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Who do you want us to take at #1?

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Who would you take at #1?

Jabari smith
111
51%
Chet Holmgren
63
29%
Paolo Banchero
27
13%
Jaden Ivey
1
0%
Keegan Murray
1
0%
Shaedon Sharpe
8
4%
Other
5
2%
 
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Post#1041 » by Magic4champ » Sat Jun 4, 2022 10:38 pm

Great reason to take Chet and make the swing for the homerun.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1044 » by RookieStar » Sat Jun 4, 2022 11:03 pm

Tdang.... those are some stick thin arms in that pic
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1045 » by tiderulz » Sat Jun 4, 2022 11:05 pm

we have good defenders on the team, we need offensive stars. Chet to me, isnt an offensive star. He will be a better shooting Marcus Camby. For some reason, im starting to like the idea of Paolo more. I would call up Houston, get #3, #17 and maybe a pick swap or some other asset. Should be able to nab Paolo at 3, then grab say Jalen Williams at 17. use #32 on Wendell Moore, trade #35 or use on a draft and stash.

come out looking like
Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Williams/Moore
WAgner/Williams/Moore
Paolo/Okeke/
WCJ/Mo Wagner

and if Isaac can give you 20 mpg, you get him in for spot minutes to see if he can stay healthy. If JJ Redick can become acceptable on defense, Paolo can do it. He doesnt have to be a star if his offense translates better. depends on his Orlando workout, can his 3 pt shooting improve to truly make him a 3 level scorer. He has the best chance out of the 3 to be a true 3 level scorer.
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Post#1046 » by The-Stallion70 » Sat Jun 4, 2022 11:29 pm

Jabari 1st and Paolo 2nd for me.

Chet's thin frame will be a problem in the NBA until he can gain weight. If he tries to play in the paint at 195 I think there is a chance he could get injured. There was writeup in the Athletic where the scout talked about Arkansas' strategy attacking Chet and said that they wanted to take no floaters and just go right at his body each time. They were successful and got Chet into fpul trouble.

If Chet was like 215 and looked to have a wider frame I think I would take him number 1 but right now I would take Jabari. Slotting in Jabari instead of Bamba in the starting lineup should give us an immediate upgrade and makes me believe that play-in tournament/playoffs are very reachable if we can shore up our guard situation.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1047 » by Nyce_1 » Sat Jun 4, 2022 11:42 pm

tiderulz wrote:we have good defenders on the team, we need offensive stars. Chet to me, isnt an offensive star. He will be a better shooting Marcus Camby. For some reason, im starting to like the idea of Paolo more. I would call up Houston, get #3, #17 and maybe a pick swap or some other asset. Should be able to nab Paolo at 3, then grab say Jalen Williams at 17. use #32 on Wendell Moore, trade #35 or use on a draft and stash.

come out looking like
Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Williams/Moore
WAgner/Williams/Moore
Paolo/Okeke/
WCJ/Mo Wagner

and if Isaac can give you 20 mpg, you get him in for spot minutes to see if he can stay healthy. If JJ Redick can become acceptable on defense, Paolo can do it. He doesnt have to be a star if his offense translates better. depends on his Orlando workout, can his 3 pt shooting improve to truly make him a 3 level scorer. He has the best chance out of the 3 to be a true 3 level scorer.
Do you think Paolo overlaps with Franz?
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1048 » by tiderulz » Sun Jun 5, 2022 12:11 am

Nyce_1 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:we have good defenders on the team, we need offensive stars. Chet to me, isnt an offensive star. He will be a better shooting Marcus Camby. For some reason, im starting to like the idea of Paolo more. I would call up Houston, get #3, #17 and maybe a pick swap or some other asset. Should be able to nab Paolo at 3, then grab say Jalen Williams at 17. use #32 on Wendell Moore, trade #35 or use on a draft and stash.

come out looking like
Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Williams/Moore
WAgner/Williams/Moore
Paolo/Okeke/
WCJ/Mo Wagner

and if Isaac can give you 20 mpg, you get him in for spot minutes to see if he can stay healthy. If JJ Redick can become acceptable on defense, Paolo can do it. He doesnt have to be a star if his offense translates better. depends on his Orlando workout, can his 3 pt shooting improve to truly make him a 3 level scorer. He has the best chance out of the 3 to be a true 3 level scorer.
Do you think Paolo overlaps with Franz?

i think they both are good passers. I think Paolo can work down low strength wise better than Franz. but Paolo has shown he can hit cutters and Franz cutting to the basket can get easy buckets from Paolo.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1049 » by yoyojw17 » Sun Jun 5, 2022 12:15 am

tiderulz wrote:we have good defenders on the team, we need offensive stars. Chet to me, isnt an offensive star. He will be a better shooting Marcus Camby. For some reason, im starting to like the idea of Paolo more. I would call up Houston, get #3, #17 and maybe a pick swap or some other asset. Should be able to nab Paolo at 3, then grab say Jalen Williams at 17. use #32 on Wendell Moore, trade #35 or use on a draft and stash.

come out looking like
Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Williams/Moore
WAgner/Williams/Moore
Paolo/Okeke/
WCJ/Mo Wagner

and if Isaac can give you 20 mpg, you get him in for spot minutes to see if he can stay healthy. If JJ Redick can become acceptable on defense, Paolo can do it. He doesnt have to be a star if his offense translates better. depends on his Orlando workout, can his 3 pt shooting improve to truly make him a 3 level scorer. He has the best chance out of the 3 to be a true 3 level scorer.


Chet is much more than a shooting marcus camby... really doubt Camby could do 1/4 of what chet brings to the table on the offensive end.

If Isaac is healthy.... that guy is more than a spot minute player. Personally... i think he might be one of our most important players when healthy... and changes the dynamics of the entire team. Jabari/Chet + healthy Isaac would make one of the hardest teams to score on in the entire league. not sure who all starts .... but at the end of the game when you need stops.... those tandems with our other pieces is dangerous. I do also think that Paolo will be at least a net 0 on the defensive end. lol. But players like isaac would help continue masking the deficiencies... and help the team balance out as a player like paolo keeps the offense churning on all cylinders!

Chet is still my personal fave... but i can see how any of the top 6.... including ivy, sharpe, and murray can help.... outside of the the top 3 bigs that i expect the most to be chosen at 1 at least.
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Post#1050 » by Nyce_1 » Sun Jun 5, 2022 12:21 am

tiderulz wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:we have good defenders on the team, we need offensive stars. Chet to me, isnt an offensive star. He will be a better shooting Marcus Camby. For some reason, im starting to like the idea of Paolo more. I would call up Houston, get #3, #17 and maybe a pick swap or some other asset. Should be able to nab Paolo at 3, then grab say Jalen Williams at 17. use #32 on Wendell Moore, trade #35 or use on a draft and stash.

come out looking like
Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Williams/Moore
WAgner/Williams/Moore
Paolo/Okeke/
WCJ/Mo Wagner

and if Isaac can give you 20 mpg, you get him in for spot minutes to see if he can stay healthy. If JJ Redick can become acceptable on defense, Paolo can do it. He doesnt have to be a star if his offense translates better. depends on his Orlando workout, can his 3 pt shooting improve to truly make him a 3 level scorer. He has the best chance out of the 3 to be a true 3 level scorer.
Do you think Paolo overlaps with Franz?

i think they both are good passers. I think Paolo can work down low strength wise better than Franz. but Paolo has shown he can hit cutters and Franz cutting to the basket can get easy buckets from Paolo.
Good point. I'm warming up to Paolo.
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Re: Who do you want us to take at #1? 

Post#1051 » by SOUL » Sun Jun 5, 2022 12:39 am

thelead wrote:THIS is why it’s a weak draft. None of the top 3 guys consistently elevated their teams play. We know Jabari’s limitations. Chet did not LEAD the team and I kind of knock him for going to Gonzaga where he never had the chance to be the team’s #1 option. And while Paolo did impress in the tournament, his team was stack and more often than not ‘the others’ as a collective were leading the way (between Roach, Moore, Keels, Williams, and AJ). We’re splitting hairs at this point to pick our favorite.


College doesn't really work like that though. That's why most championship winning NCAA teams have 4-5 NBA guys working together with some juniors/seniors that are steady. True freshman phenoms can't really make their mark because of being one-and-done and their legacies are just one year of (most likely) a decent but failed tournament run. There are exceptions but I think that's more with talent and less with a freshman leading a team the way you'd like to see it.

The weakness in the draft is that no one is an easily identifiable star. Different pluses and minuses which makes it more of a gamble, but the talent is still decently high imo.
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Post#1053 » by VFX » Sun Jun 5, 2022 3:25 am

Magic4champ wrote:Great reason to take Chet and make the swing for the homerun.


I don’t disagree with his assessments on Paolo or Jabari. I just didn’t hear anything that sells Chet other than he’s “a unique prospect” and he’s long.

I don’t know how Chet is going to be utilized in a half court offense, which is what Orlando lacks. That’s great he can run the floor and dunk over 95% of college and high school players in transition. That’s not happening in the nba as often as people want to believe. His shooting numbers were fine from spot ups and he wasnt an iso player. Just a hard sell for a Marcus Camby /Troy Murphy hybrid as an overall #1 “can’t miss” pick. That isn’t to say Jabari and Paolo ARE that guy really either.

However, I know exactly how Paolo and Jabari will be utilized even before factoring in any kind of development. Orlando was already in the top half of the league in defense, without Isaac, and at the very bottom on offense. To not factor any of that into the equation is kind of ridiculous.
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Post#1054 » by tiderulz » Sun Jun 5, 2022 3:29 am

yoyojw17 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:we have good defenders on the team, we need offensive stars. Chet to me, isnt an offensive star. He will be a better shooting Marcus Camby. For some reason, im starting to like the idea of Paolo more. I would call up Houston, get #3, #17 and maybe a pick swap or some other asset. Should be able to nab Paolo at 3, then grab say Jalen Williams at 17. use #32 on Wendell Moore, trade #35 or use on a draft and stash.

come out looking like
Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Williams/Moore
WAgner/Williams/Moore
Paolo/Okeke/
WCJ/Mo Wagner

and if Isaac can give you 20 mpg, you get him in for spot minutes to see if he can stay healthy. If JJ Redick can become acceptable on defense, Paolo can do it. He doesnt have to be a star if his offense translates better. depends on his Orlando workout, can his 3 pt shooting improve to truly make him a 3 level scorer. He has the best chance out of the 3 to be a true 3 level scorer.


Chet is much more than a shooting marcus camby... really doubt Camby could do 1/4 of what chet brings to the table on the offensive end.

If Isaac is healthy.... that guy is more than a spot minute player. Personally... i think he might be one of our most important players when healthy... and changes the dynamics of the entire team. Jabari/Chet + healthy Isaac would make one of the hardest teams to score on in the entire league. not sure who all starts .... but at the end of the game when you need stops.... those tandems with our other pieces is dangerous. I do also think that Paolo will be at least a net 0 on the defensive end. lol. But players like isaac would help continue masking the deficiencies... and help the team balance out as a player like paolo keeps the offense churning on all cylinders!

Chet is still my personal fave... but i can see how any of the top 6.... including ivy, sharpe, and murray can help.... outside of the the top 3 bigs that i expect the most to be chosen at 1 at least.

A healhty Isaac to me is a mythical unicorn. I havent seen him play in 2 years and wont believe he will be back until i see him on the court.
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Post#1055 » by RookieStar » Sun Jun 5, 2022 4:36 am

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Post#1056 » by thelead » Sun Jun 5, 2022 4:38 am

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thelead wrote:THIS is why it’s a weak draft. None of the top 3 guys consistently elevated their teams play. We know Jabari’s limitations. Chet did not LEAD the team and I kind of knock him for going to Gonzaga where he never had the chance to be the team’s #1 option. And while Paolo did impress in the tournament, his team was stack and more often than not ‘the others’ as a collective were leading the way (between Roach, Moore, Keels, Williams, and AJ). We’re splitting hairs at this point to pick our favorite.


College doesn't really work like that though. That's why most championship winning NCAA teams have 4-5 NBA guys working together with some juniors/seniors that are steady. True freshman phenoms can't really make their mark because of being one-and-done and their legacies are just one year of (most likely) a decent but failed tournament run. There are exceptions but I think that's more with talent and less with a freshman leading a team the way you'd like to see it.

The weakness in the draft is that no one is an easily identifiable star. Different pluses and minuses which makes it more of a gamble, but the talent is still decently high imo.

I don't care if the college star wins with the help of 7 other 5 star recruits. When you have the number 1 pick you want to see these type of dominant game logs along with winning (which means leading the team):

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kevin-durant-1/gamelog/2007/
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/anthony-davis-5/gamelog/2012/
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/zion-williamson-1/gamelog/2019/

But every draft is different and it looks like we're a bit unlucky with this draft. No one can say that they have any level of confidence that any of the top 3 guys have a good shot at being an MVP candidate. That's not to say that no one in this draft wont or that other drafts haven't been similar (2020 is the most recent example) but things aren't easy/cut and dry for us. At the end of the day, I don't care who they draft. Hell, they could draft Sharpe for all I care. As long as Sharpe ends up being the best player in the draft, that's all that matters. And for the record, I wouldn't draft Sharpe in the top 5 based on what I've seen but of course, we don't have access to what NBA teams and their scouts have access to. Jabari, Chet, Paolo. I don't care. Just get it right.
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Post#1057 » by Magic4champ » Sun Jun 5, 2022 7:26 am

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Magic4champ wrote:Great reason to take Chet and make the swing for the homerun.


I don’t disagree with his assessments on Paolo or Jabari. I just didn’t hear anything that sells Chet other than he’s “a unique prospect” and he’s long.

I don’t know how Chet is going to be utilized in a half court offense, which is what Orlando lacks. That’s great he can run the floor and dunk over 95% of college and high school players in transition. That’s not happening in the nba as often as people want to believe. His shooting numbers were fine from spot ups and he wasnt an iso player. Just a hard sell for a Marcus Camby /Troy Murphy hybrid as an overall #1 “can’t miss” pick. That isn’t to say Jabari and Paolo ARE that guy really either.

However, I know exactly how Paolo and Jabari will be utilized even before factoring in any kind of development. Orlando was already in the top half of the league in defense, without Isaac, and at the very bottom on offense. To not factor any of that into the equation is kind of ridiculous.

He can be utilize as someone who can initiate a half court offense on top with WcJ on the block.
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Post#1058 » by Blue_and_Whte » Sun Jun 5, 2022 1:14 pm

tiderulz wrote:we have good defenders on the team, we need offensive stars. Chet to me, isnt an offensive star. He will be a better shooting Marcus Camby. For some reason, im starting to like the idea of Paolo more. I would call up Houston, get #3, #17 and maybe a pick swap or some other asset. Should be able to nab Paolo at 3, then grab say Jalen Williams at 17. use #32 on Wendell Moore, trade #35 or use on a draft and stash.

come out looking like
Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Williams/Moore
WAgner/Williams/Moore
Paolo/Okeke/
WCJ/Mo Wagner

and if Isaac can give you 20 mpg, you get him in for spot minutes to see if he can stay healthy. If JJ Redick can become acceptable on defense, Paolo can do it. He doesnt have to be a star if his offense translates better. depends on his Orlando workout, can his 3 pt shooting improve to truly make him a 3 level scorer. He has the best chance out of the 3 to be a true 3 level scorer.
While we agree on Banchero A better shooting Marcus Camby is an awful comp for Chet. Come on man. Camby didn’t possess a fraction of the skills Chet has right now.

I think Orlando needs a primary scorer. When I think of Smith I see him as a high level complimentary player. Potentially making some All Star teams but not a guy you necessarily feature as your primary player.

For years I said that this last iteration of the Magic with Vooch and Fournier was built backwards. We had good complimentary piece s that you put around a star. I don’t want the team to paint themselves into a corner like that again. Being too good to get a high pick but not good enough to be a real threat in the PO’s.

What puts Banchero ahead of Chet is his polished scoring game. You can give him the ball and IMO he’ll get you buckets.
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Post#1059 » by tiderulz » Sun Jun 5, 2022 1:26 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
tiderulz wrote:we have good defenders on the team, we need offensive stars. Chet to me, isnt an offensive star. He will be a better shooting Marcus Camby. For some reason, im starting to like the idea of Paolo more. I would call up Houston, get #3, #17 and maybe a pick swap or some other asset. Should be able to nab Paolo at 3, then grab say Jalen Williams at 17. use #32 on Wendell Moore, trade #35 or use on a draft and stash.

come out looking like
Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Williams/Moore
WAgner/Williams/Moore
Paolo/Okeke/
WCJ/Mo Wagner

and if Isaac can give you 20 mpg, you get him in for spot minutes to see if he can stay healthy. If JJ Redick can become acceptable on defense, Paolo can do it. He doesnt have to be a star if his offense translates better. depends on his Orlando workout, can his 3 pt shooting improve to truly make him a 3 level scorer. He has the best chance out of the 3 to be a true 3 level scorer.
While we agree on Banchero A better shooting Marcus Camby is an awful comp for Chet. Come on man. Camby didn’t possess a fraction of the skills Chet has right now.

I think Orlando needs a primary scorer. When I think of Smith I see him as a high level complimentary player. Potentially making some All Star teams but not a guy you necessarily feature as your primary player.

For years I said that this last iteration of the Magic with Vooch and Fournier was built backwards. We had good complimentary piece s that you put around a star. I don’t want the team to paint themselves into a corner like that again. Being too good to get a high pick but not good enough to be a real threat in the PO’s.

What puts Banchero ahead of Chet is his polished scoring game. You can give him the ball and IMO he’ll get you buckets.

ok, Camby didnt have the offensive skills Chet shows, but i do believe he was very close to defensive skills. I agree with you on Smith. I also see him as that complimentary player.
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Post#1060 » by yoyojw17 » Sun Jun 5, 2022 2:29 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:
tiderulz wrote:we have good defenders on the team, we need offensive stars. Chet to me, isnt an offensive star. He will be a better shooting Marcus Camby. For some reason, im starting to like the idea of Paolo more. I would call up Houston, get #3, #17 and maybe a pick swap or some other asset. Should be able to nab Paolo at 3, then grab say Jalen Williams at 17. use #32 on Wendell Moore, trade #35 or use on a draft and stash.

come out looking like
Fultz/Cole
Suggs/Williams/Moore
WAgner/Williams/Moore
Paolo/Okeke/
WCJ/Mo Wagner

and if Isaac can give you 20 mpg, you get him in for spot minutes to see if he can stay healthy. If JJ Redick can become acceptable on defense, Paolo can do it. He doesnt have to be a star if his offense translates better. depends on his Orlando workout, can his 3 pt shooting improve to truly make him a 3 level scorer. He has the best chance out of the 3 to be a true 3 level scorer.
While we agree on Banchero A better shooting Marcus Camby is an awful comp for Chet. Come on man. Camby didn’t possess a fraction of the skills Chet has right now.

I think Orlando needs a primary scorer. When I think of Smith I see him as a high level complimentary player. Potentially making some All Star teams but not a guy you necessarily feature as your primary player.

For years I said that this last iteration of the Magic with Vooch and Fournier was built backwards. We had good complimentary piece s that you put around a star. I don’t want the team to paint themselves into a corner like that again. Being too good to get a high pick but not good enough to be a real threat in the PO’s.

What puts Banchero ahead of Chet is his polished scoring game. You can give him the ball and IMO he’ll get you buckets.

ok, Camby didnt have the offensive skills Chet shows, but i do believe he was very close to defensive skills. I agree with you on Smith. I also see him as that complimentary player.


I'm just impressed by Chet's effect on the floor. The guy makes a difference on both ends of the court ... though yes... he didn't have to score as much. His offensive rating was great than Timme who the offense was built around.... and his defensive rating was on another level than anyone else in college basketball. People get enamoured with paolo's scoring at 17+ points a game... and chet's 14 is "meh"... though he's taking 4-5 less shots a game and his usage is far less. All this while just doing what he needed to do for the team to win... and suppressing things we have seen him do in highschool and showing flashes in college. Yes... a go to scorer would be awesome.... and he has talents to be that kind of player. But.... at the minimum.... his overall play is a catalyst to winning.

now... as i've said before... i'm just saying all this to say that we should not take a blind eye to the potential he has. And if we choose differently .... i believe that the FO is trying to have the player with the best projected future.... and we just have to hope that all the research and analysis , which we don't have access to, makes them find the player with the most potential. So... if it's jabari, chet, paolo, ivey, sharpe, murray....etc... we know they did it for a reason and hope that it comes to fruition.

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