Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 2.0

[Residual-Heat]

im fine with it i guess as long as we dont give up any real assets. Harris, Fultz and 2nds?

I saw Isaac's name mentioned

i wouldnt give up Isaac for either guy for sure. Lowry is likely to get released anyway IMO. CP3 will be lucky to play 30 games to the team he's traded to as he's already injured.

[basketballRob]

im fine with it i guess as long as we dont give up any real assets. Harris, Fultz and 2nds?

I saw Isaac's name mentioned

i wouldnt give up Isaac for either guy for sure. Lowry is likely to get released anyway IMO. CP3 will be lucky to play 30 games to the team he's traded to as he's already injured.

Giving up Isaac for CP3 wouldn't make us better.

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[DiplomaticMagic]

Both cp3 and lowry are **** players. Not by skills, but by their actions. I beg you, no. I dont want to root for them.

[ogmagicfan]

I’d probably pull the Dejounte trade if it meant landing Griffin as a side part.

Size, athleticism, defense, and shooting are not throwaway qualities despite the fact he’s been buried in Atlanta and not 100% healthy.

They would have to weigh whether or not the cost of DM is too high though considering he isn’t necessarily an amazing shooter and would likely cost a lot. Paolo, Franz, and Suggs being off the table IMO.

I am kind of tired watching our efforts to redeem value on players other teams gave up on. It rarely works and we have roster full of players who still couldnt establish themselves in the nba. Can we get some actual talent who had some success already?
Even Murray was tank commander on Spurs and Atlanta started to play worse as soon as he arrived. No proof he ever impacted winning. If we pay 3 frp i want a winner not perennial treadmiller.

I agree somewhat, but successful players are costlier in trades and Orlando has no real prized assets.

I mean... what are we talking about here? Fultz and Gary as expiring deals and a bunch of late firsts?

Doesn't sound super appetizing already if we are bidding against teams willing to give better assets for a decent starter making real money. Now if you wanted to structure the framework of a deal with Carter, Suggs, or AB, then yeah youd expect more. I just dont see those guys getting moved.

Dejounte was averaging a near triple double, led the NBA in SPG and was a legit 2 way All-Star the offseason he was traded to Atlanta for Danilo Galinari (33 yrs old at the time and a bench player), 3 1sts, & a pick swap

Dejounte has been a mediocre defender since he's joined Atlanta, takin plays off and just playing passing lanes, and hasn't shifted winning in any way for them.

There's no universe where I'm sending 3 1sts for a player with less value than when he was previously traded. It just doesn't make sense.

Atlanta can demand all they want, the market isn't there for them to get 2 1st & a starter level player for Dejounte. 3 1sts is just doing way too much.

Fultz, Okeke, Orl 2024 1st, Den 2025 1st, & a pick swap should be enough to get Murray. Maybe we get a 3rd team involved and one of the 1sts go out for that starter level player they desire (Royce O'Neal?)

[Knightro]

I wouldn’t give up three 1sts for Murray.

But I would give up two, provided one of the two was the Denver pick.

[89Magicfan]

CP3 and Lowry?! Barf

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[BadMofoPimp]

Both cp3 and lowry are **** players. Not by skills, but by their actions. I beg you, no. I dont want to root for them.

You don't have to cuz they would spend most of their time on the bench.

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I am kind of tired watching our efforts to redeem value on players other teams gave up on. It rarely works and we have roster full of players who still couldnt establish themselves in the nba. Can we get some actual talent who had some success already?
Even Murray was tank commander on Spurs and Atlanta started to play worse as soon as he arrived. No proof he ever impacted winning. If we pay 3 frp i want a winner not perennial treadmiller.

I agree somewhat, but successful players are costlier in trades and Orlando has no real prized assets.

I mean... what are we talking about here? Fultz and Gary as expiring deals and a bunch of late firsts?

Doesn't sound super appetizing already if we are bidding against teams willing to give better assets for a decent starter making real money. Now if you wanted to structure the framework of a deal with Carter, Suggs, or AB, then yeah youd expect more. I just dont see those guys getting moved.

Dejounte was averaging a near triple double, led the NBA in SPG and was a legit 2 way All-Star the offseason he was traded to Atlanta for Danilo Galinari (33 yrs old at the time and a bench player), 3 1sts, & a pick swap

Dejounte has been a mediocre defender since he's joined Atlanta, takin plays off and just playing passing lanes, and hasn't shifted winning in any way for them.

There's no universe where I'm sending 3 1sts for a player with less value than when he was previously traded. It just doesn't make sense.

Atlanta can demand all they want, the market isn't there for them to get 2 1st & a starter level player for Dejounte. 3 1sts is just doing way too much.

Fultz, Okeke, Orl 2024 1st, Den 2025 1st, & a pick swap should be enough to get Murray. Maybe we get a 3rd team involved and one of the 1sts go out for that starter level player they desire (Royce O'Neal?)

That’s what I’m arguing also…

I’m just saying that DM makes sense without giving up another starting quality guy. However, it’s more about the asking price of other teams. Atlanta isn’t necessarily a team looking to tank and DM is a relatively young guy that will draw interest.

I was replying to the idea that Orlando can afford some established fringe allstar talent. They can’t unless they give up way more than expirings and late firsts.

[Knightro]

It's hard to find a workable deal for Lowry or Paul.

Like Fultz/Harris for one of them works, but I don't see the appeal in flipping expirings for expirings for those teams. Maybe the Magic kick in a second round pick or something.

[eyriq]

It's hard to find a workable deal for Lowry or Paul.

Like Fultz/Harris for one of them works, but I don't see the appeal in flipping expirings for expirings for those teams. Maybe the Magic kick in a second round pick or something.

I think the trade would be

Fultz + JI for CP3 + Moody

[Residual-Heat]

I wouldn’t give up three 1sts for Murray.

But I would give up two, provided one of the two was the Denver pick.

The 2024 pick will be in a weak draft. 2025 Denver 1st and the 2026 Magic pick will likely be in the 20s. Id trade those three picks for Murray. Is it a slight overpay? Yes, but I just the Magic to have a good PG for the first time in decades. If Mosely and the team can motivate him to give full effort on defense, it should be worth it.

His 3pt shooting has been bad in the last 10 games shooting 6 a game at 30%, but he's still averaging 22.5/6/7

[Knightro]

It's hard to find a workable deal for Lowry or Paul.

Like Fultz/Harris for one of them works, but I don't see the appeal in flipping expirings for expirings for those teams. Maybe the Magic kick in a second round pick or something.

I think the trade would be

Fultz + JI for CP3 + Moody

Unless you're convinced Moody is going to be a good starting SG, I don't see this being a deal that makes sense for the Magic at all.

Isaac, even in 15 MPG, seemingly gives the Magic more than CP3 or Moody would.

[Furinkazan]

It's hard to find a workable deal for Lowry or Paul.

Like Fultz/Harris for one of them works, but I don't see the appeal in flipping expirings for expirings for those teams. Maybe the Magic kick in a second round pick or something.

GS might see a value they can free a lot of capspace for the summer

https://youtu.be/BXthOqtqu6A?t=344

[Fortune Teller]

How tuned in would either of them be for the last 30 games in Orlando?

[ogmagicfan]

I agree somewhat, but successful players are costlier in trades and Orlando has no real prized assets.

I mean... what are we talking about here? Fultz and Gary as expiring deals and a bunch of late firsts?

Doesn't sound super appetizing already if we are bidding against teams willing to give better assets for a decent starter making real money. Now if you wanted to structure the framework of a deal with Carter, Suggs, or AB, then yeah youd expect more. I just dont see those guys getting moved.

Dejounte was averaging a near triple double, led the NBA in SPG and was a legit 2 way All-Star the offseason he was traded to Atlanta for Danilo Galinari (33 yrs old at the time and a bench player), 3 1sts, & a pick swap

Dejounte has been a mediocre defender since he's joined Atlanta, takin plays off and just playing passing lanes, and hasn't shifted winning in any way for them.

There's no universe where I'm sending 3 1sts for a player with less value than when he was previously traded. It just doesn't make sense.

Atlanta can demand all they want, the market isn't there for them to get 2 1st & a starter level player for Dejounte. 3 1sts is just doing way too much.

Fultz, Okeke, Orl 2024 1st, Den 2025 1st, & a pick swap should be enough to get Murray. Maybe we get a 3rd team involved and one of the 1sts go out for that starter level player they desire (Royce O'Neal?)

That’s what I’m arguing also…

I’m just saying that DM makes sense without giving up another starting quality guy. However, it’s more about the asking price of other teams. Atlanta isn’t necessarily a team looking to tank and DM is a relatively young guy that will draw interest.

I was replying to the idea that Orlando can afford some established fringe allstar talent. They can’t unless they give up way more than expirings and late firsts.

Ah, well yeah that depends on what other teams offer. From what wemve heard so far though, most of the buzz been around the Lakers and theyve offered Russell, Jalen Hood, 1st & Pick Swap and wont budge from there

I would reckon that we could trade for a player higher caliber than Dejounte if the opportunity presents itself though. We have WCJ, some young guys (Black, Jett), & all our future 1sts. The idea that the picks are for sure going to be late 1sts isn't a given, and teams are willing to gamble on the chance that teams implode. Like the Cavs trade for Mitchell.

[ogmagicfan]

Supposedly the Wolves offered 4 2nd for Tyus Jones and the Wiz declined it???

I know they said they would take multiple 2nds but those late 2nds arent looking too appetizing.

Hopefully a 2nd from us along with the 2nd we have from Detroit in 2026 changes their tune.

[Knightro]

It's hard to find a workable deal for Lowry or Paul.

Like Fultz/Harris for one of them works, but I don't see the appeal in flipping expirings for expirings for those teams. Maybe the Magic kick in a second round pick or something.

GS might see a value they can free a lot of capspace for the summer

https://youtu.be/BXthOqtqu6A?t=344

Chris Paul isn’t guaranteed for next season. So they can just cut him loose and get the same saving though.

Unless you’re saying they’d want to attach another player to him and maximize their savings.

[VFX]

I don’t mind vets that can help AB develop a point guard game…

There’s a difference between that and guys that just want to collect a check before they retire knowing they aren’t winning a championship in their last years…

Lowry and Paul would be the latter in Orlando.

[Knightro]

How tuned in would either of them be for the last 30 games in Orlando?

I mean the Magic have a better record than the Warriors or Hornets, so probably tuned in pretty well?