Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread

[KillMonger]

got this from reddit....really like the turnovers going down

[GelbeWand09]

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Great. it's almost like he plays 14 mpg once a week, and is only capable of playing one side of the floor . Oh, that's execlly a case

There is so much overreaction about what he does that it's hilarious.

If he plays even close to what normal nba player is playing and has to care about stuff normal nba players care about ( fatigue, cumulative fatigue, foul troubles, offense etc) his impact would be much lower. But he has nothing to worry about, knowing if he plays 100% for all 4 min, he will get week off to recover.

Check the defensive stats with or without him. There is no overrating. He and Gobert are the only players who give you a top 6 defense no matter who they play with. He was as impactful when played more minutes too. Last season before his looooong injury we were a top 5 defense with statistically 2 of the 5 worst defenders starting in the whole leaque in Evan & DJ + a average & super limited defender in Vuc. After his injury we were around 20th in defensive rating, despite having the easiest schedule in the leaque.

There is no guy who can defend the wing & the post like him combined. He got the typical shotblocking intimidating effect, that stops players from driving to the hoop. A stat thats not measured in individual stats. But this effect have all elite shotblockers. He is the ONLY one in the whole leaque who got the same effect on wing scorers. The Spurs Kawhi effect. Just rewatch games against Lakers, Suns some days ago or the Boston game. Superstar wings are passing the ball without trying to score & to create for teammates & give the ball to worse players, just because Isaac defends them. Why? Its normal reaction. Nobody is used being guarded by a legit 7fter on the wing who can stay in front of you & go OVER screens like a guard. Just watch the Suns game how Isaac went over the screens guarding Durant & making him pass the ball without trying to score or create.

There is NO player in the leaque who got the shotblocking intimidating effect & that effect on wing scorers. Thats why his defense is so impactful & unique. He isnt exploitable like Gobert. You can play Isaac against every team & every matchup.

As the newest example. Just ask Towns how the difference is to play the Magic with & without him.

[zaymon]

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Great. it's almost like he plays 14 mpg once a week, and is only capable of playing one side of the floor . Oh, that's execlly a case

There is so much overreaction about what he does that it's hilarious.

If he plays even close to what normal nba player is playing and has to care about stuff normal nba players care about ( fatigue, cumulative fatigue, foul troubles, offense etc) his impact would be much lower. But he has nothing to worry about, knowing if he plays 100% for all 4 min, he will get week off to recover.

Check the defensive stats with or without him. There is no overrating. He and Gobert are the only players who give you a top 6 defense no matter who they play with. He was as impactful when played more minutes too. Last season before his looooong injury we were a top 5 defense with statistically 2 of the 5 worst defenders starting in the whole leaque in Evan & DJ + a average & super limited defender in Vuc. After his injury we were around 20th in defensive rating, despite having the easiest schedule in the leaque.

There is no guy who can defend the wing & the post like him combined. He got the typical shotblocking intimidating effect, that stops players from driving to the hoop. A stat thats not measured in individual stats. But this effect have all elite shotblockers. He is the ONLY one in the whole leaque who got the same effect on wing scorers. The Spurs Kawhi effect. Just rewatch games against Lakers, Suns some days ago or the Boston game. Superstar wings are passing the ball without trying to score & to create for teammates & give the ball to worse players, just because Isaac defends them. Why? Its normal reaction. Nobody is used being guarded by a legit 7fter on the wing who can stay in front of you & go OVER screens like a guard. Just watch the Suns game how Isaac went over the screens guarding Durant & making him pass the ball without trying to score or create.

There is NO player in the leaque who got the shotblocking intimidating effect & that effect on wing scorers. Thats why his defense is so impactful & unique. He isnt exploitable like Gobert. You can play Isaac against every team & every matchup.

As the newest example. Just ask Towns how the difference is to play the Magic with & without him.

I am.saying it for years it would be stupid to give up on JI becouse he is too unique. You wont find a player like him becouse there is no player like him in the league. You have to live with his injuries but to have a chance to win a championship we need a one healthy run in the playoffs. Even if its 25% its still a lot more than finding another player like him. Sime math. We will also get him on a discount. Miami could pay for Haslem and we cant for JI ? Thats just silly.

[pepe1991]

Great. it's almost like he plays 14 mpg once a week, and is only capable of playing one side of the floor . Oh, that's execlly a case

There is so much overreaction about what he does that it's hilarious.

If he plays even close to what normal nba player is playing and has to care about stuff normal nba players care about ( fatigue, cumulative fatigue, foul troubles, offense etc) his impact would be much lower. But he has nothing to worry about, knowing if he plays 100% for all 4 min, he will get week off to recover.

Check the defensive stats with or without him. There is no overrating. He and Gobert are the only players who give you a top 6 defense no matter who they play with. He was as impactful when played more minutes too. Last season before his looooong injury we were a top 5 defense with statistically 2 of the 5 worst defenders starting in the whole leaque in Evan & DJ + a average & super limited defender in Vuc. After his injury we were around 20th in defensive rating, despite having the easiest schedule in the leaque.

There is no guy who can defend the wing & the post like him combined. He got the typical shotblocking intimidating effect, that stops players from driving to the hoop. A stat thats not measured in individual stats. But this effect have all elite shotblockers. He is the ONLY one in the whole leaque who got the same effect on wing scorers. The Spurs Kawhi effect. Just rewatch games against Lakers, Suns some days ago or the Boston game. Superstar wings are passing the ball without trying to score & to create for teammates & give the ball to worse players, just because Isaac defends them. Why? Its normal reaction. Nobody is used being guarded by a legit 7fter on the wing who can stay in front of you & go OVER screens like a guard. Just watch the Suns game how Isaac went over the screens guarding Durant & making him pass the ball without trying to score or create.

There is NO player in the leaque who got the shotblocking intimidating effect & that effect on wing scorers. Thats why his defense is so impactful & unique. He isnt exploitable like Gobert. You can play Isaac against every team & every matchup.

As the newest example. Just ask Towns how the difference is to play the Magic with & without him.

I am.saying it for years it would be stupid to give up on JI becouse he is too unique. You wont find a player like him becouse there is no player like him in the league. You have to live with his injuries but to have a chance to win a championship we need a one healthy run in the playoffs. Even if its 25% its still a lot more than finding another player like him. Sime math. We will also get him on a discount. Miami could pay for Haslem and we cant for JI ? Thats just silly.

Tell all that to yourself once he rolls ankle and missed 2 years for it.
He is highest payed player on a team as it is.
He won't magically become healthy entering his late 20s or early 30s.

[zaymon]

Check the defensive stats with or without him. There is no overrating. He and Gobert are the only players who give you a top 6 defense no matter who they play with. He was as impactful when played more minutes too. Last season before his looooong injury we were a top 5 defense with statistically 2 of the 5 worst defenders starting in the whole leaque in Evan & DJ + a average & super limited defender in Vuc. After his injury we were around 20th in defensive rating, despite having the easiest schedule in the leaque.

There is no guy who can defend the wing & the post like him combined. He got the typical shotblocking intimidating effect, that stops players from driving to the hoop. A stat thats not measured in individual stats. But this effect have all elite shotblockers. He is the ONLY one in the whole leaque who got the same effect on wing scorers. The Spurs Kawhi effect. Just rewatch games against Lakers, Suns some days ago or the Boston game. Superstar wings are passing the ball without trying to score & to create for teammates & give the ball to worse players, just because Isaac defends them. Why? Its normal reaction. Nobody is used being guarded by a legit 7fter on the wing who can stay in front of you & go OVER screens like a guard. Just watch the Suns game how Isaac went over the screens guarding Durant & making him pass the ball without trying to score or create.

There is NO player in the leaque who got the shotblocking intimidating effect & that effect on wing scorers. Thats why his defense is so impactful & unique. He isnt exploitable like Gobert. You can play Isaac against every team & every matchup.

As the newest example. Just ask Towns how the difference is to play the Magic with & without him.

I am.saying it for years it would be stupid to give up on JI becouse he is too unique. You wont find a player like him becouse there is no player like him in the league. You have to live with his injuries but to have a chance to win a championship we need a one healthy run in the playoffs. Even if its 25% its still a lot more than finding another player like him. Sime math. We will also get him on a discount. Miami could pay for Haslem and we cant for JI ? Thats just silly.

Tell all that to yourself once he rolls ankle and missed 2 years for it.
He is highest payed player on a team as it is.
He won't magically become healthy entering his late 20s or early 30s.

Reward worth the risk. We need to make moves to win and you want not to lose.
He wont be highest payed for long. You prefer 13M for 82 games of Cole or 40 games and playoffs every other year of JI ? We wont win with healthy but average players.

[SOUL]

His contract isn't really a real argument though. He's worth it when he plays, and it's full of stipulations and lets the Magic get off of it easily if his injuries do become a factor.

Contracts become bad IF... the player is clearly not worth impact or talent wise from one fluke year (Biyombo, Mozgov), unmovable because of how big it is (but even then we've seen people like Wall get traded), or if that contract is hindering the ability to sign free agents (lol) or you're having to pay luxury tax.

He's just kind of a guy we had to pay while our young guys matured.

Now, we'll have to be smart with our contracts going forward, but it hasn't had an affect before this.

[pepe1991]

I am.saying it for years it would be stupid to give up on JI becouse he is too unique. You wont find a player like him becouse there is no player like him in the league. You have to live with his injuries but to have a chance to win a championship we need a one healthy run in the playoffs. Even if its 25% its still a lot more than finding another player like him. Sime math. We will also get him on a discount. Miami could pay for Haslem and we cant for JI ? Thats just silly.

Tell all that to yourself once he rolls ankle and missed 2 years for it.
He is highest payed player on a team as it is.
He won't magically become healthy entering his late 20s or early 30s.

Reward worth the risk. We need to make moves to win and you want not to lose.
He wont be highest payed for long. You prefer 13M for 82 games of Cole or 40 games and playoffs every other year of JI ? We wont win with healthy but average players.

We resigned him on December 21st, 2020.
He played 41 games in 3 years during 3/4 years exstension.

Idea that he is payed cheap is hilarious.

This is list of players who make similar money:
Dejounte Murray
Duncan Robinson
Colin Sexton
Lauri Markannen
OG
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Marcus Smart
Harrison Barnes

so yea, vast majority of them are more impactful than him. Some from sheer fact they are better at basketball, others -because they don't have habbit of missing 3 years in a row during exstension.

Luxury would be having contending team that is contender no matter does he play or not. It's not luxury to have him, if you are in desparate need for him to play in order to make playoffs.

[basketballRob]

Tell all that to yourself once he rolls ankle and missed 2 years for it.
He is highest payed player on a team as it is.
He won't magically become healthy entering his late 20s or early 30s.

Reward worth the risk. We need to make moves to win and you want not to lose.
He wont be highest payed for long. You prefer 13M for 82 games of Cole or 40 games and playoffs every other year of JI ? We wont win with healthy but average players.

We resigned him on December 21st, 2020.
He played 41 games in 3 years during 3/4 years exstension.

Idea that he is payed cheap is hilarious.

This is list of players who make similar money:
Dejounte Murray
Duncan Robinson
Colin Sexton
Lauri Markannen
OG
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Marcus Smart
Harrison Barnes

so yea, vast majority of them are more impactful than him. Some from sheer fact they are better at basketball, others -because they don't have habbit of missing 3 years in a row during exstension.

Luxury would be having contending team that is contender no matter does he play or not. It's not luxury to have him, if you are in desparate need for him to play in order to make playoffs.

Isaac was the difference in winning last night. You can't see it in the boxscore, but we played Wendell, Isaac, Banchero, Franz, and Suggs the last 8 minutes, and that was the difference. Minnesota didn't know what to do on Isaac. Isaac has been worth his contract this season.

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[SOUL]

I mean, just on a singular level of making it very hard for the other team's best players in the last week:

Durant couldn't do much against him
Doncic was lost in the first 8 minutes in Dallas
Wemby had trouble navigating Isaac
Kat struggled massively in the 4th

If you're getting only a certain amount of minutes out of him, what more can you really want out of a low minute player (outside of some offense as well, where he can at least pitch in sometimes).

[Knightro]

Death
Taxes
Pepe’s “well actually” routine when somebody gets excited about anything

The only three constants in life

[basketballRob]

I mean, just on a singular level of making it very hard for the other team's best players in the last week:

Durant couldn't do much against him
Doncic was lost in the first 8 minutes in Dallas
Wemby had trouble navigating Isaac
Kat struggled massively in the 4th

If you're getting only a certain amount of minutes out of him, what more can you really want out of a low minute player (outside of some offense as well, where he can at least pitch in sometimes).

He scored 1 basket last night, and it may have been the biggest one of the night. He flew in on an offensive rebound and putback between the whole Wolves team. That put us up like 4 with 2 minutes left.

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[Skybox]

Isaac is a luxury that ORL can afford for now. We have so many expiring salaries, we likely don’t have to include him in a big trade for a guy like Murray. The fact that makes $17m doesn’t really matter yet. If a REALLY big opportunity presents now or this summer, I’d absolutely consider waiving or including Isaac in the deal…because we just can’t bank on his reliability. But, for now, until proven otherwise, he’s an amazing specialist who doesn’t really limit our options…when those huge rookie extensions start kicking in - the math might be very different.

Suggs and Black are great defenders but Isaac can absolutely dominate a game without scoring 5 pts. Let’s just hope he remains healthy & available. I still feel like this season is ‘make or break’ for him and, for today at least, he’s working out. We know very well that it could change overnight.

[tiderulz]

Reward worth the risk. We need to make moves to win and you want not to lose.
He wont be highest payed for long. You prefer 13M for 82 games of Cole or 40 games and playoffs every other year of JI ? We wont win with healthy but average players.

We resigned him on December 21st, 2020.
He played 41 games in 3 years during 3/4 years exstension.

Idea that he is payed cheap is hilarious.

This is list of players who make similar money:
Dejounte Murray
Duncan Robinson
Colin Sexton
Lauri Markannen
OG
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Marcus Smart
Harrison Barnes

so yea, vast majority of them are more impactful than him. Some from sheer fact they are better at basketball, others -because they don't have habbit of missing 3 years in a row during exstension.

Luxury would be having contending team that is contender no matter does he play or not. It's not luxury to have him, if you are in desparate need for him to play in order to make playoffs.

Isaac was the difference in winning last night. You can't see it in the boxscore, but we played Wendell, Isaac, Banchero, Franz, and Suggs the last 8 minutes, and that was the difference. Minnesota didn't know what to do on Isaac. Isaac has been worth his contract this season.

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1 or 2 games doesnt invalidate the lack of games played and lack of minutes played. if he is signed to a $10mil/yr deal as a bench defensive specialist, then fine. but we cant be paying big money for a player with his injury issues

[Skybox]

We resigned him on December 21st, 2020.
He played 41 games in 3 years during 3/4 years exstension.

Idea that he is payed cheap is hilarious.

This is list of players who make similar money:
Dejounte Murray
Duncan Robinson
Colin Sexton
Lauri Markannen
OG
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Marcus Smart
Harrison Barnes

so yea, vast majority of them are more impactful than him. Some from sheer fact they are better at basketball, others -because they don't have habbit of missing 3 years in a row during exstension.

Luxury would be having contending team that is contender no matter does he play or not. It's not luxury to have him, if you are in desparate need for him to play in order to make playoffs.

Isaac was the difference in winning last night. You can't see it in the boxscore, but we played Wendell, Isaac, Banchero, Franz, and Suggs the last 8 minutes, and that was the difference. Minnesota didn't know what to do on Isaac. Isaac has been worth his contract this season.

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1 or 2 games doesnt invalidate the lack of games played and lack of minutes played. if he is signed to a $10mil/yr deal as a bench defensive specialist, then fine. but we ant be paying big money for a player with his injury issues

Yes we already are, and if he remains healthy, there’s zero chance we waive his un-guaranteed next season. He’s not eligible for a renegotiation until AFTER next season…if he stays healthy and keeps playing well-nobody should harbor any fantasies about some reduced ‘gratitude’ deal…that just doesn’t happen. The only way he makes less is coming off another injury or waiver (which wouldn’t be with ORL).

[orlando_joe]

i know one thing if isaac makes it thru season gets his min to 17 min right now at 14 so would take playing 20 a game and gets to 50 -55 games at 31 right now magic will guarantee his contract with hope he can get to 65 games and 23 -25 min next season
as much as some do not want him

[orlando_joe]

Tell all that to yourself once he rolls ankle and missed 2 years for it.
He is highest payed player on a team as it is.
He won't magically become healthy entering his late 20s or early 30s.

Reward worth the risk. We need to make moves to win and you want not to lose.
He wont be highest payed for long. You prefer 13M for 82 games of Cole or 40 games and playoffs every other year of JI ? We wont win with healthy but average players.

We resigned him on December 21st, 2020.
He played 41 games in 3 years during 3/4 years exstension.

Idea that he is payed cheap is hilarious.

This is list of players who make similar money:
Dejounte Murray
Duncan Robinson
Colin Sexton
Lauri Markannen
OG
Bogdan Bogdanovic
Marcus Smart
Harrison Barnes

so yea, vast majority of them are more impactful than him. Some from sheer fact they are better at basketball, others -because they don't have habbit of missing 3 years in a row during exstension.

Luxury would be having contending team that is contender no matter does he play or not. It's not luxury to have him, if you are in desparate need for him to play in order to make playoffs.

why are you listing best at that contract
why no fournier or bertans ect...ect...
17 on magic this yr is not team killer contract they could have waived him a couple weeks ago for 7 mill? i am glad they did not

[fendilim]

His contract isn't really a real argument though. He's worth it when he plays, and it's full of stipulations and lets the Magic get off of it easily if his injuries do become a factor.

Contracts become bad IF... the player is clearly not worth impact or talent wise from one fluke year (Biyombo, Mozgov), unmovable because of how big it is (but even then we've seen people like Wall get traded), or if that contract is hindering the ability to sign free agents (lol) or you're having to pay luxury tax.

He's just kind of a guy we had to pay while our young guys matured.

Now, we'll have to be smart with our contracts going forward, but it hasn't had an affect before this.

Contracts are basically a reward for what players showed the previous year/s. His contract just didn’t age well given the injuries after.

Whenever he plays, he is worth every single penny of it. And was certainly worth it when we signed him that extension because we were trying to compete at that time.

[basketballRob]

When Isaac plays, we're 19-12. A lot of those games we were shorthanded. We have 33 games left. If we're healthy and Isaac plays all of them, I could see us finishing 20-13 or even higher. Hopefully, that will clinch a 6th seed. I want to have a guaranteed 7 game series.

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[VFX]

As annoyed I am by the "Isaac circus" regarding how they are handling his minutes...

Yeah he's a difference maker and can be the factor that changes the outcomes of most games.

Thats both a good and bad thing... Why? Because what does this team actually accomplish if Isaac played real minutes every night? We will never know. Probably because he would be out for the season by Christmas.

[pepe1991]

Death
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To this date, he played 41 out of 285 games since he signed exstension.

"He is difference maker". Sure, in all 14% of games he was able to suit up. Nevermind fact he has min restrictions even in those 14% of games when he is actually aveliable.

He is great defender when he plays. For 14min a game. 14% of time.

I really don't want to get deep into this, so i'll leave at this.
Things would be different if we are great team and he is just cherry on top of cake, in reality, when he is out we are pretty meh team. So you *need* him to play, but he also- can't, nor you can't rely on him.