Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15

[MaKiaVeLi7]

We should be rapt with him so far. Yeah he has some warts, but he is leading the rookies in scoring, his court vision and passing is getting better everyday. He was Pick 15 remember. Has put the floater away and has become way more efficient . His shooting stroke is legit.

Bro, he is averaging 3,2 assist a game as starter. Shelvin Mack did 3,5

Pepe's arguments are starting to disappear quickly. After striking out on most of his words, predictions, expectations and delusions regarding Cole's play, he is now resolving to mention assists numbers of a rookie PG that was never professionally prepared for an upcoming NBA season, and we all know was forced to start for a bad team after Kelle going down.

Anthony is not able to rack up assists because of a number of reasons. First, the team is bad at shooting, not good at all even when wide open shots are available, compared to the league.

Second, Cliff is trying hard to ruin Cole's rhythm - how many times did he sub him out exactly when Cole started hitting shots or breaking down defenses?

Third, as mentioned before he did not have an equal opportunity to prepare for the pandemic season and his unexpected starting duties.

Fourth, after Markelle's injury, we already saw a number of experiments by the coaching staff and none of them involved Cole becoming the primary ballhandler or decision-maker. AG is playing some kind of an ugly point-forward experiment, these last few games after the French croissant return, we see him ignoring all players but Vuc and dominating the ball in the second halves in a terrible, really unwatchable and horrible manner.

Not worried. Cole's average assists numbers will go up as the season progresses, as Pepe's arguments will continue to diminish and go down dooown dooown.

[SOUL]

I've said it since I joined, but point guard defense is probably the most overrated defense there is. Unless you're a Smart/MCW/Murray bigger guard, your job is to literally play hard and not completely die on picks. It's so hard to play defense now because of the rules and offenses are way more dynamic because 1 or 2 screens and passing completely negates any sort of guard pressure.

Cole's not even a "bad" defender in the sense that he's killing us out there. The only guard with a lick of defensive skills on this team is MCW and he is a complete mess on offense. Advanced and on/off stuff shows some of our other players have WORSE defensive ratings with him off the floor. He's not a stopper but he battles and contests drives. He, like every rookie and young player will have lapses, and his size is a detriment on that end, but I've already seen him make 6 or 7 plays at the rim where he is contesting and they miss a shot, or he gets a block, or it's a tie up for a jump ball.

So it's very nitpicky to complain about the defense. His biggest negative on the floor early on was his efficiency which was absolutely hampering the team, and now we've seen him pick his spots better and connect on the open shots he was missing before.

[MaKiaVeLi7]

Pepe, come on! Make us laugh again. Indulge us with your stats-based negative spin on something positive shown by Cole. Please entertain us once more!

I see your arguments getting weaker and weaker by the day. I am not even sure you watch the real games, Pepe. I doubt it as I have expressed my doubts before you ever played the game or was near it in any professional capacity. You are clueless about what happens around a team and you won't ever find it in the empty stats you are so in love with.

I guess you don't watch most of the games, maybe take a look at 1 min game highlights or scroll around the stat lines and right back to stats sites and empty measurements and nonsensical modern-day "advanced" analytics.

[basketballRob]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_advanced.html

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[pepe1991]

Pepe, come on! Make us laugh again. Indulge us with your stats-based negative spin on something positive shown by Cole. Please entertain us once more!

I see your arguments getting weaker and weaker by the day. I am not even sure you watch the real games, Pepe. I doubt it as I have expressed my doubts before you ever played the game or was near it in any professional capacity. You are clueless about what happens around a team and you won't ever find it in the empty stats you are so in love with.

I guess you don't watch most of the games, maybe take a look at 1 min game highlights or scroll around the stat lines and right back to stats sites and empty measurements and nonsensical modern-day "advanced" analytics.

Soo, i see you skipped therapy again.
It takes special type of personality to only post anything once every 3 weeks when player you like plays well, and go back to hiding in between games, just to "adress haters"after 1 or 2 good games.

Cole looked like nba player against 180 cm ( at most) Devonte Graham, shees, didn't see that comming

Anthony stat line 18 games into a season
11ppg
3,3 apg
36,9% FG
33,9% for 3
46,7% TS

tell me more how amazing he is based on 2 games sample size you cherrypicked and waited for 18 games to come back from hidings?

Go ahead, keep making monkey of yourself, talking about " not playing at pro level" , sorry Bodiroga/Diamantidis, i didn't notice it was you, tell us more about your proffesional basketball career... ofc i probably overvalued you, since you probably don't even know who they were.

[JBSouthpaw]

Pepe, come on! Make us laugh again. Indulge us with your stats-based negative spin on something positive shown by Cole. Please entertain us once more!

I see your arguments getting weaker and weaker by the day. I am not even sure you watch the real games, Pepe. I doubt it as I have expressed my doubts before you ever played the game or was near it in any professional capacity. You are clueless about what happens around a team and you won't ever find it in the empty stats you are so in love with.

I guess you don't watch most of the games, maybe take a look at 1 min game highlights or scroll around the stat lines and right back to stats sites and empty measurements and nonsensical modern-day "advanced" analytics.

Soo, i see you skipped therapy again.
It takes special type of personality to only post anything once every 3 weeks when player you like plays well, and go back to hiding in between games, just to "adress haters"after 1 or 2 good games.

Cole looked like nba player against 180 cm ( at most) Devonte Graham, shees, didn't see that comming

Anthony stat line 18 games into a season
11ppg
3,3 apg
36,9% FG
33,9% for 3
46,7% TS

tell me more how amazing he is based on 2 games sample size you cherrypicked and waited for 18 games to come back from hidings?

Go ahead, keep making monkey of yourself, talking about " not playing at pro level" , sorry Bodiroga/Diamantidis, i didn't notice it was you, tell us more about your proffesional basketball career... ofc i probably overvalued you, since you probably don't even know who they were.

It's not 1 or 2 games. Look at his last 6.
In those, he is over 60% from 3. and over 40% from the field.
Granted, he isn't keeping the 3s that high, but if he starts finishing better in traffic, his overall fg% will go up.

[pepe1991]

Pepe, come on! Make us laugh again. Indulge us with your stats-based negative spin on something positive shown by Cole. Please entertain us once more!

I see your arguments getting weaker and weaker by the day. I am not even sure you watch the real games, Pepe. I doubt it as I have expressed my doubts before you ever played the game or was near it in any professional capacity. You are clueless about what happens around a team and you won't ever find it in the empty stats you are so in love with.

I guess you don't watch most of the games, maybe take a look at 1 min game highlights or scroll around the stat lines and right back to stats sites and empty measurements and nonsensical modern-day "advanced" analytics.

Soo, i see you skipped therapy again.
It takes special type of personality to only post anything once every 3 weeks when player you like plays well, and go back to hiding in between games, just to "adress haters"after 1 or 2 good games.

Cole looked like nba player against 180 cm ( at most) Devonte Graham, shees, didn't see that comming

Anthony stat line 18 games into a season
11ppg
3,3 apg
36,9% FG
33,9% for 3
46,7% TS

tell me more how amazing he is based on 2 games sample size you cherrypicked and waited for 18 games to come back from hidings?

Go ahead, keep making monkey of yourself, talking about " not playing at pro level" , sorry Bodiroga/Diamantidis, i didn't notice it was you, tell us more about your proffesional basketball career... ofc i probably overvalued you, since you probably don't even know who they were.

It's not 1 or 2 games. Look at his last 6.
In those, he is over 60% from 3. and over 40% from the field.
Granted, he isn't keeping the 3s that high, but if he starts finishing better in traffic, his overall fg% will go up.

When you start to cherrypick numbers you get cluster*** of data that means something but also means nothing.
This is last 6 games scorerboard, you would think we have 3 allstars. Vuc 27 ppg 11 rpg 4 apg
Evan 22,5ppg, 6apg
Gordon 14-10-8



Than you figure they lost 4 of 6 games, offense is just clicking better and we, for first time in our history, made more than 11 threes in 3 games straight.

Problem is also who we played: Hornets twice ( not playoff team), Knicks ( not playoff team), T wolves ( the worst nba team), Indiana ( as injuried as us, inflating stats even more due OT ), and Brooklyn ( no Irving, first Harden's game , still lost ).

HOWEVER, if i did 10 instad of 6 games split, when Magic played Bucks ,Celtics and Dallas and Houston, things would get very ugly spin. As Magic lost ,at average by 20 points a game. .

So i find cherrypicking 6 just that, cherrypicking. Working with 18 games sample is already limiting, picking "good 6" is pointless. Just like picking bad 6 will be as pointless.

Somehow, despite already playing 18 games, we only played winning teams 4 times. Needless to say second part of our schedule, "tank " part, will be unintentional tanking regardless.
There is nothing about Cole that is new, or suprising compared what I , and many other said before draft and before we drafted him.
Too small, bad defender, short arms, gives effort, just does not have strenght, streaky- average shooter, gets no separation, poor playmaker. I really don't get what changed... Guy did score 21 points, good for him. Maxey scored 39. That's how nba works. Just give player amount of shots and he'll have some hot nights. Anfernee Simons scored 26, after being out of Blazers rotation for quite some time... Once again, it's nba. All this guys are more than capable of having huge nights, even rookies, Maxey already proved it.

[MaKiaVeLi7]

Pepe, come on! Make us laugh again. Indulge us with your stats-based negative spin on something positive shown by Cole. Please entertain us once more!

I see your arguments getting weaker and weaker by the day. I am not even sure you watch the real games, Pepe. I doubt it as I have expressed my doubts before you ever played the game or was near it in any professional capacity. You are clueless about what happens around a team and you won't ever find it in the empty stats you are so in love with.

I guess you don't watch most of the games, maybe take a look at 1 min game highlights or scroll around the stat lines and right back to stats sites and empty measurements and nonsensical modern-day "advanced" analytics.

Soo, i see you skipped therapy again.
It takes special type of personality to only post anything once every 3 weeks when player you like plays well, and go back to hiding in between games, just to "adress haters"after 1 or 2 good games.

Cole looked like nba player against 180 cm ( at most) Devonte Graham, shees, didn't see that comming

Anthony stat line 18 games into a season
11ppg
3,3 apg
36,9% FG
33,9% for 3
46,7% TS

tell me more how amazing he is based on 2 games sample size you cherrypicked and waited for 18 games to come back from hidings?

Go ahead, keep making monkey of yourself, talking about " not playing at pro level" , sorry Bodiroga/Diamantidis, i didn't notice it was you, tell us more about your proffesional basketball career... ofc i probably overvalued you, since you probably don't even know who they were.

Hahahahaaa, no one is hiding. Who am I hiding from? You?!?!?!!?! You ain't that scary, don't flatter yourself Pepe, it's below even your standards, or should be...
I'm here, I don't have so much free time to waste it in delusional conversations with you. When I do have the time I'm waiting to be amused.

I'd say you are the one hiding who is never here during the live games and only shows up with the selective negative stats a day later after watching the highlights and the boxscore.

As far as the stats, Cole's numbers are steadily climbing and it drives you crazy. He's not there yet but his numbers will even out soon enough when the rookie gets a bit more experienced running this team. And we already see that.

Look at his last 6 games where he had his ups and downs as well:
13.2 PPG 46 FG% 61% 3PT% 5.0 RPG 3.9 APG 1.0 BPG and 5-7 from the FT line (2 ugly misses yesterday)

Last 10 games:
29.5 mpg 12.9 PPG 41.2 FG% 41.5 3-pt% 73.7 FT% 4.3 rbs 3.3 assts 0.5 stls 0.9 blks 2.5 pfs 2.2 tos

It's obvious Cole is improving and better selecting his sweet spots, going away from the floater for now and showing better shot selection. All things that are fixable and come with a better experience, proof he is working on his game without even practicing in this pandemic season.

Sure, he needs a lot of work on his playmaking and passing but we also see some nifty passes he makes and he is not that terrible with his court vision like some people make him out to be. He needs to get better though, and I like that he sets the bar high for himself. He is not content with being an average player in this league and that is all we should expect from a rookie under these strange circumstances in the midst of the covid pandemic season.

Only people like you expect these rookies to come out of an injury-riddled college season playing with total scrubs, missing 1 year of basketball and starting to dominate established PG stars in this league and outperform them on a nightly basis. It ain't happening in the real world, and these young boys are not a done deal with their NCAA statistics or rookie season numbers. A lot of room to improve and the ceiling is high for Cole, which is not a bad thing at all.

And Pepe you are again wrong about Cole being "my boy". I have always been a Vuc fan before everyone else even when he was thrashed here in his early Magic days. I always like him because he is always a steady presence and extremely reliable player in terms of scoring and playmaking, which outweighs his man-on-man personal defensive shortcomings, overall a decent to good team defensive player. Cole is a player I really like who brings talent, shooting and hustle we desperately needed.

[IllMagic04]

Soo, i see you skipped therapy again.
It takes special type of personality to only post anything once every 3 weeks when player you like plays well, and go back to hiding in between games, just to "adress haters"after 1 or 2 good games.

Cole looked like nba player against 180 cm ( at most) Devonte Graham, shees, didn't see that comming

Anthony stat line 18 games into a season
11ppg
3,3 apg
36,9% FG
33,9% for 3
46,7% TS

tell me more how amazing he is based on 2 games sample size you cherrypicked and waited for 18 games to come back from hidings?

Go ahead, keep making monkey of yourself, talking about " not playing at pro level" , sorry Bodiroga/Diamantidis, i didn't notice it was you, tell us more about your proffesional basketball career... ofc i probably overvalued you, since you probably don't even know who they were.

It's not 1 or 2 games. Look at his last 6.
In those, he is over 60% from 3. and over 40% from the field.
Granted, he isn't keeping the 3s that high, but if he starts finishing better in traffic, his overall fg% will go up.

When you start to cherrypick numbers you get cluster*** of data that means something but also means nothing.
This is last 6 games scorerboard, you would think we have 3 allstars. Vuc 27 ppg 11 rpg 4 apg
Evan 22,5ppg, 6apg
Gordon 14-10-8



Than you figure they lost 4 of 6 games, offense is just clicking better and we, for first time in our history, made more than 11 threes in 3 games straight.

Problem is also who we played: Hornets twice ( not playoff team), Knicks ( not playoff team), T wolves ( the worst nba team), Indiana ( as injuried as us, inflating stats even more due OT ), and Brooklyn ( no Irving, first Harden's game , still lost ).

HOWEVER, if i did 10 instad of 6 games split, when Magic played Bucks ,Celtics and Dallas and Houston, things would get very ugly spin. As Magic lost ,at average by 20 points a game. .

So i find cherrypicking 6 just that, cherrypicking. Working with 18 games sample is already limiting, picking "good 6" is pointless. Just like picking bad 6 will be as pointless.

Somehow, despite already playing 18 games, we only played winning teams 4 times. Needless to say second part of our schedule, "tank " part, will be unintentional tanking regardless.
There is nothing about Cole that is new, or suprising compared what I , and many other said before draft and before we drafted him.
Too small, bad defender, short arms, gives effort, just does not have strenght, streaky- average shooter, gets no separation, poor playmaker. I really don't get what changed... Guy did score 21 points, good for him. Maxey scored 39. That's how nba works. Just give player amount of shots and he'll have some hot nights. Anfernee Simons scored 26, after being out of Blazers rotation for quite some time... Once again, it's nba. All this guys are more than capable of having huge nights, even rookies, Maxey already proved it.

I agree with you about cherry picking numbers but its funny how you consider using the last 6 games as cherry picking but the first 6 games as real data. We all need to just wait and see. Hes clearly starting to look better. Hopefully he continues. I always saw him as a scoring punch of the bench. We are seeing some really good flashes. You should be rooting for him. Are you a fan of the Magic or a fan of being right?

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[pepe1991]

Pepe, come on! Make us laugh again. Indulge us with your stats-based negative spin on something positive shown by Cole. Please entertain us once more!

I see your arguments getting weaker and weaker by the day. I am not even sure you watch the real games, Pepe. I doubt it as I have expressed my doubts before you ever played the game or was near it in any professional capacity. You are clueless about what happens around a team and you won't ever find it in the empty stats you are so in love with.

I guess you don't watch most of the games, maybe take a look at 1 min game highlights or scroll around the stat lines and right back to stats sites and empty measurements and nonsensical modern-day "advanced" analytics.

Soo, i see you skipped therapy again.
It takes special type of personality to only post anything once every 3 weeks when player you like plays well, and go back to hiding in between games, just to "adress haters"after 1 or 2 good games.

Cole looked like nba player against 180 cm ( at most) Devonte Graham, shees, didn't see that comming

Anthony stat line 18 games into a season
11ppg
3,3 apg
36,9% FG
33,9% for 3
46,7% TS

tell me more how amazing he is based on 2 games sample size you cherrypicked and waited for 18 games to come back from hidings?

Go ahead, keep making monkey of yourself, talking about " not playing at pro level" , sorry Bodiroga/Diamantidis, i didn't notice it was you, tell us more about your proffesional basketball career... ofc i probably overvalued you, since you probably don't even know who they were.

Hahahahaaa, no one is hiding. Who am I hiding from? You?!?!?!!?! You ain't that scary, don't flatter yourself Pepe, it's below even your standards, or should be...
I'm here, I don't have so much free time to waste it in delusional conversations with you. When I do have the time I'm waiting to be amused.

I'd say you are the one hiding who is never here during the live games and only shows up with the selective negative stats a day later after watching the highlights and the boxscore.

As far as the stats, Cole's numbers are steadily climbing and it drives you crazy. He's not there yet but his numbers will even out soon enough when the rookie gets a bit more experienced running this team. And we already see that.

Look at his last 6 games where he had his ups and downs as well:
13.2 PPG 46 FG% 61% 3PT% 5.0 RPG 3.9 APG 1.0 BPG and 5-7 from the FT line (2 ugly misses yesterday)

Last 10 games:
29.5 mpg 12.9 PPG 41.2 FG% 41.5 3-pt% 73.7 FT% 4.3 rbs 3.3 assts 0.5 stls 0.9 blks 2.5 pfs 2.2 tos

It's obvious Cole is improving and better selecting his sweet spots, going away from the floater for now and showing better shot selection. All things that are fixable and come with a better experience, proof he is working on his game without even practicing in this pandemic season.

Sure, he needs a lot of work on his playmaking and passing but we also see some nifty passes he makes and he is not that terrible with his court vision like some people make him out to be. He needs to get better though, and I like that he sets the bar high for himself. He is not content with being an average player in this league and that is all we should expect from a rookie under these strange circumstances after in the midst of the covid pandemic season.

Only people like you expect these rookies to come out of an injury-riddled college season playing with total scrubs, missing 1 year of basketball and starting to dominate established PG stars in this league and outperform them on a nightly basis. It ain't happening in the real world, and these young boys are not a done deal with their NCAA statistics or rookie season numbers. A lot of room to improve and the ceiling is high for Cole, which is not a bad thing at all.

And Pepe you are again wrong about Cole being "my boy". I have always been a Vuc fan before everyone else even when he was thrashed here in his early Magic days. I always like him because he is always a steady presence and extremely reliable player in terms of scoring and playmaking, which outweighs his man-on-man personal defensive shortcomings, overall a decent to good team defensive player. Cole is a player I really like who brings talent, shooting and hustle we desperately needed.

bla bla bla bunch of nonsense, cherrypicks but one thing:

Only people like you expect these rookies to come out of an injury-riddled college season playing with total scrubs, missing 1 year of basketball and starting to dominate established PG stars in this league and outperform them on a nightly basis.

Dame LIllard- did it.
Doncic- did it
Trae Young- did it.
Steph Curry- did it.
Kyrie played like 5 college games- dominated as rookie
Chris Paul- ofc he did it
Brogdon did it
Rose did it
Ja Morant- nailed it last year
Ben Simmons- of course he did it
Herro did it
Coby White did it
Sexston did it

yea... it's quite common for good players to be great from day one.

It's much longer list than those who suck early and turn good.

Look, we can have healthy conversation after next 10 games, problem is, you will be nowhere to be found during bad games and you will as usual only show up for good ones. But that's not my problem

[JBSouthpaw]

Soo, i see you skipped therapy again.
It takes special type of personality to only post anything once every 3 weeks when player you like plays well, and go back to hiding in between games, just to "adress haters"after 1 or 2 good games.

Cole looked like nba player against 180 cm ( at most) Devonte Graham, shees, didn't see that comming

Anthony stat line 18 games into a season
11ppg
3,3 apg
36,9% FG
33,9% for 3
46,7% TS

tell me more how amazing he is based on 2 games sample size you cherrypicked and waited for 18 games to come back from hidings?

Go ahead, keep making monkey of yourself, talking about " not playing at pro level" , sorry Bodiroga/Diamantidis, i didn't notice it was you, tell us more about your proffesional basketball career... ofc i probably overvalued you, since you probably don't even know who they were.

It's not 1 or 2 games. Look at his last 6.
In those, he is over 60% from 3. and over 40% from the field.
Granted, he isn't keeping the 3s that high, but if he starts finishing better in traffic, his overall fg% will go up.

When you start to cherrypick numbers you get cluster*** of data that means something but also means nothing.
This is last 6 games scorerboard, you would think we have 3 allstars. Vuc 27 ppg 11 rpg 4 apg
Evan 22,5ppg, 6apg
Gordon 14-10-8



Than you figure they lost 4 of 6 games, offense is just clicking better and we, for first time in our history, made more than 11 threes in 3 games straight.

Problem is also who we played: Hornets twice ( not playoff team), Knicks ( not playoff team), T wolves ( the worst nba team), Indiana ( as injuried as us, inflating stats even more due OT ), and Brooklyn ( no Irving, first Harden's game , still lost ).

HOWEVER, if i did 10 instad of 6 games split, when Magic played Bucks ,Celtics and Dallas and Houston, things would get very ugly spin. As Magic lost ,at average by 20 points a game. .

So i find cherrypicking 6 just that, cherrypicking. Working with 18 games sample is already limiting, picking "good 6" is pointless. Just like picking bad 6 will be as pointless.

Somehow, despite already playing 18 games, we only played winning teams 4 times. Needless to say second part of our schedule, "tank " part, will be unintentional tanking regardless.
There is nothing about Cole that is new, or suprising compared what I , and many other said before draft and before we drafted him.
Too small, bad defender, short arms, gives effort, just does not have strenght, streaky- average shooter, gets no separation, poor playmaker. I really don't get what changed... Guy did score 21 points, good for him. Maxey scored 39. That's how nba works. Just give player amount of shots and he'll have some hot nights. Anfernee Simons scored 26, after being out of Blazers rotation for quite some time... Once again, it's nba. All this guys are more than capable of having huge nights, even rookies, Maxey already proved it.

I wouldn't call it "cherry picking" I didn't bounce around and pick games.

If it were a stock and you looked at the last 2 weeks performance, it is called trending.
How is it trending???

That is how I'm looking at it. Is Cole trending the right way or wrong way?

You added context to the 10 games on them playing bad. Add the context of the players missing for those games and what was being asked of a rookie PG.

[JBSouthpaw]

Soo, i see you skipped therapy again.
It takes special type of personality to only post anything once every 3 weeks when player you like plays well, and go back to hiding in between games, just to "adress haters"after 1 or 2 good games.

Cole looked like nba player against 180 cm ( at most) Devonte Graham, shees, didn't see that comming

Anthony stat line 18 games into a season
11ppg
3,3 apg
36,9% FG
33,9% for 3
46,7% TS

tell me more how amazing he is based on 2 games sample size you cherrypicked and waited for 18 games to come back from hidings?

Go ahead, keep making monkey of yourself, talking about " not playing at pro level" , sorry Bodiroga/Diamantidis, i didn't notice it was you, tell us more about your proffesional basketball career... ofc i probably overvalued you, since you probably don't even know who they were.

Hahahahaaa, no one is hiding. Who am I hiding from? You?!?!?!!?! You ain't that scary, don't flatter yourself Pepe, it's below even your standards, or should be...
I'm here, I don't have so much free time to waste it in delusional conversations with you. When I do have the time I'm waiting to be amused.

I'd say you are the one hiding who is never here during the live games and only shows up with the selective negative stats a day later after watching the highlights and the boxscore.

As far as the stats, Cole's numbers are steadily climbing and it drives you crazy. He's not there yet but his numbers will even out soon enough when the rookie gets a bit more experienced running this team. And we already see that.

Look at his last 6 games where he had his ups and downs as well:
13.2 PPG 46 FG% 61% 3PT% 5.0 RPG 3.9 APG 1.0 BPG and 5-7 from the FT line (2 ugly misses yesterday)

Last 10 games:
29.5 mpg 12.9 PPG 41.2 FG% 41.5 3-pt% 73.7 FT% 4.3 rbs 3.3 assts 0.5 stls 0.9 blks 2.5 pfs 2.2 tos

It's obvious Cole is improving and better selecting his sweet spots, going away from the floater for now and showing better shot selection. All things that are fixable and come with a better experience, proof he is working on his game without even practicing in this pandemic season.

Sure, he needs a lot of work on his playmaking and passing but we also see some nifty passes he makes and he is not that terrible with his court vision like some people make him out to be. He needs to get better though, and I like that he sets the bar high for himself. He is not content with being an average player in this league and that is all we should expect from a rookie under these strange circumstances after in the midst of the covid pandemic season.

Only people like you expect these rookies to come out of an injury-riddled college season playing with total scrubs, missing 1 year of basketball and starting to dominate established PG stars in this league and outperform them on a nightly basis. It ain't happening in the real world, and these young boys are not a done deal with their NCAA statistics or rookie season numbers. A lot of room to improve and the ceiling is high for Cole, which is not a bad thing at all.

And Pepe you are again wrong about Cole being "my boy". I have always been a Vuc fan before everyone else even when he was thrashed here in his early Magic days. I always like him because he is always a steady presence and extremely reliable player in terms of scoring and playmaking, which outweighs his man-on-man personal defensive shortcomings, overall a decent to good team defensive player. Cole is a player I really like who brings talent, shooting and hustle we desperately needed.

bla bla bla bunch of nonsense, cherrypicks but one thing:

Only people like you expect these rookies to come out of an injury-riddled college season playing with total scrubs, missing 1 year of basketball and starting to dominate established PG stars in this league and outperform them on a nightly basis.

Dame LIllard- did it.
Doncic- did it
Trae Young- did it.
Steph Curry- did it.
Kyrie played like 5 college games- dominated as rookie
Chris Paul- ofc he did it
Brogdon did it
Rose did it
Ja Morant- nailed it last year
Ben Simmons- of course he did it
Herro did it
Coby White did it
Sexston did it

yea... it's quite common for good players to be great from day one.

It's much longer list than those who suck early and turn good.

Look, we can have healthy conversation after next 10 games, problem is, you will be nowhere to be found during bad games and you will as usual only show up for good ones. But that's not my problem

Dame was drafted in 2012, so you went back 8 years and were able to pull 13 players "who did it"?
You know how many that means didn't "do it"?
Now, take your list above and weed out anyone drafted in the top 10. don't want to cherry pick players, it should be apples to apples.
I think there are 2 from your list not drafted top ten (Herro & Brogdon, just went by memory didn't look it up).
In 8 years!
That is 80 players drafted in the teens over that time. and you are talking about 2 players as your comparison??

[pepe1991]

Hahahahaaa, no one is hiding. Who am I hiding from? You?!?!?!!?! You ain't that scary, don't flatter yourself Pepe, it's below even your standards, or should be...
I'm here, I don't have so much free time to waste it in delusional conversations with you. When I do have the time I'm waiting to be amused.

I'd say you are the one hiding who is never here during the live games and only shows up with the selective negative stats a day later after watching the highlights and the boxscore.

As far as the stats, Cole's numbers are steadily climbing and it drives you crazy. He's not there yet but his numbers will even out soon enough when the rookie gets a bit more experienced running this team. And we already see that.

Look at his last 6 games where he had his ups and downs as well:
13.2 PPG 46 FG% 61% 3PT% 5.0 RPG 3.9 APG 1.0 BPG and 5-7 from the FT line (2 ugly misses yesterday)

Last 10 games:
29.5 mpg 12.9 PPG 41.2 FG% 41.5 3-pt% 73.7 FT% 4.3 rbs 3.3 assts 0.5 stls 0.9 blks 2.5 pfs 2.2 tos

It's obvious Cole is improving and better selecting his sweet spots, going away from the floater for now and showing better shot selection. All things that are fixable and come with a better experience, proof he is working on his game without even practicing in this pandemic season.

Sure, he needs a lot of work on his playmaking and passing but we also see some nifty passes he makes and he is not that terrible with his court vision like some people make him out to be. He needs to get better though, and I like that he sets the bar high for himself. He is not content with being an average player in this league and that is all we should expect from a rookie under these strange circumstances after in the midst of the covid pandemic season.

Only people like you expect these rookies to come out of an injury-riddled college season playing with total scrubs, missing 1 year of basketball and starting to dominate established PG stars in this league and outperform them on a nightly basis. It ain't happening in the real world, and these young boys are not a done deal with their NCAA statistics or rookie season numbers. A lot of room to improve and the ceiling is high for Cole, which is not a bad thing at all.

And Pepe you are again wrong about Cole being "my boy". I have always been a Vuc fan before everyone else even when he was thrashed here in his early Magic days. I always like him because he is always a steady presence and extremely reliable player in terms of scoring and playmaking, which outweighs his man-on-man personal defensive shortcomings, overall a decent to good team defensive player. Cole is a player I really like who brings talent, shooting and hustle we desperately needed.

bla bla bla bunch of nonsense, cherrypicks but one thing:

Only people like you expect these rookies to come out of an injury-riddled college season playing with total scrubs, missing 1 year of basketball and starting to dominate established PG stars in this league and outperform them on a nightly basis.

Dame LIllard- did it.
Doncic- did it
Trae Young- did it.
Steph Curry- did it.
Kyrie played like 5 college games- dominated as rookie
Chris Paul- ofc he did it
Brogdon did it
Rose did it
Ja Morant- nailed it last year
Ben Simmons- of course he did it
Herro did it
Coby White did it
Sexston did it

yea... it's quite common for good players to be great from day one.

It's much longer list than those who suck early and turn good.

Look, we can have healthy conversation after next 10 games, problem is, you will be nowhere to be found during bad games and you will as usual only show up for good ones. But that's not my problem

Dame was drafted in 2012, so you went back 8 years and were able to pull 13 players "who did it"?
You know how many that means didn't "do it"?
Now, take your list above and weed out anyone drafted in the top 10. don't want to cherry pick players, it should be apples to apples.
I think there are 2 from your list not drafted top ten (Herro & Brogdon, just went by memory didn't look it up).
In 8 years!
That is 80 players drafted in the teens over that time. and you are talking about 2 players as your comparison??

You do realise that vast majority of elite PGs are all pushin 30 or in 30s right? They are elite last 5 years , most of them last 8-10 years( Harden,Westbrook, Lillard, Curry, Lowry, Conley, Kemba,Holiday, Paul , Wall, Irving, Brogdon ...) .

And there are ones who are super young, yet alredy elite: Doncic, Spurs Murray, Young, Fox, SGA, Morant, Garland and Sexston ( depending do you think he is PG or SG...).

And there is list of not so young, but not so old, yet pretty damn amazing PGs : Murray ( Nuggets), D'angelo russell, Ben Simmons.

There you have it, 23 point guards in nba that are very, very ,very good.

You get fixated at draft position, it only matters when it comes to playing time. if 60th draft pick gets as much PT as lottery pick, his draft stock no longer means anything. Happend to Isaiah Thomas and Jimmer Ferdette. Jimmer was lottery pick, Isaiah 60th pick, Isaiah ended up playing more. So why does it matter?

Immanuel Quickley and Maxey both were not lottery picks, yet they look pretty damn good.

I don't get point of this talk. Cole Anthony played 18 games, should have never been starter, despite being starter he is not even playmaker nor lead ballhandler as team plays through Gordon and Evan and from time to time through Vuc. He is player that happends to start on team that is running 3rd worst offense in NBA. What he should get ? Extra pass for doing bare minimum playmaking while his position is called "playmaker" ?
Also 6 games samaple size on greater scale is sample size where Magic playing against mostly non playoff teams , lost 4 of 6. So it's not like there is any gain from team from his performance, rather just him putting up better personal stats at box score.

[Xatticus]

I've said it since I joined, but point guard defense is probably the most overrated defense there is. Unless you're a Smart/MCW/Murray bigger guard, your job is to literally play hard and not completely die on picks. It's so hard to play defense now because of the rules and offenses are way more dynamic because 1 or 2 screens and passing completely negates any sort of guard pressure.

Cole's not even a "bad" defender in the sense that he's killing us out there. The only guard with a lick of defensive skills on this team is MCW and he is a complete mess on offense. Advanced and on/off stuff shows some of our other players have WORSE defensive ratings with him off the floor. He's not a stopper but he battles and contests drives. He, like every rookie and young player will have lapses, and his size is a detriment on that end, but I've already seen him make 6 or 7 plays at the rim where he is contesting and they miss a shot, or he gets a block, or it's a tie up for a jump ball.

So it's very nitpicky to complain about the defense. His biggest negative on the floor early on was his efficiency which was absolutely hampering the team, and now we've seen him pick his spots better and connect on the open shots he was missing before.

It's not that it's irrelevant, but rather that very few point guards have the tools to be useful as help defenders. I just don't understand the criticisms regarding that part of his game. His effort is good and he makes use of the tools he has. He will settle down and be just fine at the defensive end. I love his rebounding. He gives good effort and has good anticipation. He definitely adds something to the team in that regard.

[PrimeThyme]

The sheer fact that Cole is showing the ability/willingness to take and make open 3's would lead me to want to move ahead with him over Fultz. I'd still be looking to draft our PG of the future in the upcoming draft, but it's encouraging that Cole is improving and he can hopefully be a consistent rotational player for us going forward.

[MaKiaVeLi7]

Hey hey, cherrypicking, sweet sweet cherrypicking.

How many drafted out of the top 10?

Tyle Herro didn't dominate anyone. He had good to excellent games later in his rookie season and bubble playoffs. I don't see a reason Cole won't surpass him. Also Herro benefited immensely from playing on the Heat team that moved the ball very well and Heat's game emphasized the 3-pt shooting - we don't have that.
13.5 PPG 4.1 RPG 2.2 APG 0.2 BPG 0.6 SPG 1.6 TOPG 38.9% from 3 and 42.8% FG

Colin Sexton didn't dominate in his rookie season like you make it out to be.
16.7 PPG 2.9 RPG 3.0 APG 0.1 BPG 0.5 SPG 2.3 TOPG 40.2% from 3 and 43.0% FG
Sexton had a lot of struggles on the offensive end and still has, although he has shown some significant improvement AFTER his rookie season, which is totally understandable and to be expected. You tend to forget he is in his 3rd season now, not 18 games in without any preparation for the pandemic season like Cole.

Malcolm Brogdon didn't dominate anyone in his rookie Bucks season as well.
10.2 PPG 2.8 RPG 4.2 APG 0.2 BPG 1.1 SPG 1.5 TOPG 40.4% from 3 and 45.7% FG
He was a good, all-around player, great defender and surprised many with his Rookie of the Year award. he continued to improve what young players tend to do and Pepe cannot accept or even try to understand. Brogdon is turning out to be an above-average guard and a valuable player.

Coby White - another bad comparison and unsuccessful cherrypicking example. Coby is playing on a terrible Bulls team that would only inflate his stats and they are not so impressive.
13.2 PPG 3.5 RPG 2.7 APG 0.1 BPG 0.8 SPG 1.7 TOPG 35.4% from 3 39.4% FG

Looking again at the percentages, Cole is already at that level in his last games and he can only improve. If that's the bar, we got a steal with the 15th pick, people tend to forget he was not top3.

I bet Cole will have better numbers at the end of his rookie season compared to the rookie campaigns of the players above, keeping in mind he was put in a worse position to succeed.

Also the other names from the list are all great players and most of them were taken in the top of their respective drafts. I'm glad you are put in the corner Pepe and you start comparing the "bust" and "ineffective" "chucker" Cole Anthony with those great players, only to prove your point that he's not on that level or will ever be. Guy is clearly improving and does not need your constant trolling and fake fan support which equals hate.

Pepe, support the team and the Magic players or just don't bother. I really cannot understand the negative motivation of some people that follow sports teams to only hate on them without being able to feel any joy.

[tiderulz]

Soo, i see you skipped therapy again.
It takes special type of personality to only post anything once every 3 weeks when player you like plays well, and go back to hiding in between games, just to "adress haters"after 1 or 2 good games.

Cole looked like nba player against 180 cm ( at most) Devonte Graham, shees, didn't see that comming

Anthony stat line 18 games into a season
11ppg
3,3 apg
36,9% FG
33,9% for 3
46,7% TS

tell me more how amazing he is based on 2 games sample size you cherrypicked and waited for 18 games to come back from hidings?

Go ahead, keep making monkey of yourself, talking about " not playing at pro level" , sorry Bodiroga/Diamantidis, i didn't notice it was you, tell us more about your proffesional basketball career... ofc i probably overvalued you, since you probably don't even know who they were.

Hahahahaaa, no one is hiding. Who am I hiding from? You?!?!?!!?! You ain't that scary, don't flatter yourself Pepe, it's below even your standards, or should be...
I'm here, I don't have so much free time to waste it in delusional conversations with you. When I do have the time I'm waiting to be amused.

I'd say you are the one hiding who is never here during the live games and only shows up with the selective negative stats a day later after watching the highlights and the boxscore.

As far as the stats, Cole's numbers are steadily climbing and it drives you crazy. He's not there yet but his numbers will even out soon enough when the rookie gets a bit more experienced running this team. And we already see that.

Look at his last 6 games where he had his ups and downs as well:
13.2 PPG 46 FG% 61% 3PT% 5.0 RPG 3.9 APG 1.0 BPG and 5-7 from the FT line (2 ugly misses yesterday)

Last 10 games:
29.5 mpg 12.9 PPG 41.2 FG% 41.5 3-pt% 73.7 FT% 4.3 rbs 3.3 assts 0.5 stls 0.9 blks 2.5 pfs 2.2 tos

It's obvious Cole is improving and better selecting his sweet spots, going away from the floater for now and showing better shot selection. All things that are fixable and come with a better experience, proof he is working on his game without even practicing in this pandemic season.

Sure, he needs a lot of work on his playmaking and passing but we also see some nifty passes he makes and he is not that terrible with his court vision like some people make him out to be. He needs to get better though, and I like that he sets the bar high for himself. He is not content with being an average player in this league and that is all we should expect from a rookie under these strange circumstances after in the midst of the covid pandemic season.

Only people like you expect these rookies to come out of an injury-riddled college season playing with total scrubs, missing 1 year of basketball and starting to dominate established PG stars in this league and outperform them on a nightly basis. It ain't happening in the real world, and these young boys are not a done deal with their NCAA statistics or rookie season numbers. A lot of room to improve and the ceiling is high for Cole, which is not a bad thing at all.

And Pepe you are again wrong about Cole being "my boy". I have always been a Vuc fan before everyone else even when he was thrashed here in his early Magic days. I always like him because he is always a steady presence and extremely reliable player in terms of scoring and playmaking, which outweighs his man-on-man personal defensive shortcomings, overall a decent to good team defensive player. Cole is a player I really like who brings talent, shooting and hustle we desperately needed.

bla bla bla bunch of nonsense, cherrypicks but one thing:

Only people like you expect these rookies to come out of an injury-riddled college season playing with total scrubs, missing 1 year of basketball and starting to dominate established PG stars in this league and outperform them on a nightly basis.

Dame LIllard- did it.
Doncic- did it
Trae Young- did it.
Steph Curry- did it.
Kyrie played like 5 college games- dominated as rookie
Chris Paul- ofc he did it
Brogdon did it
Rose did it
Ja Morant- nailed it last year
Ben Simmons- of course he did it
Herro did it
Coby White did it
Sexston did it

yea... it's quite common for good players to be great from day one.

It's much longer list than those who suck early and turn good.

Look, we can have healthy conversation after next 10 games, problem is, you will be nowhere to be found during bad games and you will as usual only show up for good ones. But that's not my problem

only thing ill add to this, Curry/Lilliard/CP3/Brogdon/Morant all had multiple years in college and many were top-5 picks. And all the above had real NBA summer/training camps. Cole is a rookie after 1 year in an injury/Covid affected year.

Think I'll give Cole most of the season before i make any declaration of what he is or isnt, what he can or cant do.

[Def Swami]

I, for one, have not noticed in any glaring defensive issues with Anthony other than he can only guard one position. He competes, he generally is in the right spots, he doesn't give up on plays, and is fighting through screens. And yes, I like that he attacks the glass. Even when switched on to a bigger defender, he's at least trying to make it tough. If there's one thing Clifford will do for Anthony it's making sure he learns to play defense in the NBA.

Luckily, his efficiency is coming around. He's accurate in catch and shoot situations where he has time. He's a good shooter. He's cutting out those ill-advised shots off the dribble. His game has become shots at the rim or open C&S 3's. And that's perfect for a guy in his role.

He's not going to be a guy that becomes a lead playmaker. That was never in his game. And with Vucevic, Fournier, and Gordon, Clifford won't task him with that. I think that's the next step for him. He'll never be a Doncic-level visionary, but he'll have to get to a place where he knows how to play out of a pick n' roll and make good decisions. He has been a pretty selfless passer. I know there was this fear that he'd come in and be a chucker (see Anthony Edwards). But, I think the veterans and Clifford have held him accountable. Which is good in his case.

You just want to see growth and improvement over the course of a rookie year. Especially this one as chaotic as it is. Anthony is coachable and a guy who wants to buy in to win games. He's got a great attitude. The fact that he's cutting out some of those terrible shot attempts, trying his best on defense, not chucking every chance he gets tells me he's paying attention to the film sessions and listening to his coaches. Hopefully he maintains a steady course of improvement.

I think his next step is learning to finish at the rim. The encouraging thing is that he's able to get to the rim. He's so quick and athletic. I'm optimistic that he'll get better. But, like passing and becoming a playmaker, I think those are things he'll have to work on extensively in the off-season. He'll need to go to the Kyrie Irving School of Lay-Ups.

[zaymon]

Anthony reminds Aaron Gordon a little. Not a natural basketball talent, but selfmade player.
Cole is more fluid of an athlete, and with better eye- hand coordination while Gordon is bigger and quicker decision maker ( sometimes to his own detriment).
I believe there are 2 types of successful playmakers in the nba( or mix). Instinct passers ( Doncic, Ball, Young), and learned reads passers ( Lillard, Curry). Second type of passers need more type to learn from watching the film. according to Clifford, Cole is willing to do that so we must wait and see.

[Knightro]

The sheer fact that Cole is showing the ability/willingness to take and make open 3's would lead me to want to move ahead with him over Fultz. I'd still be looking to draft our PG of the future in the upcoming draft, but it's encouraging that Cole is improving and he can hopefully be a consistent rotational player for us going forward.

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I feel the same way.

A player has to be incredibly good at multiple other things if he is a bad/unwilling shooter and much as I like Fultz, he's just not incredibly good at anything else. He's pretty good at a lot of other things, but not so good that it makes up for his lack of shooting.

I don't know if Anthony has the passing or vision to be a good starting point guard moving forward, but he does at least appear to be a guy who is willing to take and has the ability to make shots from the perimeter and give effort defensively which are both things you can work with.