Official Speculation Thread 2016 Volume VII - Defense Wins Championships

[BudLightTwerk]

I think Biyombo can be a starting center in the NBA today for a good team but you definitely need more offense at the other positions than we have.

The problem isn't that Biyombo is a bad offensive player. The problem is that 3/5 of our starting lineup are subpar offensively.

The two that aren't are Fournier and Serge and there are parts of Serge's offensive game that are way ahead of the other parts.

[thelead]

I think Biyombo can be a starting center in the NBA today for a good team but you definitely need more offense at the other positions than we have.

The problem isn't that Biyombo is a bad offensive player. The problem is that 3/5 of our starting lineup are subpar offensively.

The two that aren't are Fournier and Serge and there are parts of Serge's offensive game that are way ahead of the other parts.

Agreed. Biz on a team like Houston, GSW, Cavs would be amazing.

[pepe1991]

I think Biyombo can be a starting center in the NBA today for a good team but you definitely need more offense at the other positions than we have.

The problem isn't that Biyombo is a bad offensive player. The problem is that 3/5 of our starting lineup are subpar offensively.

The two that aren't are Fournier and Serge and there are parts of Serge's offensive game that are way ahead of the other parts.

Agreed. Biz on a team like Houston, GSW, Cavs would be amazing.

Raptors were perfect for him. Get rebounds, protect a rim, get a ball to Lowry from point blank range and just fight for offensive rebound on offense.

[Dennis Reynolds]

I make fun of Jeff Green more than anyone (well, besides Dennis)

hey...

Spoiler:

Yup, you're right.

[PennytoShaq]

I think Biyombo can be a starting center in the NBA today for a good team but you definitely need more offense at the other positions than we have.

The problem isn't that Biyombo is a bad offensive player. The problem is that 3/5 of our starting lineup are subpar offensively.

The two that aren't are Fournier and Serge and there are parts of Serge's offensive game that are way ahead of the other parts.

Yep. I said this exact same thing a few days ago and some guy here acted like he couldn't understand what I was saying.

The magic should embrace small ball. See what they can get for Ibaka or Vuc and let Gordon play his style of offense he is playing now with a legit shooting SF opposite him..Biyombo would kill it if he was surrounded by 4 guys who can shoot.

[Bensational]

I think Biyombo can be a starting center in the NBA today for a good team but you definitely need more offense at the other positions than we have.

The problem isn't that Biyombo is a bad offensive player. The problem is that 3/5 of our starting lineup are subpar offensively.

The two that aren't are Fournier and Serge and there are parts of Serge's offensive game that are way ahead of the other parts.

Yep. I said this exact same thing a few days ago and some guy here acted like he couldn't understand what I was saying.

The magic should embrace small ball. See what they can get for Ibaka or Vuc and let Gordon play his style of offense he is playing now with a legit shooting SF opposite him..Biyombo would kill it if he was surrounded by 4 guys who can shoot.

Oh, you mean like when he was surrounded by Ibaka (38%), Gordon (33%), Fournier (37%) and Augustin (39%)?

Or do you propose trading Ibaka for a SF who shoots better than him? Because that list is only about 10 players deep.

Gordon is blossoming at SF right in front of us. I can't understand why anyone would be in a rush to push him out of that position?

Plus, what gains do we get from having Gordon at PF that we don't already have with Ibaka at PF? We get worse 3pt shooting, we get less strength and ability to post up, we lose Ibaka's mid-range shooting, and we lose our best perimeter defender in exchange for interior defense which is a wash at best.

[PennytoShaq]

I think Biyombo can be a starting center in the NBA today for a good team but you definitely need more offense at the other positions than we have.

The problem isn't that Biyombo is a bad offensive player. The problem is that 3/5 of our starting lineup are subpar offensively.

The two that aren't are Fournier and Serge and there are parts of Serge's offensive game that are way ahead of the other parts.

Yep. I said this exact same thing a few days ago and some guy here acted like he couldn't understand what I was saying.

The magic should embrace small ball. See what they can get for Ibaka or Vuc and let Gordon play his style of offense he is playing now with a legit shooting SF opposite him..Biyombo would kill it if he was surrounded by 4 guys who can shoot.

Oh, you mean like when he was surrounded by Ibaka (38%), Gordon (33%), Fournier (37%) and Augustin (39%)?

Or do you propose trading Ibaka for a SF who shoots better than him? Because that list is only about 10 players deep.

Gordon is blossoming at SF right in front of us. I can't understand why anyone would be in a rush to push him out of that position?

Plus, what gains do we get from having Gordon at PF that we don't already have with Ibaka at PF? We get worse 3pt shooting, we get less strength and ability to post up, we lose Ibaka's mid-range shooting, and we lose our best perimeter defender in exchange for interior defense which is a wash at best.

Relax. I am simply suggesting we go to more of a spread 4 offense like what we did with Rashard and Turk, except I'd like a wing who can create his own shot.

We don't have a lot of assets to trade. Ibaka and Vuc are our best options. Just how it is.

[Bensational]

Yep. I said this exact same thing a few days ago and some guy here acted like he couldn't understand what I was saying.

The magic should embrace small ball. See what they can get for Ibaka or Vuc and let Gordon play his style of offense he is playing now with a legit shooting SF opposite him..Biyombo would kill it if he was surrounded by 4 guys who can shoot.

Oh, you mean like when he was surrounded by Ibaka (38%), Gordon (33%), Fournier (37%) and Augustin (39%)?

Or do you propose trading Ibaka for a SF who shoots better than him? Because that list is only about 10 players deep.

Gordon is blossoming at SF right in front of us. I can't understand why anyone would be in a rush to push him out of that position?

Plus, what gains do we get from having Gordon at PF that we don't already have with Ibaka at PF? We get worse 3pt shooting, we get less strength and ability to post up, we lose Ibaka's mid-range shooting, and we lose our best perimeter defender in exchange for interior defense which is a wash at best.

Relax. I am simply suggesting we go to more of a spread 4 offense like what we did with Rashard and Turk, except I'd like a wing who can create his own shot.

We don't have a lot of assets to trade. Ibaka and Vuc are our best options. Just how it is.

We can go spread 4 with Ibaka though. That's why your suggestion just seems completely asinine.

AG is developing, and developing nicely. We just have to stick to that and let him continue as he is for now, and hopefully he'll be ready to create his own offense by next season.

Fournier, on the other hand, is arguably our best and most 'ready now' playmaking wing option. He's developing, too, but I don't see him having the upside that AG does. So if you want to move someone to bring in an even more 'ready now' guy, then Fournier should be your man.

[OrlandO]

Trading Ibaka or Vuc won't give us the players needed to make playing small with Biyombo work. He's not young Dwight Howard... you don't build around him.

[Whoompthereitis]

Can we just trade biz for Mathews and play small

[fendilim]

I think Biyombo can be a starting center in the NBA today for a good team but you definitely need more offense at the other positions than we have.

The problem isn't that Biyombo is a bad offensive player. The problem is that 3/5 of our starting lineup are subpar offensively.

The two that aren't are Fournier and Serge and there are parts of Serge's offensive game that are way ahead of the other parts.

Agreed.

Last year, his offense wasn't looking as bad as here because the Raptors have magnets offensively which allows Biyombo to have better offensive space for him to be able to catch the ball without traffic.

[PennytoShaq]

Oh, you mean like when he was surrounded by Ibaka (38%), Gordon (33%), Fournier (37%) and Augustin (39%)?

Or do you propose trading Ibaka for a SF who shoots better than him? Because that list is only about 10 players deep.

Gordon is blossoming at SF right in front of us. I can't understand why anyone would be in a rush to push him out of that position?

Plus, what gains do we get from having Gordon at PF that we don't already have with Ibaka at PF? We get worse 3pt shooting, we get less strength and ability to post up, we lose Ibaka's mid-range shooting, and we lose our best perimeter defender in exchange for interior defense which is a wash at best.

Relax. I am simply suggesting we go to more of a spread 4 offense like what we did with Rashard and Turk, except I'd like a wing who can create his own shot.

We don't have a lot of assets to trade. Ibaka and Vuc are our best options. Just how it is.

We can go spread 4 with Ibaka though. That's why your suggestion just seems completely asinine.

AG is developing, and developing nicely. We just have to stick to that and let him continue as he is for now, and hopefully he'll be ready to create his own offense by next season.

Fournier, on the other hand, is arguably our best and most 'ready now' playmaking wing option. He's developing, too, but I don't see him having the upside that AG does. So if you want to move someone to bring in an even more 'ready now' guy, then Fournier should be your man.

But we don't do we?

To me it's asinine to suggest we trade Fournier for a guy who is more "ready now". That makes no sense. I don't think Fournier is the problem on this offense. If we traded him plus Vuc and got a star guard, that would be fine though. I would not complain about it. It just doesn't seem likely that we can get a better player than Evan and not have to trade Ibaka as well.

Why are you always so defensive about AG not playing the 3? He can crossmatch and guard the wings and then get the better matchup on the other end if we have a wing who can create his shot. A PF simply would not be able to cover a player like that, and Gordon would be able to do serious damage on offense. I like Gallinari because at 6'10 he can guard PFs. If that sounds far fetched, keep in mind that Vogel had to put Vuc on Dekker last night because we stuck with the big lineup. Vuc got torched.

And that's what other teams are doing to us right now. They are abusing our big lineups with small ones. Hell, move Ibaka to 5 and keep him. I don't care. Let Biz back him up. Ibaka would get even more open 3s playing the 5 spot.

[PennytoShaq]

Trading Ibaka or Vuc won't give us the players needed to make playing small with Biyombo work. He's not young Dwight Howard... you don't build around him.

Who said we build around him? I believe the Magic got Ibaka and Biz to build around Aaron Gordon. Biz is our insurance if Ibaka leaves.

Let's see what happens at the trade deadline, but it is pretty obvious that the old school big lineup is not cutting it.

[VFX]

Oh, you mean like when he was surrounded by Ibaka (38%), Gordon (33%), Fournier (37%) and Augustin (39%)?

Or do you propose trading Ibaka for a SF who shoots better than him? Because that list is only about 10 players deep.

Gordon is blossoming at SF right in front of us. I can't understand why anyone would be in a rush to push him out of that position?

Plus, what gains do we get from having Gordon at PF that we don't already have with Ibaka at PF? We get worse 3pt shooting, we get less strength and ability to post up, we lose Ibaka's mid-range shooting, and we lose our best perimeter defender in exchange for interior defense which is a wash at best.

Relax. I am simply suggesting we go to more of a spread 4 offense like what we did with Rashard and Turk, except I'd like a wing who can create his own shot.

We don't have a lot of assets to trade. Ibaka and Vuc are our best options. Just how it is.

We can go spread 4 with Ibaka though. That's why your suggestion just seems completely asinine.

AG is developing, and developing nicely. We just have to stick to that and let him continue as he is for now, and hopefully he'll be ready to create his own offense by next season.

Fournier, on the other hand, is arguably our best and most 'ready now' playmaking wing option. He's developing, too, but I don't see him having the upside that AG does. So if you want to move someone to bring in an even more 'ready now' guy, then Fournier should be your man.

Just wondering Bensational, if you had to trade two players on this terrible squad who would they be? You seem pretty optimistic about this rosters future is why I ask.

[purpleswordfish]

Trading Ibaka or Vuc won't give us the players needed to make playing small with Biyombo work. He's not young Dwight Howard... you don't build around him.

Who said we build around him? I believe the Magic got Ibaka and Biz to build around Aaron Gordon. Biz is our insurance if Ibaka leaves.

Let's see what happens at the trade deadline, but it is pretty obvious that the old school big lineup is not cutting it.

Bizarre theory, almost as bizarre as this desire to run a "spread 4" offense without the one thing necessary to do it - a center that commands double teams almost every time down the floor.

[PennytoShaq]

Trading Ibaka or Vuc won't give us the players needed to make playing small with Biyombo work. He's not young Dwight Howard... you don't build around him.

Who said we build around him? I believe the Magic got Ibaka and Biz to build around Aaron Gordon. Biz is our insurance if Ibaka leaves.

Let's see what happens at the trade deadline, but it is pretty obvious that the old school big lineup is not cutting it.

Bizarre theory, almost as bizarre as this desire to run a "spread 4" offense without the one thing necessary to do it - a center that commands double teams almost every time down the floor.

Uh no. Thats old school spread 4, inside out.

Have you watched Golden State and Houston? Do they dump it down to set up the offense?

It's 2017. Nothing bizarre about it.

[purpleswordfish]

Who said we build around him? I believe the Magic got Ibaka and Biz to build around Aaron Gordon. Biz is our insurance if Ibaka leaves.

Let's see what happens at the trade deadline, but it is pretty obvious that the old school big lineup is not cutting it.

Bizarre theory, almost as bizarre as this desire to run a "spread 4" offense without the one thing necessary to do it - a center that commands double teams almost every time down the floor.

Uh no. Thats old school spread 4, inside out.

Have you watched Golden State and Houston? Do they dump it down to set up the offense?

It's 2017. Nothing bizarre about it.

Yeah, I have watched Houston and Golden State. They have shooters at every position. The Magic? Not so much.

[OrlandO]

Who said we build around him? I believe the Magic got Ibaka and Biz to build around Aaron Gordon. Biz is our insurance if Ibaka leaves.

Let's see what happens at the trade deadline, but it is pretty obvious that the old school big lineup is not cutting it.

Bizarre theory, almost as bizarre as this desire to run a "spread 4" offense without the one thing necessary to do it - a center that commands double teams almost every time down the floor.

Uh no. Thats old school spread 4, inside out.

Have you watched Golden State and Houston? Do they dump it down to set up the offense?

It's 2017. Nothing bizarre about it.

You are too obsessed with trying to emulate teams with MVP level players carrying them.

[VFX]

Bizarre theory, almost as bizarre as this desire to run a "spread 4" offense without the one thing necessary to do it - a center that commands double teams almost every time down the floor.

Uh no. Thats old school spread 4, inside out.

Have you watched Golden State and Houston? Do they dump it down to set up the offense?

It's 2017. Nothing bizarre about it.

You are too obsessed with trying to emulate teams with MVP level players carrying them.

Let's look at the top 5 in NBA power rankings shall we?

Cavs
GSW
Rockets
Spurs
Raptors

Which of these teams have a dominant scoring center that commands double teams?

The only team in the top 10 you can even remotely argue for is Memphis with gasol... and they aren't winning anything this year or next

[Blue_and_Whte]

Bizarre theory, almost as bizarre as this desire to run a "spread 4" offense without the one thing necessary to do it - a center that commands double teams almost every time down the floor.

Uh no. Thats old school spread 4, inside out.

Have you watched Golden State and Houston? Do they dump it down to set up the offense?

It's 2017. Nothing bizarre about it.

You are too obsessed with trying to emulate teams with MVP level players carrying them.

So true.

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