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Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1041 » by Bensational » Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:54 am

WillyJakkz wrote:When I see Gordon, I see he has very very good/ great DEF instincts in how he positions his body etc to stay ahead or keep up with his man, OFF I don't quite see the hand and foot coordination in unison and creatively to be able to be an effective threat on that end, I see him as a finisher, a guy who if he can develop a shot can be good at the open 3 (possibly if he develops that range) but he will more often than not need someone to create his offense for him to be maximized to the best of his ability.


You know, I can agree that Gordon's handles can look a bit clunky at times, but I have a feeling he might be one of those guys that despite how awkward he looks, he still pulls it off. a bit like Shawn Marion's jumpshot. he's got good spatial awareness of his body and confidence in his handles, and a solid IQ. he uses jump stops well and has an eye for where the defense is, so i see no reason why he can't package those together to find himself good shots. apart from his high flying dunks, i think he'll start using a lot of close range step back jumpers. get himself in the paint, then hop back to create space whilst he gets off a high % shot. he tried several of those in SL and missed, but i think that's a shot he gets down eventually.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1042 » by ezzzp » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:03 am

fklt wrote: Oladipo|Fournier|Gordon|Frye|Vucevic is a much more plausible line-up.


I like that line up...but I doubt Gordon starts right away - he'll get lots of minutes but he's definitely going to have to earn that starter slot and Harris is going to be really motivated (contract year, fighting for minutes at SF and PF etc.)....I agree Harkless could be looking at serious reduction in mpg...
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1043 » by KillMonger » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:32 am

At 18 i wouldn't be surprised if Gordon grew another inch or two, what do you guys think he'll fill out to? 235-240? Gordon is going to be very intriguing going forward, especially if he grows another inch or two. 6"10 SF/PF with guard like ball-handling/passing/court vision and high defensive potential who will probably be able to fill up the stat sheet, he can be a high per guy imo. If he can put it all together then he'll be one of only a few that can do what he does, A two-way all around player. He'll be able to give you Rebounds/Points/Assists/Steals/blocks all at a decent level. To me he's already won half the battle in becoming a creator because of his passing and ball-handling ability all he needs now is the shot making. Once he does that he's ready for take off
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1044 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:55 am

I seriously doubt Gordon gets major minutes this season with Harris, Hark, Nicholson and Frye at the Forward spots. This will be more of a developmental season for him. It is next year that I expect to see him on the court more. He is more of a project at this stage on this team. Totally different than Payton and Oladipo who both came in more NBA ready.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1045 » by WillyJakkz » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:57 am

tooler wrote:Thanks WillyJakkz. I think you'll find people are a lot less frustrated with you if you can articulate where you're coming from like that, even if they disagree or think it's premature.

You mentioned our guys on offense and defense but didn't mention what you thought of Exum on the defensive end. Don't worry, if you need more time before you make a decision, we understand. :)


Np, sometimes on my phone or tablet (depending) it's hard to focus my thoughts completely etc from the limitations of the keyboard or other distractions and was hoping the premise of my posts would be understood by most instead of a slight few.

Exum defensively honestly he looks to be just there, like he D's guys up, hand in the face etc but it's a fake hustle to me, like guys can just go around him if they really try so he has alot to learn on that end so Payton definitely has him there though in fairness to Exum he didn't really matchup with PG's too often with Burke on the floor with him.

That's no excuse though because with his height/ length he should be able to D up SG's, it's just a matter of him wanting to.

The one thing I noticed that I didn't care for with Exum was when he didn't get the ball when he felt he should've gotten it, his body language showed he had an issue with it.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1046 » by Nyce_1 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:14 am

Does anyone remember Ibaka's offensive game when he first came into the league? Guy was strictly a finisher; no range whatsoever. I think AG has the work ethic to at least be as reliable a shooter as Serge.

I have ZERO doubts that he'll improve that aspect of his game. It may not be year 1 or 2, but before his rookie contract is up, he'll be there.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1047 » by Mannchild » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:42 am

Im confused, i just tweeted Channing Frye asking what number he was going to wear with us and he responded that he would be wearing number 8... isn't that Marble's number?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1048 » by OrlDave » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:49 am

I'm curious, knowing what we know now and assuming that Gordon was gone at 5 as rumored, who would have been our 2nd pick if we took Exum? You can choose anyone picked 10 or later in this scenario. I'm just wondering what our team would look like in the alternative reality.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1049 » by OrlDave » Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:50 am

Mannchild wrote:Im confused, i just tweeted Channing Frye asking what number he was going to wear with us and he responded that he would be wearing number 8... isn't that Marble's number?


Marble's a 2nd round pick and rookie, he'll give Frye the number.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1050 » by Mannchild » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:00 am

OrlDave wrote:
Mannchild wrote:Im confused, i just tweeted Channing Frye asking what number he was going to wear with us and he responded that he would be wearing number 8... isn't that Marble's number?


Marble's a 2nd round pick and rookie, he'll give Frye the number.


Frye is already proving to be a bad character guy who is destroying our team chemistry!
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1051 » by OrlDave » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:12 am

Mannchild wrote:
OrlDave wrote:
Mannchild wrote:Im confused, i just tweeted Channing Frye asking what number he was going to wear with us and he responded that he would be wearing number 8... isn't that Marble's number?


Marble's a 2nd round pick and rookie, he'll give Frye the number.


Frye is already proving to be a bad character guy who is destroying our team chemistry!


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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1052 » by OrlandO » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:14 am

Mannchild wrote:
OrlDave wrote:
Mannchild wrote:Im confused, i just tweeted Channing Frye asking what number he was going to wear with us and he responded that he would be wearing number 8... isn't that Marble's number?


Marble's a 2nd round pick and rookie, he'll give Frye the number.


Frye is already proving to be a bad character guy who is destroying our team chemistry!

Ben Gordon won't give up #8 without a fight!

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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1053 » by Smooth_E » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:47 am

I'm using this post as an opportunity to admit how upset I am that the Bucks have Jabari Parker and we don't. Hurts to see him on another team. I really wanted him here in Orlando.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1054 » by doct3r dr3 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:54 am

OrlandO wrote:
Mannchild wrote:
OrlDave wrote:
Marble's a 2nd round pick and rookie, he'll give Frye the number.


Frye is already proving to be a bad character guy who is destroying our team chemistry!

Ben Gordon won't give up #8 without a fight!

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All this would have been resolved years ago if we had just retired the number...


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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1055 » by Bensational » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:54 am

OrlDave wrote:I'm curious, knowing what we know now and assuming that Gordon was gone at 5 as rumored, who would have been our 2nd pick if we took Exum? You can choose anyone picked 10 or later in this scenario. I'm just wondering what our team would look like in the alternative reality.


Stuck with Payton. Exum is great, and will be ball dominant, but Payton's passing is on another level that'll work with more than just big men. i see no reason why they couldn't co-exist the way Rondo did with Pierce and Allen - apart from the fact that Exum isn't a shooter like them.

or, considered Saric or trading up for Vonleh, if it could be done.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1056 » by Mannchild » Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:57 am

Smooth_E wrote:I'm using this post as an opportunity to admit how upset I am that the Bucks have Jabari Parker and we don't. Hurts to see him on another team. I really wanted him here in Orlando.


Really? he looks about 20-30 lbs overweight to me and isn't impressing me that much. He doesnt look like a scrub but he doesn't look like a future star to me... Id say he looks like a slightly worse version of Odem to me. In the Vegas summer league i have been impressed with Wiggins (his quickness and moves, not so much his shooting), and Exum (dat quickness). Vonleh also looks like he needs about 2 years but with some work can be a really good starter.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1057 » by Orlwillbeback » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:00 am

Smooth_E wrote:I'm using this post as an opportunity to admit how upset I am that the Bucks have Jabari Parker and we don't. Hurts to see him on another team. I really wanted him here in Orlando.

this is an odd time to say this because was ass tonight.

Giannis looked better.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1058 » by Blue_and_Whte » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:03 am

Anyone watching Lavine play? Dude is thin but he attacks the basket. Think he can play pg but the jr smith comps are pretty good, hopefully without being a headcase.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1059 » by OrlDave » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:23 am

Bensational wrote:
OrlDave wrote:I'm curious, knowing what we know now and assuming that Gordon was gone at 5 as rumored, who would have been our 2nd pick if we took Exum? You can choose anyone picked 10 or later in this scenario. I'm just wondering what our team would look like in the alternative reality.


Stuck with Payton. Exum is great, and will be ball dominant, but Payton's passing is on another level that'll work with more than just big men. i see no reason why they couldn't co-exist the way Rondo did with Pierce and Allen - apart from the fact that Exum isn't a shooter like them.

or, considered Saric or trading up for Vonleh, if it could be done.


Thanks for the answer. Yeah I think trading up for Vonleh would be the best scenario, but obviously we don't know how much Charlotte coveted Vonleh, might have been too cost prohibitive. We might have been able to get the pick before the draft, but we couldn't have known if Vonleh would be there, esp since he was trending in the 5-7 range near draft time.

Payton Exum Dipo seems like a problem to me. I mean, does that put Exum at SF? Then we are undersized at every position except PG with Payton. If Saric came over right away he would be the obvious choice though.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread Part 1 (Summer League 2014) 

Post#1060 » by fendilim » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:26 am

I like Aaron Gordon as a player but I think this decision to draft him will remain a big question, whether it was the right decision or not, until he finishes his rookie contract. Especially when guys like Exum, Smart, Randle are already showing they can play at this level, .


Anyway, my biggest concern here is we did not draft by BPA. Did we really have to draft the next Shawn Marion when we could have a chance to have landed the next Manu Ginobili? Exum has shown he is leap and bounds ahead of Gordon at this stage of their career. Exum's skillset is far more superior for his position as opposed to Gordon's skillset at his position. Right now, Gordon is still a tweener and just an athlete, but no way is he the player Exum is right now.

Regardless, I am a supporter of this team, but it doesn't mean I have to support every damn move this team has made.

Also, telling posters who wanted Exum over Gordon to go follow the Jazz instead or another team is bull. All of you anti-tankers should be following another team than whine on how we tank. Whats the point of discussing? lol

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All the questions about Exum playing against a non-competitive level of competition isnt great or whatever has proven most of YOU marcus smart supporters wrong.
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