Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 I: Big decisions on the horizon

[Bensational]

If we traded Moz + #16 for JR, and could convince Phoenix or Atlanta to take DJ off us, we could clear enough space to offer D'Lo a max, keep Vuc and Fournier.

Vuc/Bamba
Gordon
Isaac/Iwundu
Fournier/Frazier
D'Lo/Fultz

That way we get the best of all worlds - injection of a go to scorer who's young and fits our young core, keep the veteran presence of Vuc, and keep Fournier with the hope he bounces back big with a new season and new PG.

[MasterGMer]

I agree with Fournier trade. So we can clear more salary. BTW we have to trade Fournier this offseason or before next trade deadline anyway. Why? Because next year is his final year on contract if he declines his player option. So Fournier + 16 for JR works for me

[Bensational]

There's also the chance the Nets prefer to try and move Dinwiddie + Harris for more cap space so they can sign 2 max AND keep D'Lo. Would they do that? That's a big 3 vs depth.

If so, Dinwiddie would be amazing value if we can clear enough cap space to absorb his contract. Harris would be useful, too. We'd all prefer Levert, but I doubt they move him.

[MasterGMer]

There's also the chance the Nets prefer to try and move Dinwiddie + Harris for more cap space so they can sign 2 max AND keep D'Lo. Would they do that? That's a big 3 vs depth.

If so, Dinwiddie would be amazing value if we can clear enough cap space to absorb his contract. Harris would be useful, too. We'd all prefer Levert, but I doubt they move him.

Nets will never let go of Dinwiddie, he is one of their young core.

[MagicFan101]

There's also the chance the Nets prefer to try and move Dinwiddie + Harris for more cap space so they can sign 2 max AND keep D'Lo. Would they do that? That's a big 3 vs depth.

If so, Dinwiddie would be amazing value if we can clear enough cap space to absorb his contract. Harris would be useful, too. We'd all prefer Levert, but I doubt they move him.

Nets will never let go of Dinwiddie, he is one of their young core.

Dinwiddie might have the best (non rookie scale) team contract in the league.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Really Really hope this FO is really looking at DLo and coming up with scenarios like we are and not just sitting back.

[Nyce_1]

All this DLo smoke....Brogdon the real target.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

All this DLo smoke....Brogdon the real target.

Hope not. Brogdon is good but he also gets to play with giannis and benefit from that a ton.

[MAC1987]

All this DLo smoke....Brogdon the real target.

Hope not. Brogdon is good but he also gets to play with giannis and benefit from that a ton.

He is a good shooter and deceptive at driving to the hoop. If any team gets him they are lucky. He hits open 3s and in the NBA you can get guys open.

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[ezzzp]

Would do that in a heartbeat. Waive JR whose cap hit would only be 3.8M.

If that's route, I would try to trade Fournier + 16 for JR instead, then stretch Mozgov...that allows Magic to offer Russell max + also keep one of Vucevic or Ross

I've been told the non-guaranteed contracts kick in and become guaranteed if traded. Is JRs structured differently?

Yea, here is good explanation:

Smith’s deal was signed in 2016, under the old Collective Bargaining Agreement. That was before the CBA changed the rules regarding how partially guaranteed contracts are handled in trades, especially when it comes to salary-matching purposes. Even though the CBA has changed, Smith’s contract was grandfathered in, which allows the Cavs to take back a high-priced salary (more than $15 million) while the other team is only on the hook for $3.8 million. Other deals signed after 2016 would only work for the guaranteed amount on the contract when it comes to matching salaries -- not nearly as appealing in trades.

https://expo.cleveland.com/sports/g66l-2019/04/2147d90a3d8845/why-is-jr-smiths-contract-the-cleveland-cavaliers-secret-weapon-this-offseason-hey-chris.html

[ezzzp]

If we traded Moz + #16 for JR, and could convince Phoenix or Atlanta to take DJ off us, we could clear enough space to offer D'Lo a max, keep Vuc and Fournier.

Vuc/Bamba
Gordon
Isaac/Iwundu
Fournier/Frazier
D'Lo/Fultz

That way we get the best of all worlds - injection of a go to scorer who's young and fits our young core, keep the veteran presence of Vuc, and keep Fournier with the hope he bounces back big with a new season and new PG.

We could only offer Russell $22.66m in that scenario, so he'd have to agree to less. It also leaves Magic with 7 roster spots and only the Room Exception ($4.6m) and minimum contract exceptions to fill 6 spots.

That roster count is a problem we would also run into with the Fournier/Mozgov scenario, except with 8 spots filled and 5 spots to fill.

[Bensational]

If we traded Moz + #16 for JR, and could convince Phoenix or Atlanta to take DJ off us, we could clear enough space to offer D'Lo a max, keep Vuc and Fournier.

Vuc/Bamba
Gordon
Isaac/Iwundu
Fournier/Frazier
D'Lo/Fultz

That way we get the best of all worlds - injection of a go to scorer who's young and fits our young core, keep the veteran presence of Vuc, and keep Fournier with the hope he bounces back big with a new season and new PG.

We could only offer Russell $22.66m in that scenario, so he'd have to agree to less. It also leaves Magic with 7 roster spots and only the Room Exception ($4.6m) and minimum contract exceptions to fill 6 spots.

That roster count is a problem we would also run into with the Fournier/Mozgov scenario, except with 8 spots filled and 5 spots to fill.

Ahhhh. Thanks for the clarification. I suppose the only way is to move Fournier then.

[ezzzp]

All this DLo smoke....Brogdon the real target.

Hope not. Brogdon is good but he also gets to play with giannis and benefit from that a ton.

He is a good shooter and deceptive at driving to the hoop. If any team gets him they are lucky. He hits open 3s and in the NBA you can get guys open.

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Russell is more of a primary scorer type, Brogdon is most effective off-ball, so how the FO sees Fultz has some impact on who between the two they'd prioritized as Brogdon would be less expensive option:

• Driving

Brogdon: 649 drives / 323 FGA at .533 FG% / 66 FTA / 7.4 AST%
Russell: 973 drives / 514 FGA at .508 FG% / 70 FTA / 9.0 AST%

Spoiler:

Augustin: 805 drives / 260 FGA at .492 FG% / 53 FTA / 13.7 AST%
Fournier: 706 drives / 311 FGA at .476 FG% / 64 FTA / 11.9 AST%
Gordon: 466 drives / 205 FGA at .429 FG% / 82 FTA / 10.3 AST%
Ross: 169 drives / 95 FGA at .432 FG% / 7 FTA / 10.7 AST%

• Pull Up Shooting

Russell: 794 FGA at .487 eFG% / 361 3PA at .349 3P%
Brogdon: 119 FGA at .361 eFG% / 60 3PA at .267 3P%

Spoiler:

Augustin: 243 FGA at .537 eFG% / 157 3PA at .389 3P%
Ross: 394 FGA at .485 eFG% / 172 3PA at .384 3P%
Fournier: 351 FGA at .425 eFG% / 139 3PA at .288 3P%
Gordon: 265 FGA at .419 eFG% / 93 3PA at .323 3P%

• Catch and Shoot

Brogdon: 184 FGA at .712 eFG% / 181 3PA at .475 3P%
Russell: 275 FGA at .582 eFG% / 264 3PA at .394 3P%

Spoiler:

Augustin: 148 FGA at .659 eFG% / 146 3PA at .445 3P%
Ross: 493 FGA at .565 eFG% / 381 3PA at 386 3P%
Fournier: 326 FGA at .540 eFG% / 294 3PA at .367 3P%
Gordon: 288 FGA at .514 eFG% / 241 3PA at .365 3P%

[rcklsscognition]

Nets with the deal people here expected Orlando to do. Move a SG with a large contract (Fournier vs Crabbe) and the 1st rounder (16th vs 17th) for cap space.

It just proves we are not insane. Deals like we cook up happen all the time elsewhere but not Orlando.

[KillMonger]

people getting their hopes up about D-lo of all people....okay

[VFX]

No way the nets plan on keeping Irving, DLo, Dinwiddie, and Lavert. They are extremely thin at pf/c and not enough minutes to go around in the guard rotation.

It would be great to get DLO, but I’m not getting my hopes up. Don’t know how Wolves can offer anything, but Indiana and Utah have both have better back court pairings.

[Nyce_1]

Nets with the deal people here expected Orlando to do. Move a SG with a large contract (Fournier vs Crabbe) and the 1st rounder (16th vs 17th) for cap space.

It just proves we are not insane. Deals like we cook up happen all the time elsewhere but not Orlando.

Nets moved 2 picks

[ezzzp]

Nets with the deal people here expected Orlando to do. Move a SG with a large contract (Fournier vs Crabbe) and the 1st rounder (16th vs 17th) for cap space.

It just proves we are not insane. Deals like we cook up happen all the time elsewhere but not Orlando.

Nets are in NYC - cap space in the top market in North America is totally different than cap space in Orlando. Just salary dumping assets for sake of cap space isn’t a smart strategy for small markets...especially if team isn’t established play off roster. Rob Hennigan learned that harsh lesson.

There has to be a very specific situation lined up in FA with a lot of indicators that point to a player being determined to play in Orlando.

[pepe1991]

Not all teams are equal on open market.

Nets open up cap space to sign Irving , Durant, Kemba, Klay....

Magic if they open cap space will sign who? Maxing out Brogdon and overpaying Deandre Jordan? outside shot at Jimmy Butler?

By Forbes in 2018 Nets were 6th most valuable team in nba, after comming off 28 wins season, behind Lakers, Knicks,Warriors, Bulls and Celtics , who, btw hold 85% of all rings in NBA history.

They are Brooklyn, not New Jersey Nets. Their market value is huge, that's attractive to players.

[basketballRob]

Nets with the deal people here expected Orlando to do. Move a SG with a large contract (Fournier vs Crabbe) and the 1st rounder (16th vs 17th) for cap space.

It just proves we are not insane. Deals like we cook up happen all the time elsewhere but not Orlando.

Nets moved 2 picks

I like Prince.

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