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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1021 » by Nyce_1 » Thu Jun 7, 2012 12:42 pm

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thelead wrote:Looking at all the young faces on that team, I wish we had a great core of young players and not overpaid and under motivated vets.

I know, I'm so damn jealous.

They are what we could've been had we been smarter.

I wonder, some of you may attack me for this but, if we had cleared enough cap in 2010, I wonder if Lebron would've came here?

Instant dynasty, imo.


It's not about free agency. It's the draft. The Thunder were horrible, they drafted Durant #2 overall. They stayed horrible, they drafted Westbrook @ 4 & Ibaka @ 24 the year after. Still bad, Harden at pick 3 the year after.

For us, we sort of got too good too fast. The summer we drafted Dwight, we also added Jameer and Hedo. We went from #1 pick to #11. Imagine if we still had a top 5 pick like the Thunder. That's the year Deron Williams and Chris Paul. And then if we still were bad like the Thunder? Andrea Bargnani, Lamarcus Aldridge, Brandon Roy.

Now of course you have to avoid the busts (Morrison, Martel Webster, Marvin Williams) when picking that high. But we just got too good too fast and it put us out of position to build properly. And that made us go to quick fixes, overspending, using max MLE's, LLE's, always over the cap, trading draft picks, etc... I always thought Otis wasn't bad at drafting quality players, but we never had high picks again after Dwight.

And it's also about letting them grow together. We had a ton of young talent at some point. We had Dwight, Jameer, Darko, Ariza, and then add a not so old Hedo. I thought that was a solid core to build on. And as I was researching, I forgot we drafted Varejao the same year as Dwight. I don't understand why we traded him. I remember people going on about him being a big steal getting him as late as we did.

Part of me was excited when it seemed Dwight was definitely gone. Because then we could build properly. But the decisions were made and there's no huge splash we can make in the draft anymore while Dwight is here. The only way I see that happening is if Jameer opts out, we stick with Duhon, we tank. Get high pick next year, Dwight resigns (which I don't see him doing in that scenario...), we get maybe a Josh Smith, and another max FA possibly.

this is a great post and my thoughts exactly as I went to bed last night. Instead of building with vets after we drafted Dwight, we could've stayed a crappy team to get another high lotto pick, possibly DWill or CP3. that combo would've had us great in no time and for a long time with cap to help grow. Everything is hindsight, but OKC has layed out the blueprint to build through the draft. You just have to get lucky and pick the right players.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1022 » by thelead » Thu Jun 7, 2012 1:23 pm

^ and that's why I always say that if we're going to rebuild that we should just trade Dwight for future picks, tank, and start drafting talent instead of buying it.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1023 » by Nyce_1 » Thu Jun 7, 2012 1:36 pm

thelead wrote:^ and that's why I always say that if we're going to rebuild that we should just trade Dwight for future picks, tank, and start drafting talent instead of buying it.

I hear ya. to go that route, we need to have a GM with an EXCELLENT eye/system for drafting stud players.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1024 » by cb1115 » Thu Jun 7, 2012 1:50 pm

Shaun Powell ‏@Powell2daPeople
Hornets will entertain offers for 10th pick if someone also agrees to take Ariza or Okafor contracts.

JJ and the 19th pick for Ariza and the 10th pick. DISCUSS.
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Post#1025 » by NEM » Thu Jun 7, 2012 1:57 pm

Done. Or maybe they wasn't meer for pg? either way I'd do it...then take rivers or p.jones if he is there

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1026 » by Nyce_1 » Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:00 pm

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Shaun Powell ‏@Powell2daPeople
Hornets will entertain offers for 10th pick if someone also agrees to take Ariza or Okafor contracts.

JJ and the 19th pick for Ariza and the 10th pick. DISCUSS.

take on Ariza/Okafor/#10 and flip Okafor + one of 2 picks (#10 or #19) for Ellis, Iggy, Josh, or hell, see if Brooklyn would do a S&T offer for DWill.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1027 » by PeePee la Fritz » Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:08 pm

cb1115 wrote:
Shaun Powell ‏@Powell2daPeople
Hornets will entertain offers for 10th pick if someone also agrees to take Ariza or Okafor contracts.

JJ and the 19th pick for Ariza and the 10th pick. DISCUSS.



I would do that trade all day!!!!! That nets Orlando a starting athletic small forward and Kendal Marshall! :pray:
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1028 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:24 pm

cb1115 wrote:
Shaun Powell ‏@Powell2daPeople
Hornets will entertain offers for 10th pick if someone also agrees to take Ariza or Okafor contracts.

JJ and the 19th pick for Ariza and the 10th pick. DISCUSS.

Yes. /discussion.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1029 » by fendilim » Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:29 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
cb1115 wrote:
Shaun Powell ‏@Powell2daPeople
Hornets will entertain offers for 10th pick if someone also agrees to take Ariza or Okafor contracts.

JJ and the 19th pick for Ariza and the 10th pick. DISCUSS.

Yes. /discussion.

Would rather trade Jameer and pick Rivers. Rivers-JJ-Ariza-Ryan-D12

Has shooters, defender, 2 players that can create.
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Post#1030 » by ChildishGambino » Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:33 pm

Draft combine on right now....if you need a link state you email and i'll hit you up
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1031 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:37 pm

I would never say trade Dwight so this team can rebuild. In that case scenario, this team has a much greater chance of being the Warriors or Clippers for the next 20 years than ever being a contender ever again. That is just crazy talk. If this does happen like you supposedly wish, I bet 2-3 years down the road people here will be whining about "why did we trade Dwight" when the Magic miss the playoffs year after year after year.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1032 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:39 pm

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Has shooters, defender, 2 players that can create.

Rivers isn't a pg imo. If people this.k jameer looks for his own shot first wait until you see rivers playing the point. Our issue is not having a playmaker on the wings, rivers don't resolve that issue just adds yet another player that needs to score to be effective.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1033 » by ADRajX » Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:51 pm

Wow, this one-on-one drill from the wing... yeesh... these players need to work on their dribble moves and drives
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1034 » by ADRajX » Thu Jun 7, 2012 2:56 pm

Wroten is garbage at shooting mid-range and 3s... wow... I absolutely hate his sideways follow-thru shot... I was watching brick city

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1035 » by T-Cat » Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:03 pm

DJRajX wrote:Wroten is garbage at shooting mid-range and 3s... wow... I absolutely hate his sideways follow-thru shot... I was watching brick city

DO NOT WANT... missed literally 20 straight shots from that corner... never made it to the wing or key to shoot


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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1036 » by ADRajX » Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:04 pm

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DJRajX wrote:Wroten is garbage at shooting mid-range and 3s... wow... I absolutely hate his sideways follow-thru shot... I was watching brick city

DO NOT WANT... missed literally 20 straight shots from that corner... never made it to the wing or key to shoot


Good thing we have Mark Price! Future allstar :wink:

Very true :lol: ... his shot looks fixable... I hope
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1037 » by pogiro » Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:07 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:I would never say trade Dwight so this team can rebuild. In that case scenario, this team has a much greater chance of being the Warriors or Clippers for the next 20 years than ever being a contender ever again. That is just crazy talk. If this does happen like you supposedly wish, I bet 2-3 years down the road people here will be whining about "why did we trade Dwight" when the Magic miss the playoffs year after year after year.


Don't think anyone is saying trade Dwight so we can rebuild. People are saying if we have to rebuild, trade Dwight.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1038 » by rcklsscognition » Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:13 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
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Shaun Powell ‏@Powell2daPeople
Hornets will entertain offers for 10th pick if someone also agrees to take Ariza or Okafor contracts.

JJ and the 19th pick for Ariza and the 10th pick. DISCUSS.

Yes. /discussion.


Bower have enough connections in NO for this to work? I'd do this for Ariza, he's only got 1 year and then a player option and is on a high but reasonable salary.

I think at 10, you probably end up with Marshall, Perry Jones III, or Rivers. At 19, Jones, Miller, Taylor, Harkless?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1039 » by OrlandO » Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:16 pm

pogiro wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:I would never say trade Dwight so this team can rebuild. In that case scenario, this team has a much greater chance of being the Warriors or Clippers for the next 20 years than ever being a contender ever again. That is just crazy talk. If this does happen like you supposedly wish, I bet 2-3 years down the road people here will be whining about "why did we trade Dwight" when the Magic miss the playoffs year after year after year.


Don't think anyone is saying trade Dwight so we can rebuild. People are saying if we have to rebuild, trade Dwight.

No, people have lost all hope, they're ready to completely rebuild before Dwight' even has a chance to reject the extension in July viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1185555
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#1040 » by rcklsscognition » Thu Jun 7, 2012 3:17 pm

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Nyce_1 wrote:Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't we have had Ellis if we elected to take on Jackson too? I don't remember the rumored 3-team trade.


Well, on this board, we could have theoretically had them, but the majority didn't want them, especially not SJax. :roll:

Considering the way Jackson was behaving in Milwaukee, any team taking him on was running the risk of getting a pouty, un-motivated player.


We weren't. He said he wanted to play in Orlando. No risk.

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