's just way too easy to shut down, considering all you have to do is stick to him. I know you like him, and I do too, but he is as one-dimensional as they come.

And the anti-advanced stats crowd is probably pulled from the "Number DO lie" mantra. As in, Kevin Love having a higher PER than Dwight Howard. Or Rondo not even being in the top 50 in PER, or Kenneth Faried and Greg Monroe, and Al Jefferson all having higher PER than Dirk Nowitzki.

[cb1115]

Jeff Bower looks like Eggman.

[CourtsideTV]

i'd trade ryan anderson for kenneth faried straight up if it was possible

[eyriq]

I get the eye test but PER is by no means the end all be all of advanced stats but part of the picture. You get a deeper and more predictive picture of a player's contribution by using a cocktail of advanced stats, just look at the teams investing millions and hiring stat gurus as part of the Money Ball NBA revolution. Even basic stats such as Anderson leading the league in threes and putting up 16-8 are excused for some qualitative reason or another, such as a reference to his style or his storied playoff exposure. "Lack a cross over? Get outta here!"

Well, the anti-Anderson crowd is probably informed by his constant playoff disappearing acts. He's just way too easy to shut down, considering all you have to do is stick to him. I know you like him, and I do too, but he is as one-dimensional as they come.

And the anti-advanced stats crowd is probably pulled from the "Number DO lie" mantra. As in, Kevin Love having a higher PER than Dwight Howard. Or Rondo not even being in the top 50 in PER, or Kenneth Faried and Greg Monroe, and Al Jefferson all having higher PER than Dirk Nowitzki.

[rcklsscognition]

Do you play NBA video games? My running hypothesis is that the anti-Anderson/anti-advanced stats crowd is highly informed by their video game experience. I can think of no other reason for Ellis hype and Anderson hate (just to make a quaint example of what is a much broader trend), or the complete disregard for the offensive players that we already have on roster.

We do not have scorers in the sense that NBA fans use the term. There is no one on our team that can create their own offense with the exception of JJ at times.

I have a long history of documenting my video game experiences with our team here on the board (69 points online with Wafer, 48/13/10 with Ish, 56 points with Ryno, off the top of my head) but do not use that for realistic arguments. I am certainly not anti-advanced stats, in fact, I used to use them all the time before I started posting on my tablet and couldn't use multiple browser windows like I used to.

I don't think Ellis is 'the' answer, he was a 'solution' last year to what was our obvious lack of a go-to-scorer. I don't think Ryan is the answer to us winning a championship. Any player that can be negated by simply telling the opposing player to guard or front is not going to be a difference maker. The logic is that if that happens (the opposing PF fronts Ryan and denies on the 3pt line) that Dwight will be on 1-on-1 down in the post and will make them pay. That simply doesn't happen. Dwight isn't that guy. Not even sure if any center is that guy, that position shouldn't be relied on in such a way the Magic use it. Not in this day and age of NBA basketball.

I don't think you can win without a dynamic offensive player. Someone that when option A is taken away from them, goes to B, and at least C. To me, Dwight has A & B, Ryan has A, and between the two of them, Jameer and JJ muster up A & B. Ryan has no B, the closest he gets to a second offensive option is offensive rebound putbacks. Sure, Ryan is a 4th option on the team, at best he'll be the 3rd option. But at this time, he doesn't get the ball unless he's open for a 3 or is putting up an offensive rebound putback (other than when they run the play through him at the top of the 3pt line where he hands it off to the ball handler).

I'm not sure if there are many here that would say if we had Howard, Wade, and Ryan they'd trade Ryan for a traditional PF. I think many, including myself are saying, if we can't get a dynamic scorer and keep Ryan on the team, we need to move Ryan in order to acquire a scorer. Perfect world we pick up a money 2 guard and have Ryan signed l/t.

[MoMM]

MagicalNBA ‏@MagicalNBA
I'll be surprised if Jameer, JJ or RA return.

Ouch!!!

[WeAreVenom]

MagicalNBA ‏@MagicalNBA
I'll be surprised if Jameer, JJ or RA return.

Ouch!!!

Well, damn!

[ChildishGambino]

We waived wafer so we can sign j.Crawford

dafuq outta here with that lol

[eyriq]

You purposefully held back Ryno's scoring so that Wafer would hold the higher point total, didn't you?!!!

Seriously though, great post. I can see where you are coming from, and I probably only disagree about Dwight's offense in the post which from there we see the offensive design needing to go in slightly different directions. BUT I really like how you qualify different offensive options within a players skill-set, which allows the "Ryan is one-dimensional" comment to make more sense. I'm guessing that option A is a FGA off the catch, B a FGA off the dribble, and C an assist? Each option would then have contained levels of difficulty, allowing for effectiveness to vary from player to player, option to option. I like it!

I have a long history of documenting my video game experiences with our team here on the board (69 points online with Wafer, 48/13/10 with Ish, 56 points with Ryno, off the top of my head) but do not use that for realistic arguments. I am certainly not anti-advanced stats, in fact, I used to use them all the time before I started posting on my tablet and couldn't use multiple browser windows like I used to.

I don't think Ellis is 'the' answer, he was a 'solution' last year to what was our obvious lack of a go-to-scorer. I don't think Ryan is the answer to us winning a championship. Any player that can be negated by simply telling the opposing player to guard or front is not going to be a difference maker. The logic is that if that happens (the opposing PF fronts Ryan and denies on the 3pt line) that Dwight will be on 1-on-1 down in the post and will make them pay. That simply doesn't happen. Dwight isn't that guy. Not even sure if any center is that guy, that position shouldn't be relied on in such a way the Magic use it. Not in this day and age of NBA basketball.

I don't think you can win without a dynamic offensive player. Someone that when option A is taken away from them, goes to B, and at least C. To me, Dwight has A & B, Ryan has A, and between the two of them, Jameer and JJ muster up A & B. Ryan has no B, the closest he gets to a second offensive option is offensive rebound putbacks. Sure, Ryan is a 4th option on the team, at best he'll be the 3rd option. But at this time, he doesn't get the ball unless he's open for a 3 or is putting up an offensive rebound putback (other than when they run the play through him at the top of the 3pt line where he hands it off to the ball handler).

I'm not sure if there are many here that would say if we had Howard, Wade, and Ryan they'd trade Ryan for a traditional PF. I think many, including myself are saying, if we can't get a dynamic scorer and keep Ryan on the team, we need to move Ryan in order to acquire a scorer. Perfect world we pick up a money 2 guard and have Ryan signed l/t.

[The Real Dalic]

Do you play NBA video games? My running hypothesis is that the anti-Anderson/anti-advanced stats crowd is highly informed by their video game experience. I can think of no other reason for Ellis hype and Anderson hate (just to make a quaint example of what is a much broader trend), or the complete disregard for the offensive players that we already have on roster.

We do not have scorers in the sense that NBA fans use the term. There is no one on our team that can create their own offense with the exception of JJ at times.

I have a long history of documenting my video game experiences with our team here on the board (69 points online with Wafer, 48/13/10 with Ish, 56 points with Ryno, off the top of my head) but do not use that for realistic arguments. I am certainly not anti-advanced stats, in fact, I used to use them all the time before I started posting on my tablet and couldn't use multiple browser windows like I used to.

I don't think Ellis is 'the' answer, he was a 'solution' last year to what was our obvious lack of a go-to-scorer. I don't think Ryan is the answer to us winning a championship. Any player that can be negated by simply telling the opposing player to guard or front is not going to be a difference maker. The logic is that if that happens (the opposing PF fronts Ryan and denies on the 3pt line) that Dwight will be on 1-on-1 down in the post and will make them pay. That simply doesn't happen. Dwight isn't that guy. Not even sure if any center is that guy, that position shouldn't be relied on in such a way the Magic use it. Not in this day and age of NBA basketball.

I don't think you can win without a dynamic offensive player. Someone that when option A is taken away from them, goes to B, and at least C. To me, Dwight has A & B, Ryan has A, and between the two of them, Jameer and JJ muster up A & B. Ryan has no B, the closest he gets to a second offensive option is offensive rebound putbacks. Sure, Ryan is a 4th option on the team, at best he'll be the 3rd option. But at this time, he doesn't get the ball unless he's open for a 3 or is putting up an offensive rebound putback (other than when they run the play through him at the top of the 3pt line where he hands it off to the ball handler).

I'm not sure if there are many here that would say if we had Howard, Wade, and Ryan they'd trade Ryan for a traditional PF. I think many, including myself are saying, if we can't get a dynamic scorer and keep Ryan on the team, we need to move Ryan in order to acquire a scorer. Perfect world we pick up a money 2 guard and have Ryan signed l/t.

I agree with Eyriq, I like this post! Great post!

[mhectorgato]

I get the eye test but PER is by no means the end all be all of advanced stats but part of the picture. You get a deeper and more predictive picture of a player's contribution by using a cocktail of advanced stats, just look at the teams investing millions and hiring stat gurus as part of the Money Ball NBA revolution. Even basic stats such as Anderson leading the league in threes and putting up 16-8 are excused for some qualitative reason or another, such as a reference to his style or his storied playoff exposure. "Lack a cross over? Get outta here!"

E - in the playoffs, if Ryan was passed the ball and was covered, what did he typically do? Regular season stats are good and all, but in a playoff series adjustments are made that don't happen on the 2nd half of a back-to-back.

Many like him, just not as a highly ranked offensive option. Some don't like him as they don't like the stretch-4 system.

There's a lot of potential there, but many don't want to pay him the money that a player that could create his own offense would get.

[arkknight1988]

man i would love kg here next season. would give us 4 big men that play defense: dwight/kg/davis/clark. davis could come off the bench and play huge minutes backing up the older kg and moving to center when dwight needs a rest.