The Official Jalen Suggs Thread

[pepe1991]

Reason why there is no structure to offense is because Suggs and Cole don't provide one. Their main jobs as playmakers is to set offense. Instad, they are too busy calling own numbers all the time. Magic biggest chuckers are two guards. At average they take 28 shots a game.

[basketballRob]

Reason why there is no structure to offense is because Suggs and Cole don't provide one. Their main jobs as playmakers is to set offense. Instad, they are too busy calling own numbers all the time. Magic biggest chuckers are two guards. At average they take 28 shots a game.

Maybe or it could be the average age of the starting lineup is 21. Do you think Wendell fake handing off the ball or not enough screens in general could affect the offense?

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[OrlChamps2030]

Reason why there is no structure to offense is because Suggs and Cole don't provide one. Their main jobs as playmakers is to set offense. Instad, they are too busy calling own numbers all the time. Magic biggest chuckers are two guards. At average they take 28 shots a game.

Yeah, putting Cole and Suggs together and expecting it to work is roster mismanagement. Tbh, not sure I see Fultz - Suggs working out much better either.

[pepe1991]

Reason why there is no structure to offense is because Suggs and Cole don't provide one. Their main jobs as playmakers is to set offense. Instad, they are too busy calling own numbers all the time. Magic biggest chuckers are two guards. At average they take 28 shots a game.

Maybe or it could be the average age of the starting lineup is 21. Do you think Wendell fake handing off the ball or not enough screens in general could affect the offense?

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Garland ( 22), Mobley (20), Allen ( 23), Markannen (24) , Okoro 21 / Sexton 23
Morant 22, Jackson 22, Bane 23, Adams 28 , Brooks 26

There are solid, funcional young teams. I think Cole and Suggs don't navigate screens well but in general biggest issue in starting 5 comes from fact that Bamba & Wendell are mediocre shooters and dont' set solid screens and Cole and Suggs are bad fits.
Gary Harris as starter averaged 14 ppg on 58% TS, there was no logical basketball reason to sit him in favor of either Suggs or Cole. But Mosley (or/and ) front office don't have balls to bench one of them. It will be funny to see what happends when Fultz return.

[basketballRob]

Reason why there is no structure to offense is because Suggs and Cole don't provide one. Their main jobs as playmakers is to set offense. Instad, they are too busy calling own numbers all the time. Magic biggest chuckers are two guards. At average they take 28 shots a game.

Yeah, putting Cole and Suggs together and expecting it to work is roster mismanagement. Tbh, not sure I see Fultz - Suggs working out much better either.

And 1. It took me about 1 minute of summer league to see Suggs and Cole wouldn't work together.

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[basketballRob]

Reason why there is no structure to offense is because Suggs and Cole don't provide one. Their main jobs as playmakers is to set offense. Instad, they are too busy calling own numbers all the time. Magic biggest chuckers are two guards. At average they take 28 shots a game.

Maybe or it could be the average age of the starting lineup is 21. Do you think Wendell fake handing off the ball or not enough screens in general could affect the offense?

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Garland ( 22), Mobley (20), Allen ( 23), Markannen (24) , Okoro 21 / Sexton 23
Morant 22, Jackson 22, Bane 23, Adams 28 , Brooks 26

There are solid, funcional young teams. I think Cole and Suggs don't navigate screens well but in general biggest issue in starting 5 comes from fact that Bamba & Wendell are mediocre shooters and dont' set solid screens and Cole and Suggs are bad fits.
Gary Harris as starter averaged 14 ppg on 58% TS, there was no logical basketball reason to sit him in favor of either Suggs or Cole. But Mosley (or/and ) front office don't have balls to bench one of them. It will be funny to see what happends when Fultz return.

Not sure why they care about Cole's feelings. It wouldn't be hard to replace a guy that chucks a lot of shots and isn't capable of playing good defense.

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[pepe1991]

Maybe or it could be the average age of the starting lineup is 21. Do you think Wendell fake handing off the ball or not enough screens in general could affect the offense?

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Garland ( 22), Mobley (20), Allen ( 23), Markannen (24) , Okoro 21 / Sexton 23
Morant 22, Jackson 22, Bane 23, Adams 28 , Brooks 26

There are solid, funcional young teams. I think Cole and Suggs don't navigate screens well but in general biggest issue in starting 5 comes from fact that Bamba & Wendell are mediocre shooters and dont' set solid screens and Cole and Suggs are bad fits.
Gary Harris as starter averaged 14 ppg on 58% TS, there was no logical basketball reason to sit him in favor of either Suggs or Cole. But Mosley (or/and ) front office don't have balls to bench one of them. It will be funny to see what happends when Fultz return.

Not sure why they care about Cole's feelings. It wouldn't be hard to replace a guy that chucks a lot of shots and isn't capable of playing good defense.

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Bad PR ? I don't know.
Cole's ego was always inflated since his highschool days as he carries himself as star.

Young nba teams start all as buddies, than they figure out fast that there is serious competition between them who's bank account get fat in next few years. Oladipo said so about his Orlando's days. Not specifcilly about money, but shots mean usage, usage means stats, stats mean money. That's why one Monta Elise made i think 8 times more than one Tony Allen.

[pinoynurse]

coming into this season i would not have expected scottie barnes would be shooting 32% from 3 and suggs would be shooting 24% lol yeeesh

[Skin]

Maybe or it could be the average age of the starting lineup is 21. Do you think Wendell fake handing off the ball or not enough screens in general could affect the offense?

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Garland ( 22), Mobley (20), Allen ( 23), Markannen (24) , Okoro 21 / Sexton 23
Morant 22, Jackson 22, Bane 23, Adams 28 , Brooks 26

There are solid, funcional young teams. I think Cole and Suggs don't navigate screens well but in general biggest issue in starting 5 comes from fact that Bamba & Wendell are mediocre shooters and dont' set solid screens and Cole and Suggs are bad fits.
Gary Harris as starter averaged 14 ppg on 58% TS, there was no logical basketball reason to sit him in favor of either Suggs or Cole. But Mosley (or/and ) front office don't have balls to bench one of them. It will be funny to see what happends when Fultz return.

Not sure why they care about Cole's feelings. It wouldn't be hard to replace a guy that chucks a lot of shots and isn't capable of playing good defense.

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Because he's a big personality... the kind that can rock a ship. Should never have drafted him. If they wanted an undersized guy, they should've looked at Maxey. Team player.

[Knightro]

Garland ( 22), Mobley (20), Allen ( 23), Markannen (24) , Okoro 21 / Sexton 23
Morant 22, Jackson 22, Bane 23, Adams 28 , Brooks 26

There are solid, funcional young teams. I think Cole and Suggs don't navigate screens well but in general biggest issue in starting 5 comes from fact that Bamba & Wendell are mediocre shooters and dont' set solid screens and Cole and Suggs are bad fits.
Gary Harris as starter averaged 14 ppg on 58% TS, there was no logical basketball reason to sit him in favor of either Suggs or Cole. But Mosley (or/and ) front office don't have balls to bench one of them. It will be funny to see what happends when Fultz return.

I wouldn't focus so much on age so much as the gap in experience, which matters a lot.

The Magic start...

2nd year at PG
Rookie at SG
Rookie at SF
4th year at PF
4th year at C
Combined experience: 12 years

Cavs start...

3rd year at PG
2nd year at SG (and are probably about to be replacing Okoro with 6th year player LeVert)
5th year at SF
Rookie at PF
5th year at C
Combined experience: 16 years (likely about to be 20)

Grizzlies start...

3rd year at PG
2nd year at SG
5th year at SF
4th year at PF
9th year at C
Combined experience: 23 years

A guy like Darius Garland was absolutely terrible as a rookie (-5.5 BPM, sub 50 TS%, -8.9 NET), but now in Year 3 he's an all-star.

He kept developing, kept improving and now he's great. The hope is that you'll see similar type of improvement out of Suggs from this year to year 2 and into year 3.

Morant was never bad, not even as a rookie, but he's still miles better in year 3 than he was in year 1. He was a very good rookie who has turned into an MVP caliber player.

Guys get better with more experience. Hopefully Suggs will do the same.

[Skin]

Garland ( 22), Mobley (20), Allen ( 23), Markannen (24) , Okoro 21 / Sexton 23
Morant 22, Jackson 22, Bane 23, Adams 28 , Brooks 26

There are solid, funcional young teams. I think Cole and Suggs don't navigate screens well but in general biggest issue in starting 5 comes from fact that Bamba & Wendell are mediocre shooters and dont' set solid screens and Cole and Suggs are bad fits.
Gary Harris as starter averaged 14 ppg on 58% TS, there was no logical basketball reason to sit him in favor of either Suggs or Cole. But Mosley (or/and ) front office don't have balls to bench one of them. It will be funny to see what happends when Fultz return.

I wouldn't focus so much on age so much as the gap in experience, which matters a lot.

The Magic start...

2nd year at PG
Rookie at SG
Rookie at SF
4th year at PF
4th year at C
Combined experience: 12 years

Cavs start...

3rd year at PG
2nd year at SG (and are probably about to be replacing Okoro with 6th year player LeVert)
5th year at SF
Rookie at PF
5th year at C
Combined experience: 16 years (likely about to be 20)

Grizzlies start...

3rd year at PG
2nd year at SG
5th year at SF
4th year at PF
9th year at C
Combined experience: 23 years

A guy like Darius Garland was absolutely terrible as a rookie (-5.5 BPM, sub 50 TS%, -8.9 NET), but now in Year 3 he's an all-star.

He kept developing, kept improving and now he's great. The hope is that you'll see similar type of improvement out of Suggs from this year to year 2 and into year 3.

Morant was never bad, not even as a rookie, but he's still miles better in year 3 than he was in year 1. He was a very good rookie who has turned into an MVP caliber player.

Guys get better with more experience. Hopefully Suggs will do the same.

Nice post Knightro. Our fanbase is understandably frustrated with how long it's taken us to become a contender since Dwight, but our organization was fooled for many years during the Vuc era thinking we could be that.

Now we are in year 2 of our newest rebuild and have a lot of young players who are still finding themselves in the NBA + hurt players.

WeHam has seemingly gone for BPA over need in the draft, but if that's their strategy, then they will need to take step 2 of that strategy and trade assets that don't fit for assets that fit.

Like CLE trading for Markannen and MEM trading for Adams.

[yoyojw17]

Garland ( 22), Mobley (20), Allen ( 23), Markannen (24) , Okoro 21 / Sexton 23
Morant 22, Jackson 22, Bane 23, Adams 28 , Brooks 26

There are solid, funcional young teams. I think Cole and Suggs don't navigate screens well but in general biggest issue in starting 5 comes from fact that Bamba & Wendell are mediocre shooters and dont' set solid screens and Cole and Suggs are bad fits.
Gary Harris as starter averaged 14 ppg on 58% TS, there was no logical basketball reason to sit him in favor of either Suggs or Cole. But Mosley (or/and ) front office don't have balls to bench one of them. It will be funny to see what happends when Fultz return.

I wouldn't focus so much on age so much as the gap in experience, which matters a lot.

The Magic start...

2nd year at PG
Rookie at SG
Rookie at SF
4th year at PF
4th year at C
Combined experience: 12 years

Cavs start...

3rd year at PG
2nd year at SG (and are probably about to be replacing Okoro with 6th year player LeVert)
5th year at SF
Rookie at PF
5th year at C
Combined experience: 16 years (likely about to be 20)

Grizzlies start...

3rd year at PG
2nd year at SG
5th year at SF
4th year at PF
9th year at C
Combined experience: 23 years

A guy like Darius Garland was absolutely terrible as a rookie (-5.5 BPM, sub 50 TS%, -8.9 NET), but now in Year 3 he's an all-star.

He kept developing, kept improving and now he's great. The hope is that you'll see similar type of improvement out of Suggs from this year to year 2 and into year 3.

Morant was never bad, not even as a rookie, but he's still miles better in year 3 than he was in year 1. He was a very good rookie who has turned into an MVP caliber player.

Guys get better with more experience. Hopefully Suggs will do the same.

Agreed!

I think that both cole and suggs are ultimate competitors that are confident in their abilities... and currently to a fault. The game is going to have to slow way down for both of them and they will hopefully stop forcing stuff. I know people are on the fence with fultz and isaac... but to me... they would bring more of a sense of stability even in their youth. Fultz will unlock another level of ball movement and body movement. ie. mo bamba should be a nightly lob threat... and not always fading to the corner or trailing for the 3. And i feel like he literally gets disinterested in the game.... and fades into the shadows as well. Too much do i see players pound the hell out of the ball and end up with a contended 3. We're not going to win like that.

[pepe1991]

Garland ( 22), Mobley (20), Allen ( 23), Markannen (24) , Okoro 21 / Sexton 23
Morant 22, Jackson 22, Bane 23, Adams 28 , Brooks 26

There are solid, funcional young teams. I think Cole and Suggs don't navigate screens well but in general biggest issue in starting 5 comes from fact that Bamba & Wendell are mediocre shooters and dont' set solid screens and Cole and Suggs are bad fits.
Gary Harris as starter averaged 14 ppg on 58% TS, there was no logical basketball reason to sit him in favor of either Suggs or Cole. But Mosley (or/and ) front office don't have balls to bench one of them. It will be funny to see what happends when Fultz return.

I wouldn't focus so much on age so much as the gap in experience, which matters a lot.

The Magic start...

2nd year at PG
Rookie at SG
Rookie at SF
4th year at PF
4th year at C
Combined experience: 12 years

Cavs start...

3rd year at PG
2nd year at SG (and are probably about to be replacing Okoro with 6th year player LeVert)
5th year at SF
Rookie at PF
5th year at C
Combined experience: 16 years (likely about to be 20)

Grizzlies start...

3rd year at PG
2nd year at SG
5th year at SF
4th year at PF
9th year at C
Combined experience: 23 years

A guy like Darius Garland was absolutely terrible as a rookie (-5.5 BPM, sub 50 TS%, -8.9 NET), but now in Year 3 he's an all-star.

He kept developing, kept improving and now he's great. The hope is that you'll see similar type of improvement out of Suggs from this year to year 2 and into year 3.

Morant was never bad, not even as a rookie, but he's still miles better in year 3 than he was in year 1. He was a very good rookie who has turned into an MVP caliber player.

Guys get better with more experience. Hopefully Suggs will do the same.

Those teams actually try to win games and play young players because they are good, not because they are young. We don't . We know what works. Gary Harris as starter with 8 years of nba experience. But we elect what doesn't work and has no chance at working,even most casual fans would figure this out. Suggs & Cole together are simply bad fits.
We know what doesn't work. Bamba in starting five. But here he is .

We know what doesn't work. Magic offense. Magic have 4 players in top 10 worst players in offensive RAPTOR. Okeke, Suggs, Hampton and Bamba. Do we try to solve it by finding some 25-28 years old player who can bring stabilty and long term help team ? Noup. Would some Norman Powell change everything ? Noup. But would having starting quality SG & PF make Magic more of nba and less of college basketball team without really hindering chance to be top 5 worst team? Noup.

Let's cut a BS, trade deadline will come and go without any attemps to become nba team. Free agency 2022 is one gigantic fools gold. Next year Orlando will be copy past same roster + another top 5-6 pick.
For team that is banking so hard on progress to put them over, trackrecord of development of Okeke, Hampton, Bamba & Cole really shouldn't boost any confidence. Rather raise red alert.

[Skin]

Garland ( 22), Mobley (20), Allen ( 23), Markannen (24) , Okoro 21 / Sexton 23
Morant 22, Jackson 22, Bane 23, Adams 28 , Brooks 26

There are solid, funcional young teams. I think Cole and Suggs don't navigate screens well but in general biggest issue in starting 5 comes from fact that Bamba & Wendell are mediocre shooters and dont' set solid screens and Cole and Suggs are bad fits.
Gary Harris as starter averaged 14 ppg on 58% TS, there was no logical basketball reason to sit him in favor of either Suggs or Cole. But Mosley (or/and ) front office don't have balls to bench one of them. It will be funny to see what happends when Fultz return.

I wouldn't focus so much on age so much as the gap in experience, which matters a lot.

The Magic start...

2nd year at PG
Rookie at SG
Rookie at SF
4th year at PF
4th year at C
Combined experience: 12 years

Cavs start...

3rd year at PG
2nd year at SG (and are probably about to be replacing Okoro with 6th year player LeVert)
5th year at SF
Rookie at PF
5th year at C
Combined experience: 16 years (likely about to be 20)

Grizzlies start...

3rd year at PG
2nd year at SG
5th year at SF
4th year at PF
9th year at C
Combined experience: 23 years

A guy like Darius Garland was absolutely terrible as a rookie (-5.5 BPM, sub 50 TS%, -8.9 NET), but now in Year 3 he's an all-star.

He kept developing, kept improving and now he's great. The hope is that you'll see similar type of improvement out of Suggs from this year to year 2 and into year 3.

Morant was never bad, not even as a rookie, but he's still miles better in year 3 than he was in year 1. He was a very good rookie who has turned into an MVP caliber player.

Guys get better with more experience. Hopefully Suggs will do the same.

Agreed!

I think that both cole and suggs are ultimate competitors that are confident in their abilities... and currently to a fault. The game is going to have to slow way down for both of them and they will hopefully stop forcing stuff. I know people are on the fence with fultz and isaac... but to me... they would bring more of a sense of stability even in their youth. Fultz will unlock another level of ball movement and body movement. ie. mo bamba should be a nightly lob threat... and not always fading to the corner or trailing for the 3. And i feel like he literally gets disinterested in the game.... and fades into the shadows as well. Too much do i see players pound the hell out of the ball and end up with a contended 3. We're not going to win like that.

We're basically playing basketball without a point guard. Of course we're gonna lose and our play will look out of whack.

I agree with you that with Fultz back, we will start to look better. Also goes to show that we need depth at PG because there's a difference between having a playmaking guard and a guard that will pass. Cole, Suggs and Hampton are are guards that will pass, but none of them are natural playmakers.

[zaymon]

Garland ( 22), Mobley (20), Allen ( 23), Markannen (24) , Okoro 21 / Sexton 23
Morant 22, Jackson 22, Bane 23, Adams 28 , Brooks 26

There are solid, funcional young teams. I think Cole and Suggs don't navigate screens well but in general biggest issue in starting 5 comes from fact that Bamba & Wendell are mediocre shooters and dont' set solid screens and Cole and Suggs are bad fits.
Gary Harris as starter averaged 14 ppg on 58% TS, there was no logical basketball reason to sit him in favor of either Suggs or Cole. But Mosley (or/and ) front office don't have balls to bench one of them. It will be funny to see what happends when Fultz return.

I wouldn't focus so much on age so much as the gap in experience, which matters a lot.

The Magic start...

2nd year at PG
Rookie at SG
Rookie at SF
4th year at PF
4th year at C
Combined experience: 12 years

Cavs start...

3rd year at PG
2nd year at SG (and are probably about to be replacing Okoro with 6th year player LeVert)
5th year at SF
Rookie at PF
5th year at C
Combined experience: 16 years (likely about to be 20)

Grizzlies start...

3rd year at PG
2nd year at SG
5th year at SF
4th year at PF
9th year at C
Combined experience: 23 years

A guy like Darius Garland was absolutely terrible as a rookie (-5.5 BPM, sub 50 TS%, -8.9 NET), but now in Year 3 he's an all-star.

He kept developing, kept improving and now he's great. The hope is that you'll see similar type of improvement out of Suggs from this year to year 2 and into year 3.

Morant was never bad, not even as a rookie, but he's still miles better in year 3 than he was in year 1. He was a very good rookie who has turned into an MVP caliber player.

Guys get better with more experience. Hopefully Suggs will do the same.

Nice post Knightro. Our fanbase is understandably frustrated with how long it's taken us to become a contender since Dwight, but our organization was fooled for many years during the Vuc era thinking we could be that.

Now we are in year 2 of our newest rebuild and have a lot of young players who are still finding themselves in the NBA + hurt players.

WeHam has seemingly gone for BPA over need in the draft, but if that's their strategy, then they will need to take step 2 of that strategy and trade assets that don't fit for assets that fit.

Like CLE trading for Markannen and MEM trading for Adams.

If you dont believe Anthony is starting point guard we are basically two years behind both Cavs and Griz. We also start 4th center who is basically a bad rookie. A lot can change in two years. Cavs were awful last year.
Draft wont change much but Isaac is key for next year. Change from Bamba to Isaac is like playing with 4 players vs playing with 6 players

[Knightro]

Those teams actually try to win games and play young players because they are good, not because they are young. We don't . We know what works. Gary Harris as starter with 8 years of nba experience. But we elect what doesn't work and has no chance at working,even most casual fans would figure this out. Suggs & Cole together are simply bad fits.
We know what doesn't work. Bamba in starting five. But here he is .

We know what doesn't work. Magic offense. Magic have 4 players in top 10 worst players in offensive RAPTOR. Okeke, Suggs, Hampton and Bamba. Do we try to solve it by finding some 25-28 years old player who can bring stabilty and long term help team ? Noup. Would some Norman Powell change everything ? Noup. But would having starting quality SG & PF make Magic more of nba and less of college basketball team without really hindering chance to be top 5 worst team? Noup.

Let's cut a BS, trade deadline will come and go without any attemps to become nba team. Free agency 2022 is one gigantic fools gold. Next year Orlando will be copy past same roster + another top 5-6 pick.
For team that is banking so hard on progress to put them over, trackrecord of development of Okeke, Hampton, Bamba & Cole really shouldn't boost any confidence. Rather raise red alert.

No man.

Now those teams are good and are trying to win games. That wasn't the case, especially in Cleveland, for the last few years before this year. They let their young guys play and work through their struggles while the losses piled up.

The Cavs played rookie Darius Garland 31 MPG (more than Suggs is playing for Orlando right now) and started him every game in 19-20. Garland was absolutely horrible and they won 19 games. They also played 19 year old Kevin Porter big minutes and he was also rotten.

The following season they stuck Okoro straight into the starting lineup and played him almost 33 MPG and he was also really bad like Garland the year before him. The Cavs force fed those two guys and Sexton all huge minutes and only won 22 games.

The Cavs let their young guys (Garland specifically) play a lot and get better, and they did hit a grand slam on Mobley. But *then* they decided to add Jarrett Allen and Lauri Markkanen and Ricky Rubio who became Caris LeVert once the time for tanking was over.

The Magic are on the right track. They're just not as far along in the process as the Cavs were.

Add a top 5 pick this year, and get aggressive adding guys in that 25-27 range at the 2023 trade deadline and offseason.

[Skybox]

I wouldn't focus so much on age so much as the gap in experience, which matters a lot.

The Magic start...

2nd year at PG
Rookie at SG
Rookie at SF
4th year at PF
4th year at C
Combined experience: 12 years

Cavs start...

3rd year at PG
2nd year at SG (and are probably about to be replacing Okoro with 6th year player LeVert)
5th year at SF
Rookie at PF
5th year at C
Combined experience: 16 years (likely about to be 20)

Grizzlies start...

3rd year at PG
2nd year at SG
5th year at SF
4th year at PF
9th year at C
Combined experience: 23 years

A guy like Darius Garland was absolutely terrible as a rookie (-5.5 BPM, sub 50 TS%, -8.9 NET), but now in Year 3 he's an all-star.

He kept developing, kept improving and now he's great. The hope is that you'll see similar type of improvement out of Suggs from this year to year 2 and into year 3.

Morant was never bad, not even as a rookie, but he's still miles better in year 3 than he was in year 1. He was a very good rookie who has turned into an MVP caliber player.

Guys get better with more experience. Hopefully Suggs will do the same.

Agreed!

I think that both cole and suggs are ultimate competitors that are confident in their abilities... and currently to a fault. The game is going to have to slow way down for both of them and they will hopefully stop forcing stuff. I know people are on the fence with fultz and isaac... but to me... they would bring more of a sense of stability even in their youth. Fultz will unlock another level of ball movement and body movement. ie. mo bamba should be a nightly lob threat... and not always fading to the corner or trailing for the 3. And i feel like he literally gets disinterested in the game.... and fades into the shadows as well. Too much do i see players pound the hell out of the ball and end up with a contended 3. We're not going to win like that.

We're basically playing basketball without a point guard. Of course we're gonna lose and our play will look out of whack.

I agree with you that with Fultz back, we will start to look better. Also goes to show that we need depth at PG because there's a difference between having a playmaking guard and a guard that will pass. Cole, Suggs and Hampton are are guards that will pass, but none of them are natural playmakers.

"Combo" guards are a sexy idea these days but you're right on, IMO...BBall requires a true point guard. A secondary ball handler/playmaker is a good thing but we don't have a legit 2 guard on our roster...TRoss is the closest thing. The position used to be called "Shooting Guard" or "Scoring Guard"... no-one sets the table for anyone, and, if they do, the other PG just starts over. A real point guard is very much a QB.

[Knightro]

If you dont believe Anthony is starting point guard we are basically two years behind both Cavs and Griz. We also start 4th center who is basically a bad rookie. A lot can change in two years. Cavs were awful last year.
Draft wont change much but Isaac is key for next year. Change from Bamba to Isaac is like playing with 4 players vs playing with 6 players

Here's how I see it.

The Magic are halfway through tanking Year 2.

They'll add a top 5 pick to the mix. For hypothetical sake let's say its Chet Holmgren.

They'll tank the 22-23 season, but look to add a young veteran in that 23-27 age range using their excess pieces (some combo of Fultz, Anthony, Hampton, Okeke, Chicago 1st, Denver 1st) - think the Hawks adding Capela or the Cavs adding Allen - without messing up their tank.

They'll add another top 5 pick to the mix in 2023. For hypothetical sake let's say it's Scoot Henderson.

Then in the summer of 2023, they'll aggressively sign/trade for a free agents in that 20-25M AAV range and add some other veterans in the $-7M AAV range

Opening Night 2023-2024 Season
G: Henderson, $5-7M FA signing
G: Suggs, $25M 2023 free agent signing
F: Wagner, 2023 trade deadline acquisition
F: Isaac, $5-7M FA signing
C: Holmgren, Carter

And then you can kind of see where this is going at that point.

[MasterGMer]

If you dont believe Anthony is starting point guard we are basically two years behind both Cavs and Griz. We also start 4th center who is basically a bad rookie. A lot can change in two years. Cavs were awful last year.
Draft wont change much but Isaac is key for next year. Change from Bamba to Isaac is like playing with 4 players vs playing with 6 players

Here's how I see it.

The Magic are halfway through tanking Year 2.

They'll add a top 5 pick to the mix. For hypothetical sake let's say its Chet Holmgren.

They'll tank the 22-23 season, but look to add a young veteran in that 23-27 age range using their excess pieces (some combo of Fultz, Anthony, Hampton, Okeke, Chicago 1st, Denver 1st) - think the Hawks adding Capela or the Cavs adding Allen - without messing up their tank.

They'll add another top 5 pick to the mix in 2023. For hypothetical sake let's say it's Scoot Henderson.

Then in the summer of 2023, they'll aggressively sign/trade for a free agents in that 20-25M AAV range and add some other veterans in the $-7M AAV range

Opening Night 2023-2024 Season
G: Henderson, $5-7M FA signing
G: Suggs, $25M 2023 free agent signing
F: Wagner, 2023 trade deadline acquisition
F: Isaac, $5-7M FA signing
C: Holmgren, Carter

And then you can kind of see where this is going at that point.

Seriously? I'd trade one of our FRPs and young assets for some star this trade deadline or the offseason while drafting Top 5.

I am not saying I will expedite the rebuild process. But at least, we won't tank for 2 more years

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If you dont believe Anthony is starting point guard we are basically two years behind both Cavs and Griz. We also start 4th center who is basically a bad rookie. A lot can change in two years. Cavs were awful last year.
Draft wont change much but Isaac is key for next year. Change from Bamba to Isaac is like playing with 4 players vs playing with 6 players

Here's how I see it.

The Magic are halfway through tanking Year 2.

They'll add a top 5 pick to the mix. For hypothetical sake let's say its Chet Holmgren.

They'll tank the 22-23 season, but look to add a young veteran in that 23-27 age range using their excess pieces (some combo of Fultz, Anthony, Hampton, Okeke, Chicago 1st, Denver 1st) - think the Hawks adding Capela or the Cavs adding Allen - without messing up their tank.

They'll add another top 5 pick to the mix in 2023. For hypothetical sake let's say it's Scoot Henderson.

Then in the summer of 2023, they'll aggressively sign/trade for a free agents in that 20-25M AAV range and add some other veterans in the $-7M AAV range

Opening Night 2023-2024 Season
G: Henderson, $5-7M FA signing
G: Suggs, $25M 2023 free agent signing
F: Wagner, 2023 trade deadline acquisition
F: Isaac, $5-7M FA signing
C: Holmgren, Carter

And then you can kind of see where this is going at that point.

Seriously? I'd trade one of our FRPs and young assets for some star this trade deadline or the offseason while drafting Top 5.

I am not saying I will expedite the rebuild process. But at least, we won't tank for 2 more years

Ideally Fultz, Cole, Hampton, and even Isaac could get us some kind of return to pair next to Suggs,Wagner, and the 2022 pick.