Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0

[RichCollab]

So simple…

This should have happened already. Murray fits a glaring need (offensive PG) and a coach Mosely requirement (defensive effort & ability). The only offers I hear (LAL) are relatively weak…ORL is uniquely positioned with large expirings and all of their own picks plus an additional DEN frp. The core is very young and hitting some success just before large extensions will be hitting…now is the time to take a big step to pump up their weak backcourt offense with a guy who also can up their already potent defense. ORL should be happy to sit out a couple drafts…they pulled in 5 high picks in the last 3 years…ATL should jump on this while there’s still time to flip assets by this trade deadline - and accelerate their retooling.

ORL sends: Markelle Fultz, Gary Harris (both expiring, both 6’4, 205+, defensive-minded players), ORL 24, ORL 27, DEN 25 (all top 5 protected)

ATL sends: Dejounte Murray, AJ Griffin

*tough to send 3 frps for Murray, but adding Paolo’s college teammate, Griffin (who’s been out of the rotation), makes it palatable. Fultz and Harris are very solid, but limited in what they bring- either or both could actually do well with Trae and/or off the bench. At the very least, they represent about $30m in expiring salary for ATL to work with- which, along with picks, is what I understand ATL to be seeking. If ATL would prefer some young, under contract, less expensive players mixed in - Wendell Carter could make Capela expendable, Cole Anthony could provide a lesser Trae off the bench, Caleb Houstan might well provide what Griffin projects to be at a lower salary. Or, ORL could add Ingles & Okeke (TO & expiring) and take back Bogdonavic. The posted option is my preference for ORL and, I believe what ATL is prioritizing…before ATL fans say they don’t want Fultz or Harris - let me remind them that they are included strictly as expiring salary in my OP…anything they bring on-court is just added value gravy, IMO. If ATL chooses to keep either (likely on reduced deals) or flip either to a contender…that’s just bonus.

Why for ORL: their backcourt defense goes from impactful to frightening. Suggs’ insane energy revitalizes Dejounte’s defensive intensity and they become a truly angry backcourt to face. Anthony Black off the bench keeps it going all game. Dejounte also brings the backcourt scoring and volume shooting ORL presently lacks at that spot. Griffin brings positional versatility and high-volume spot-up 3’s (which are abundant with Paolo & Franz’ gravity inside). Paolo is pumped to be relieved of facing double and triple teams all night and piles up assists with reliable backcourt scoring. He welcomes reuniting with his hometown hero and his college teammate. The “beef” that Paolo & Dejounte had was way overblown and happily forgotten by both. Paolo is icy on the outside, but along with Suggs & Franz, he feeds off of a guy like Dejounte’s hard edges & competitive ferocity.

If Dejounte goes to LAL for Russell and some distant crappy pick, I will never understand it.

Griffin is an often injured player. DJM is questionable mentality and isn’t a great 3pt shooter. I’m not sure I go all in with our 1st picks.

maybe in college, he was healthy his rookie year. missed some games this year but mostly seems just no trust with the coaches

We have Jett. Do we need another young prospect who doesn’t have NBA experience?

[BCS]

So simple…

This should have happened already. Murray fits a glaring need (offensive PG) and a coach Mosely requirement (defensive effort & ability). The only offers I hear (LAL) are relatively weak…ORL is uniquely positioned with large expirings and all of their own picks plus an additional DEN frp. The core is very young and hitting some success just before large extensions will be hitting…now is the time to take a big step to pump up their weak backcourt offense with a guy who also can up their already potent defense. ORL should be happy to sit out a couple drafts…they pulled in 5 high picks in the last 3 years…ATL should jump on this while there’s still time to flip assets by this trade deadline - and accelerate their retooling.

ORL sends: Markelle Fultz, Gary Harris (both expiring, both 6’4, 205+, defensive-minded players), ORL 24, ORL 27, DEN 25 (all top 5 protected)

ATL sends: Dejounte Murray, AJ Griffin

*tough to send 3 frps for Murray, but adding Paolo’s college teammate, Griffin (who’s been out of the rotation), makes it palatable. Fultz and Harris are very solid, but limited in what they bring- either or both could actually do well with Trae and/or off the bench. At the very least, they represent about $30m in expiring salary for ATL to work with- which, along with picks, is what I understand ATL to be seeking. If ATL would prefer some young, under contract, less expensive players mixed in - Wendell Carter could make Capela expendable, Cole Anthony could provide a lesser Trae off the bench, Caleb Houstan might well provide what Griffin projects to be at a lower salary. Or, ORL could add Ingles & Okeke (TO & expiring) and take back Bogdonavic. The posted option is my preference for ORL and, I believe what ATL is prioritizing…before ATL fans say they don’t want Fultz or Harris - let me remind them that they are included strictly as expiring salary in my OP…anything they bring on-court is just added value gravy, IMO. If ATL chooses to keep either (likely on reduced deals) or flip either to a contender…that’s just bonus.

Why for ORL: their backcourt defense goes from impactful to frightening. Suggs’ insane energy revitalizes Dejounte’s defensive intensity and they become a truly angry backcourt to face. Anthony Black off the bench keeps it going all game. Dejounte also brings the backcourt scoring and volume shooting ORL presently lacks at that spot. Griffin brings positional versatility and high-volume spot-up 3’s (which are abundant with Paolo & Franz’ gravity inside). Paolo is pumped to be relieved of facing double and triple teams all night and piles up assists with reliable backcourt scoring. He welcomes reuniting with his hometown hero and his college teammate. The “beef” that Paolo & Dejounte had was way overblown and happily forgotten by both. Paolo is icy on the outside, but along with Suggs & Franz, he feeds off of a guy like Dejounte’s hard edges & competitive ferocity.

If Dejounte goes to LAL for Russell and some distant crappy pick, I will never understand it.

U know you guys are making it easy, throwing players we dont want out there, but what if ATL refuses to trade unless we give them one of Black or Suggs because let's be real that is what ATL should do if the plan is to keep Trae as they need a solid defender next to Trae. Would every1 still trade for DJM?

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[Furinkazan]

Would be fun…but we ain’t winning 50-45

I think Murray might be a better defender than Smart by now…he’s a lot longer…and he’s capable of 20ppg all season. Smarts never dreamed of that. I love how Smart plays…we just already have that in two younger, cheaper packages.

but Murray defnese is AWOL ever since he landed in ATL

might be frustrated playing beside a turnstile on defense.

might be but its a gamble...and guy has a temper from what we hear which can be destructive... so it may even be a BIG GAMBLE
but
theres no argue here Id do it... I wanted him back when they were trading him to ATL so nothing new here..



but strap in for Okeke or Harris for cash cosiderations

[Skybox]

Ya'll know Lakers always get whomever they want so some 3rd team will step up and bail them out so they get their man, Murray . . . wall while the Magic stay mid-level without taking risk by probably trading for an average pg.

Somebody has to dance with the LAL's, the MIA's, etc to allow them to get whomever they want...it's more a function of all of the mediocre to bad FO's not having the confidence or courage to take a chance. Riley dives in every year, makes a mistake occasionally, eats it, fixes it and keeps moving. Tanking, evaluation seasons, and other talking head BS never has come out of his mouth.

[VFX]

I’d probably pull the Dejounte trade if it meant landing Griffin as a side part.

Size, athleticism, defense, and shooting are not throwaway qualities despite the fact he’s been buried in Atlanta and not 100% healthy.

They would have to weigh whether or not the cost of DM is too high though considering he isn’t necessarily an amazing shooter and would likely cost a lot. Paolo, Franz, and Suggs being off the table IMO.

[CocoaFan]

So simple…

This should have happened already. Murray fits a glaring need (offensive PG) and a coach Mosely requirement (defensive effort & ability). The only offers I hear (LAL) are relatively weak…ORL is uniquely positioned with large expirings and all of their own picks plus an additional DEN frp. The core is very young and hitting some success just before large extensions will be hitting…now is the time to take a big step to pump up their weak backcourt offense with a guy who also can up their already potent defense. ORL should be happy to sit out a couple drafts…they pulled in 5 high picks in the last 3 years…ATL should jump on this while there’s still time to flip assets by this trade deadline - and accelerate their retooling.

ORL sends: Markelle Fultz, Gary Harris (both expiring, both 6’4, 205+, defensive-minded players), ORL 24, ORL 27, DEN 25 (all top 5 protected)

ATL sends: Dejounte Murray, AJ Griffin

*tough to send 3 frps for Murray, but adding Paolo’s college teammate, Griffin (who’s been out of the rotation), makes it palatable. Fultz and Harris are very solid, but limited in what they bring- either or both could actually do well with Trae and/or off the bench. At the very least, they represent about $30m in expiring salary for ATL to work with- which, along with picks, is what I understand ATL to be seeking. If ATL would prefer some young, under contract, less expensive players mixed in - Wendell Carter could make Capela expendable, Cole Anthony could provide a lesser Trae off the bench, Caleb Houstan might well provide what Griffin projects to be at a lower salary. Or, ORL could add Ingles & Okeke (TO & expiring) and take back Bogdonavic. The posted option is my preference for ORL and, I believe what ATL is prioritizing…before ATL fans say they don’t want Fultz or Harris - let me remind them that they are included strictly as expiring salary in my OP…anything they bring on-court is just added value gravy, IMO. If ATL chooses to keep either (likely on reduced deals) or flip either to a contender…that’s just bonus.

Why for ORL: their backcourt defense goes from impactful to frightening. Suggs’ insane energy revitalizes Dejounte’s defensive intensity and they become a truly angry backcourt to face. Anthony Black off the bench keeps it going all game. Dejounte also brings the backcourt scoring and volume shooting ORL presently lacks at that spot. Griffin brings positional versatility and high-volume spot-up 3’s (which are abundant with Paolo & Franz’ gravity inside). Paolo is pumped to be relieved of facing double and triple teams all night and piles up assists with reliable backcourt scoring. He welcomes reuniting with his hometown hero and his college teammate. The “beef” that Paolo & Dejounte had was way overblown and happily forgotten by both. Paolo is icy on the outside, but along with Suggs & Franz, he feeds off of a guy like Dejounte’s hard edges & competitive ferocity.

If Dejounte goes to LAL for Russell and some distant crappy pick, I will never understand it.

U know you guys are making it easy, throwing players we dont want out there, but what if ATL refuses to trade unless we give them one of Black or Suggs because let's be real that is what ATL should do if the plan is to keep Trae as they need a solid defender next to Trae. Would every1 still trade for DJM?

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I have to believe it's more of a chemistry concern with Murray than fit. I don't see many teams jumping to add him.

[BadMofoPimp]

Ya'll know Lakers always get whomever they want so some 3rd team will step up and bail them out so they get their man, Murray . . . wall while the Magic stay mid-level without taking risk by probably trading for an average pg.

Somebody has to dance with the LAL's, the MIA's, etc to allow them to get whomever they want...it's more a function of all of the mediocre to bad FO's not having the confidence or courage to take a chance. Riley dives in every year, makes a mistake occasionally, eats it, fixes it and keeps moving. Tanking, evaluation seasons, and other talking head BS never has come out of his mouth.

Heat do have one of the best run organizations and best conditioning programs for their players. Well run. Would love to see the Magic develop under a system like that.

[Skybox]

I’d probably pull the Dejounte trade if it meant landing Griffin as a side part.

Size, athleticism, defense, and shooting are not throwaway qualities despite the fact he’s been buried in Atlanta and not 100% healthy.

They would have to weigh whether or not the cost of DM is too high though considering he isn’t necessarily an amazing shooter and would likely cost a lot. Paolo, Franz, and Suggs being off the table IMO.

I see Griffin as a less-heralded Kispert, who also has multiple redundancies ahead of him in the ATL lineup - so he may be available. It's my way of "overpaying" for Murray (and, maybe, underpaying a bit for Griffin). Griffin was really good his rookie year when he got some time...showed some addtl. creation and passing that weren't shown at Duke...where he just feasted on Paolo's kick-outs and gravity. I wouldn't trade a first for Griffin. I wouldn't trade 3 firsts for Murray...but I'd trade 3 frps for both.

Griffin had knee problems dating back to HS...so he hasn't been the most athletic (like Kispert), but he's regained some and is still very very young. Intelligent, articulate, great size and defensive instincts. I'd say he's at least comparable to Chuma - maybe becomes much more - but already a far better spot up 3pt shooter, which is what we really need.

[BadMofoPimp]

So simple…

This should have happened already. Murray fits a glaring need (offensive PG) and a coach Mosely requirement (defensive effort & ability). The only offers I hear (LAL) are relatively weak…ORL is uniquely positioned with large expirings and all of their own picks plus an additional DEN frp. The core is very young and hitting some success just before large extensions will be hitting…now is the time to take a big step to pump up their weak backcourt offense with a guy who also can up their already potent defense. ORL should be happy to sit out a couple drafts…they pulled in 5 high picks in the last 3 years…ATL should jump on this while there’s still time to flip assets by this trade deadline - and accelerate their retooling.

ORL sends: Markelle Fultz, Gary Harris (both expiring, both 6’4, 205+, defensive-minded players), ORL 24, ORL 27, DEN 25 (all top 5 protected)

ATL sends: Dejounte Murray, AJ Griffin

*tough to send 3 frps for Murray, but adding Paolo’s college teammate, Griffin (who’s been out of the rotation), makes it palatable. Fultz and Harris are very solid, but limited in what they bring- either or both could actually do well with Trae and/or off the bench. At the very least, they represent about $30m in expiring salary for ATL to work with- which, along with picks, is what I understand ATL to be seeking. If ATL would prefer some young, under contract, less expensive players mixed in - Wendell Carter could make Capela expendable, Cole Anthony could provide a lesser Trae off the bench, Caleb Houstan might well provide what Griffin projects to be at a lower salary. Or, ORL could add Ingles & Okeke (TO & expiring) and take back Bogdonavic. The posted option is my preference for ORL and, I believe what ATL is prioritizing…before ATL fans say they don’t want Fultz or Harris - let me remind them that they are included strictly as expiring salary in my OP…anything they bring on-court is just added value gravy, IMO. If ATL chooses to keep either (likely on reduced deals) or flip either to a contender…that’s just bonus.

Why for ORL: their backcourt defense goes from impactful to frightening. Suggs’ insane energy revitalizes Dejounte’s defensive intensity and they become a truly angry backcourt to face. Anthony Black off the bench keeps it going all game. Dejounte also brings the backcourt scoring and volume shooting ORL presently lacks at that spot. Griffin brings positional versatility and high-volume spot-up 3’s (which are abundant with Paolo & Franz’ gravity inside). Paolo is pumped to be relieved of facing double and triple teams all night and piles up assists with reliable backcourt scoring. He welcomes reuniting with his hometown hero and his college teammate. The “beef” that Paolo & Dejounte had was way overblown and happily forgotten by both. Paolo is icy on the outside, but along with Suggs & Franz, he feeds off of a guy like Dejounte’s hard edges & competitive ferocity.

If Dejounte goes to LAL for Russell and some distant crappy pick, I will never understand it.

U know you guys are making it easy, throwing players we dont want out there, but what if ATL refuses to trade unless we give them one of Black or Suggs because let's be real that is what ATL should do if the plan is to keep Trae as they need a solid defender next to Trae. Would every1 still trade for DJM?

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I have to believe it's more of a chemistry concern with Murray than fit. I don't see many teams jumping to add him.

From what I gathered from the Hawks board is they are not primarily looking for a replacement PG, but front court depth in return.

[Skybox]

U know you guys are making it easy, throwing players we dont want out there, but what if ATL refuses to trade unless we give them one of Black or Suggs because let's be real that is what ATL should do if the plan is to keep Trae as they need a solid defender next to Trae. Would every1 still trade for DJM?

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I have to believe it's more of a chemistry concern with Murray than fit. I don't see many teams jumping to add him.

From what I gathered from the Hawks board is they are not primarily looking for a replacement PG, but front court depth in return.

Yeah...which makes sense to me, Trae's not going to watch a rebuild...but media ( ) reported "picks and not taking back extended salary" as the goal...I'm sure the vision is a quick re-tool, but there's different ways to go about it. I think my deal gives them a lot of angles, could even have another deal on deck with our assets.

[zaymon]

I’d probably pull the Dejounte trade if it meant landing Griffin as a side part.

Size, athleticism, defense, and shooting are not throwaway qualities despite the fact he’s been buried in Atlanta and not 100% healthy.

They would have to weigh whether or not the cost of DM is too high though considering he isn’t necessarily an amazing shooter and would likely cost a lot. Paolo, Franz, and Suggs being off the table IMO.

I am kind of tired watching our efforts to redeem value on players other teams gave up on. It rarely works and we have roster full of players who still couldnt establish themselves in the nba. Can we get some actual talent who had some success already?
Even Murray was tank commander on Spurs and Atlanta started to play worse as soon as he arrived. No proof he ever impacted winning. If we pay 3 frp i want a winner not perennial treadmiller.

[VFX]

I’d probably pull the Dejounte trade if it meant landing Griffin as a side part.

Size, athleticism, defense, and shooting are not throwaway qualities despite the fact he’s been buried in Atlanta and not 100% healthy.

They would have to weigh whether or not the cost of DM is too high though considering he isn’t necessarily an amazing shooter and would likely cost a lot. Paolo, Franz, and Suggs being off the table IMO.

I see Griffin as a less-heralded Kispert, who also has multiple redundancies ahead of him in the ATL lineup - so he may be available. It's my way of "overpaying" for Murray (and, maybe, underpaying a bit for Griffin). Griffin was really good his rookie year when he got some time...showed some addtl. creation and passing that weren't shown at Duke...where he just feasted on Paolo's kick-outs and gravity. I wouldn't trade a first for Griffin. I wouldn't trade 3 firsts for Murray...but I'd trade 3 frps for both.

Griffin had knee problems dating back to HS...so he hasn't been the most athletic (like Kispert), but he's regained some and is still very very young. Intelligent, articulate, great size and defensive instincts. I'd say he's at least comparable to Chuma - maybe becomes much more - but already a far better spot up 3pt shooter, which is what we really need.

The only possible reason I could see them going for a DM type of deal is that they don't have the pieces or pull to land someone bigger. Orlando isn't going to sign some all-star in free agency, that they didn't draft themselves, and people need to come to that realization sooner than later. The cap has to be spent somewhere outside of resigning our guys. Late draft picks aren't really a concern right now in the process.

Griffin is exactly the kind of buried bench player they need to take chances on in these kind of consolidation trades as "throw ins" from other teams. Thats how you find value without giving up everything. If he doesnt work out... then oh well. They at least tried and he wasn't the focal point of the trade anyway. It's better than overpaying on a 1:1 deal, resigning some washed vet, or taking zero risk whatsoever.

Atlanta has a ton of these G-F guys that could help Orlando and they are in the position to start moving pieces around due to their failure to build around a flawed player.

[VFX]

I’d probably pull the Dejounte trade if it meant landing Griffin as a side part.

Size, athleticism, defense, and shooting are not throwaway qualities despite the fact he’s been buried in Atlanta and not 100% healthy.

They would have to weigh whether or not the cost of DM is too high though considering he isn’t necessarily an amazing shooter and would likely cost a lot. Paolo, Franz, and Suggs being off the table IMO.

I am kind of tired watching our efforts to redeem value on players other teams gave up on. It rarely works and we have roster full of players who still couldnt establish themselves in the nba. Can we get some actual talent who had some success already?
Even Murray was tank commander on Spurs and Atlanta started to play worse as soon as he arrived. No proof he ever impacted winning. If we pay 3 frp i want a winner not perennial treadmiller.

I agree somewhat, but successful players are costlier in trades and Orlando has no real prized assets.

I mean... what are we talking about here? Fultz and Gary as expiring deals and a bunch of late firsts?

Doesn't sound super appetizing already if we are bidding against teams willing to give better assets for a decent starter making real money. Now if you wanted to structure the framework of a deal with Carter, Suggs, or AB, then yeah youd expect more. I just dont see those guys getting moved.

[CocoaFan]

I’d probably pull the Dejounte trade if it meant landing Griffin as a side part.

Size, athleticism, defense, and shooting are not throwaway qualities despite the fact he’s been buried in Atlanta and not 100% healthy.

They would have to weigh whether or not the cost of DM is too high though considering he isn’t necessarily an amazing shooter and would likely cost a lot. Paolo, Franz, and Suggs being off the table IMO.

I am kind of tired watching our efforts to redeem value on players other teams gave up on. It rarely works and we have roster full of players who still couldnt establish themselves in the nba. Can we get some actual talent who had some success already?
Even Murray was tank commander on Spurs and Atlanta started to play worse as soon as he arrived. No proof he ever impacted winning. If we pay 3 frp i want a winner not perennial treadmiller.

I agree somewhat, but successful players are costlier in trades and Orlando has no real prized assets.

I mean... what are we talking about here? Fultz and Gary as expiring deals and a bunch of late firsts?

Doesn't sound super appetizing already if we are bidding against teams willing to give better assets for a decent starter making real money. Now if you wanted to structure the framework of a deal with Carter, Suggs, or AB, then yeah youd expect more. I just dont see those guys getting moved.

Totally agree.
I'm moving off the Joe Ingles wagon (will be 37 next year and already looks like 40 . I would like to see the FO bring in someone like Taurean Prince for Ingles, then trade Cole and sign Malik Monk. Way more upside and consistency with those guys.

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[eyriq]

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I actually love this. CP3 is such an underrated target.

[KillMonger]

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I actually love this. CP3 is such an underrated target.

i want no parts of these two washed up players, respectfully

[zaymon]

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I actually love this. CP3 is such an underrated target.

Could be real, could be just lever to lower prices on Brogdon and Jones. We not only need mentors we also need healthy bodies who can shoot and pass the ball.

[Residual-Heat]

im fine with it i guess as long as we dont give up any real assets. Harris, Fultz and 2nds?

[eyriq]

im fine with it i guess as long as we dont give up any real assets. Harris, Fultz and 2nds?

I saw Isaac's name mentioned