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[MagicFan101]

Just watched another painful news conference by the President and the coronavirus task force. He is losing credibility every single day with these. We have had such little clarity this week and its already Friday. Time is ticking, just twiddling their thumbs while Rome is burning. The flippant jokes that he makes are so ignorant. He literally said that he had no involvement with this model, the coronavirus obviously, and made a reference that he's had involvement with other models, hilarious. I really need someone to explain to me why they see intelligence in this man. Please, I really would like to hear it. Sorry to digress, but its so frustrating.

You can’t lose what ya don’t got, man! That is his secret.

[Gomagic44]

No worries brother I was just saying. I'm honestly confused how something knocked me out for that long. Still no respiratory panel results.

I just hope the respiratory panel shows something. I didn't will myself to be sick for 9 days. I don't will a gallon of sweat a night in a 72 degree house with fans blazing. This was not a placebo sickness.

Hey mate, my post about my friend maybe being psychosomatic wasn't directed at you or anyone else on the board. I do think people will be getting sick with things that aren't coronavirus, as well as having the coronavirus. Sounds like you went through hell with something, so I'm not trying to downplay that.

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[nymets1]

Last night's numbers as of 10pm from bing.com/covid

USA-244,646 confirmed cases( +27,075 increase), 10,403 recoveries(+1525 increase), 6059 deaths(+947 increase)
Florida- 9008 confirmed cases( +1235 increase), 0 recoveries still, 144 deaths(+27 increase)
California- 9937 confirmed cases
Georgia- 5444 confirmed cases( +696 increase),( Keep an eye on Georgia)
Illinois- 7695 confirmed cases( +715 increase), (Keep an eye on Illinois)
Louisana- 9150 confirmed cases( +2726 increase)
Massachussets- 8966 confirmed cases( +1288 increase)
Michigan- 10,791 confirmed cases( +1457 increase)
New Jersey- 25,590 confirmed cases( +3335 increase)
New York- 92,472 confirmed cases( +8559 increase)
Pennsylvania- 7016 confirmed cases(+1211 increase)
Texas- 4669 confirmed cases(+672 increase), (keep an eye on Texas)
Washington-6491 confirmed cases(+584 increase), (keep an eye on Washington)

China- 76,408 recoveries( +408 increase), down to 1863 active cases from 2004 last night
South Korea- 5828 recoveries(+21 increase)
Italy- 18,278 recoveries(+1431 increase), active cases- 83,049(+3237 increase)
Spain-26,743 recoveries( +4096 increase), active cases- 74,974(+3851 increase)

There's been a change made on bing.com/covid. When you click on a country, state or county it now shows a (+ increase) to the right of:

1.Active cases
2. Recovered cases
3.Deaths

If you look at my numbers I provided for the states of Georgia, Illinois, Texas and Washington, I wrote keep an eye on Georiga, keep an eye on Illinois, keep an eye on Texas and keep an Washington, Why?

Georgia's confirmed cases increased today by 696
Illinois confirmed cases increased today by 715
Texas confirmed cases increased by 672
Washington confirmed cases increased by 584

K so those are small increases by those 4 states which means we need to keep an eye on these 4 states to see if they have their peak. Those 4 states need more than 1 consecutive day of low increase in confirmed cases. It probably be a little while before one of the top states has 0 confirmed cases in a day, So if these 4 states can keep their increase in confirmed cases in a day to just a couple hundred cases, US states like those 4 states will shown they have hit their peak.

Other things I noticed:

1.Spain- Increase in recoveries today by 4096
2- USA- increase in confirmed cases today by almost 30,000
3. Florida still has 0 recoveries
4. Florida, California, Louisana and Mass could reach 10,000 confirmed cases on Friday
5. New York is probably going to reach 100,000 confirmed cases on Friday

Today's numbers as of 9pm from bing.com/covid

USA- 277,355 confirmed cases(+31,221 increase), 12,283 recoveries(+1880 increase), deaths- 7128(+1074 increase)
Florida- 10,268 confirmed cases(+1260 increase), 0 Recoveries
California- 10,701 confirmed cases( +764 increase), (Keep an eye on California)
Georgia- 5967 confirmed cases( +619 increase) (Keep an eye on Georgia)
Illinois- 8904 confirmed cases( +1209 increase)
Lousiana- 10,297 confirmed cases( +1147 increase)
Massachussets- 10,402 confirmed cases( +1436 increase)
Michigan- 12,744 confirmed cases( +1953 increase)
New Jersey- 29,895 confirmed cases( +4261 increase)
New York- 102,863 confirmed cases( +1864 increase), 8886 recoveries
Pennsylvania- 8420 confirmed cases(+1404 increase)
Texas- 5330 confirmed cases( +661 increase), (Keep an eye on Texas)
Washington- 7400 confirmed cases( +911 increase), (Keep an eye on Washington)

South Korea- 10,062 confirmed cases, 6021 recovered and 3867 active cases
Italy-119,827 confirmed cases( +3105 increase), Recoveries- 19758(+1480 increase)
Spain-119,119 confirmed cases( +3364 increase), Recoveries- 30,513(+3770 increase)

Illinois had a increase of 715 confirmed cases yesterday but increased by 1209 today so I took Illinois off the list. Georgia, Texas and Washington now have 2 consecutive days of low confirmed cases. Now I'm really following California which only had a increase of 764 confirmed cases today. Lets see on Saturday if Georgia, Texas and Washington can make 3 straight days of low confirmed cases and if California can make 2 straight day's of low confirmed cases and if maybe one of the top states can emerge. For now, Florida, Louisana, Mass, Michigan, New Jersey, New York and Penn are still doing bad. Spain has now 2 straight days of around 4000 recoveries each day.

[BadMofoPimp]

i am hearing a lot of noise about lawsuits coming out of all this. I wonder how scared FOX news is, with them downplaying Covid, calling it a smoke screen, encouraging people out. People like Nunes in California, encouraging people out. I wonder if they could/will be sued for risk/liability of life. im no lawyer, but will be interesting to watch.

Did you find that out by watching CNN about Fox, because I read where Fox was saying CNN was the ones downplaying calling it a hoax all along. Thus, depending on the news outlet your watching, they are all just trash talking each other. Unless you actually watched that news network make hoax claims, people are just promoting their sheeped reports from biased news outlets.

i found this out from friends in law firms in Atlanta. anything else you want to criticize me about?

on a side note, all you need is to watch older FOX broadcasts to see them.

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Can't stand Hannity but I think there is a massive problem with sheep taking sentences out of context of an actual interview instead of listening to the entire interview. Mind that this was at a time when nobody knew the extremities of the virus and we are learning more each week.

This was taken in part from a conversation that involved the death statistics being 1% at that time.

But still, we get people sheeped into believing lies based off some moronic meme.

This is why I can't stand to talk to people that repeat everything Fox, CNN or MSNBC feeds those sheep.

And, I have read about CNN and MSNBC doing just as bad with their Rhetoric. Get over it and unplug.

SEAN HANNITY (HOST): We gotta be very real with the American people, I don't like how we're scaring people unnecessarily. And that is that unless you have an immune system that is compromised, and you are older, and you have other underlying health issues you're not going to die 99% from this virus, correct?

[CONGRESSMAN] DOUG COLLINS: That is correct Sean, it's good to be with you again.

HANNITY: Alright so that's the point, I mean they're scaring the living hell out of people. And I see I seeing them again as like oh, okay, let's bludgeon Trump with this new hoax.

[MagicFan101]

Did you find that out by watching CNN about Fox, because I read where Fox was saying CNN was the ones downplaying calling it a hoax all along. Thus, depending on the news outlet your watching, they are all just trash talking each other. Unless you actually watched that news network make hoax claims, people are just promoting their sheeped reports from biased news outlets.

i found this out from friends in law firms in Atlanta. anything else you want to criticize me about?

on a side note, all you need is to watch older FOX broadcasts to see them.

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I think there is a massive problem with sheep taking sentences out of context of an actual interview instead of listening to the entire interview.

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This was taken in part from a conversation that involved the [b]death statistics being 1% at that time.[/b]

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But still, we get people sheeped into believing lies based off some moronic meme. Man, you sheep are hilarious.

This is why I can't stand to talk to people that repeat everything Fox, CNN or MSNBC feeds those sheep.

That part there. Read that again. Think hard to yourself about what you wrote, what the numbers were in other countries (especially a couple choice ones which also laughed this off early), where we are heading in terms of deaths in this country over the next few months and then see if you understand who the real sheep in this story is.

[BadMofoPimp]

i found this out from friends in law firms in Atlanta. anything else you want to criticize me about?

on a side note, all you need is to watch older FOX broadcasts to see them.

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I think there is a massive problem with sheep taking sentences out of context of an actual interview instead of listening to the entire interview.

==>>>

This was taken in part from a conversation that involved the [b]death statistics being 1% at that time.[/b]

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But still, we get people sheeped into believing lies based off some moronic meme. Man, you sheep are hilarious.

This is why I can't stand to talk to people that repeat everything Fox, CNN or MSNBC feeds those sheep.

That part there. Read that again. Think hard to yourself about what you wrote, what the numbers were in other countries (especially a couple choice ones which also laughed this off early), where we are heading in terms of deaths in this country over the next few months and then see if you understand who the real sheep in this story is.

So, we can endure endless liberals and conservatives disecting every conversation in hopes of blasting our senses with endless memes to improve their personal rhetoric. I get it.

I am more in the lines of not wanting to see that people posting crap they been sheeped into.

as Birk said before that moron Acosta interrupted:

"We can talk about why didn't Italy do something or Spain do something or Germany do something, or we can really say right now -- we all can do something," Dr. Birx explained. "We can do the social distancing and all of the pieces that we know is starting to work around the globe in country after country. And then when we get through all of this, we can ask the questions about could we have done some piece of this better as a global community."

"I will remind you that on February 3rd, the head of the WHO said there was no reason to ever do a travel ban," Dr. Birx continued. "It wasn't until January 14th that we knew that there was human-to-human transmission,"

[MagicFan101]

I think there is a massive problem with sheep taking sentences out of context of an actual interview instead of listening to the entire interview.

==>>>

This was taken in part from a conversation that involved the [b]death statistics being 1% at that time.[/b]

<<<==

But still, we get people sheeped into believing lies based off some moronic meme. Man, you sheep are hilarious.

This is why I can't stand to talk to people that repeat everything Fox, CNN or MSNBC feeds those sheep.

That part there. Read that again. Think hard to yourself about what you wrote, what the numbers were in other countries (especially a couple choice ones which also laughed this off early), where we are heading in terms of deaths in this country over the next few months and then see if you understand who the real sheep in this story is.

So, we can endure endless liberals and conservatives disecting every conversation in hopes of blasting our senses with endless memes to improve their personal rhetoric. I get it.

I am more in the lines of not wanting to see that people posting crap they been sheeped into.

as Birk said before that moron Acosta interrupted:

"We can talk about why didn't Italy do something or Spain do something or Germany do something, or we can really say right now -- we all can do something," Dr. Birx explained. "We can do the social distancing and all of the pieces that we know is starting to work around the globe in country after country. And then when we get through all of this, we can ask the questions about could we have done some piece of this better as a global community."

"I will remind you that on February 3rd, the head of the WHO said there was no reason to ever do a travel ban," Dr. Birx continued. "It wasn't until January 14th that we knew that there was human-to-human transmission,"

I’ll take your dodge off my suggestion as an admission a mistake on the matter. I accept your apology.

[BadMofoPimp]

That part there. Read that again. Think hard to yourself about what you wrote, what the numbers were in other countries (especially a couple choice ones which also laughed this off early), where we are heading in terms of deaths in this country over the next few months and then see if you understand who the real sheep in this story is.

So, we can endure endless liberals and conservatives disecting every conversation in hopes of blasting our senses with endless memes to improve their personal rhetoric. I get it.

I am more in the lines of not wanting to see that people posting crap they been sheeped into.

as Birk said before that moron Acosta interrupted:

"We can talk about why didn't Italy do something or Spain do something or Germany do something, or we can really say right now -- we all can do something," Dr. Birx explained. "We can do the social distancing and all of the pieces that we know is starting to work around the globe in country after country. And then when we get through all of this, we can ask the questions about could we have done some piece of this better as a global community."

"I will remind you that on February 3rd, the head of the WHO said there was no reason to ever do a travel ban," Dr. Birx continued. "It wasn't until January 14th that we knew that there was human-to-human transmission,"

I’ll take your dodge off my suggestion as an admission a mistake on the matter. I accept your apology.

AS OF MARCH 10th, there were 950 positive cases in the USA and 28 deaths. At that time all news outlets were downplaying the virus.

I take this as your admission that the Chinese Government was being honest in their statistical analysis and every government wasn't complicit in taking the virus lightly. Most of this country thought this wasn't anything serious until it was too late. But still, flame on.

I have seen your liberal persuasions on many posts, so I cannot change your views, so we can end it here and discontinue this discussion.

[CZ Eddie]

I read somewhere about how the football season might start later than usual.
And to make up for it, they would take a break over the winter and start up again in March/April next year.
And I couldn't help but think what a great idea that was.
Not just for this year/next year, but overall.

Start Football the same as usual.
Then take a break in January/February.
And re-start in March, but extend the season by a few games.

This gives injured (and regular) players a couple months to rest up, heal and get rejuvenated for the playoff push.

Not to mention, it would give us more games and more of the year with football.
And the same could be done with NBA. 82 games a year without anything other than a one week break?
Sheeit, give 'em a month or two break.

Screw baseball all those players standing around in one spot for most of their careers.

[Skybox]

So, we can endure endless liberals and conservatives disecting every conversation in hopes of blasting our senses with endless memes to improve their personal rhetoric. I get it.

I am more in the lines of not wanting to see that people posting crap they been sheeped into.

as Birk said before that moron Acosta interrupted:

I’ll take your dodge off my suggestion as an admission a mistake on the matter. I accept your apology.

AS OF MARCH 10th, there were 950 positive cases in the USA and 28 deaths. At that time all news outlets were downplaying the virus.

I take this as your admission that the Chinese Government was being honest in their statistical analysis and every government wasn't complicit in taking the virus lightly. Most of this country thought this wasn't anything serious until it was too late. But still, flame on.

I have seen your liberal persuasions on many posts, so I cannot change your views, so we can end it here and discontinue this discussion.

This is where it goes...here’s a video from Fox and the response is “CNN and MSNBC are fake too”...when Trump just LIES and denies it almost daily, it’s “what about her emails”...this absurd deflection, rationalization finger-pointing has just gotten so completely reflexive. People are so locked into their roles, they won’t consider what’s actually right in front of their noses. I don’t blame anybody in 2016 for wanting a”businessman to run things like a business” or voting to “drain the swamp” but to STILL be defending this train wreck of a human being...try “I was wrong, he’s really not what I thought, he’s really mishandled this...” Instead, they close ranks, never concede a point, never admit a mistake...so f**king disheartening. I grew up in NY. He was always an idiot. Everyday, he was quoted saying something stupid on the front of the Post and Steinbrenner saying something stupid on the back page...now this privileged model-groping Yankee slum-lord rich boy is the Adopted face of the religious right and the NRA and can do no wrong? What bizarro world did I wake up in?

I don’t blame him for being him but I’m so sad for what it says about us.

[Skybox]

So, we can endure endless liberals and conservatives disecting every conversation in hopes of blasting our senses with endless memes to improve their personal rhetoric. I get it.

I am more in the lines of not wanting to see that people posting crap they been sheeped into.

as Birk said before that moron Acosta interrupted:

I’ll take your dodge off my suggestion as an admission a mistake on the matter. I accept your apology.

AS OF MARCH 10th, there were 950 positive cases in the USA and 28 deaths. At that time all news outlets were downplaying the virus.

I take this as your admission that the Chinese Government was being honest in their statistical analysis and every government wasn't complicit in taking the virus lightly. Most of this country thought this wasn't anything serious until it was too late. But still, flame on.

I have seen your liberal persuasions on many posts, so I cannot change your views, so we can end it here and discontinue this discussion.

It’s called SCIENCE...nobody of any scientific merit figured it would peak at 950/28...same stuff being laughed at as the oceans heat up year after year. You can measure and predict things. Never mind, fall back in line before Obama comes and takes your guns And makes your kids gay and bans prayer...

[Gomagic44]

Don't do pimp like that because he has a different opinion than you. He's respectful. He participates.

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[OrlandO]

Let's not rewrite history, plenty of leaders of both parties downplayed and slowly took action as things unfolded...


NY Governor Cuomo February 26 - "This is not a situation that should cause undue fear among New Yorkers. For perspective, we've had 17,000 people in NYS last week who tested positive with the flu."

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NYC Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot on March 2 -

"We know that there’s currently no indication that it’s easy to transmit by casual contact. There's no need to do any special anything in the community. We want New Yorkers to go about their daily lives, ride the subway, take the bus, go see your neighbors."

NYC Mayor De Blasio on March 2: encouraged New Yorkers to go out on the town and have fun.

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Cuomo on March 6: "Listen to the facts — not the hype. Remember: We have far more people in the hospital from the flu than from #COVID19"

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De Blasio on MSNBC on March 10: "This disease, even if you were to get it, basically acts like a common cold or flu." "Transmission is not that easy..." "Even if god forbid we found a case in a school, we're not shutting down all our schools, we're not even shutting down that (one) school long term." "We cannot shut down because of undue fear."

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Cuomo and De Blasio finally agree to close NYC schools on March 16.

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Cuomo March 18: “That is not going to happen, shelter in place, for New York City” “For any city or county to take an emergency action, the state has to approve it. And I wouldn’t approve shelter in place.” “The fear, the panic is a bigger problem than the virus.”

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Cuomo finally issues stay at home order starting March 21 (10,356 cases in NY)

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Cuomo and De Blasio don't close down playgrounds/basketball courts in NYC until April 1 (83,712 cases in NY):

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The World Health Organization... the "experts"

WHO January 9 - "WHO advises against the application of any travel or trade restrictions on China"

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WHO January 16 - "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission"

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WHO on February 25 - downplayed asymptomatic transmission

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WHO on February 29 - "WHO continues to advise against the application of travel or trade restrictions to countries experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks." https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/updated-who-recommendations-for-international-traffic-in-relation-to-covid-19-outbreak

WHO doesn't declare pandemic until March 11

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[spinedoc]

Let's not rewrite history, plenty of leaders of both parties downplayed and slowly took action as things unfolded...

Okay, but lets not confuse the rewriting of history and conflating things either. There is a difference between the information lag of this virus and flat out deflecting and blaming others. There is a difference between measured responses based on the information you currently have and being in total denial. Each step along the way there were changes, no one completely closed down at the first sight of this. Hell, we have state orders in 4/5ths of the states and there still isn't a shut down. Macy's, Wal-mart, and other retail stores are just now talking about limiting the number of shoppers in their stores. Why is Macy's even open? In my area Maytag and M&M Mars are still operating, and many other factories, even though its not essential to have dishwashers and candy at this time. There is no national plan, everyone is looking for guidance from our federal government as what to do and we can't get simple and straight answers in April now. We are all operating 1-2 weeks at a time with no mention on what will happen after that. The only plan right now is to flatten the curve, even though the wave is different across the country. What then? People are still going to get this at alarming rates, still going to die. I'm not blaming the President for learning about the virus like the rest of us, I'm blaming him for turning it into a political crisis from the get go. He called it a hoax perpetrated by the Democrats, that is far different than having a reasonable debate as to whether to close schools or not. We all thought it was strictly old people at first, no one is blaming anyone else for that. You are doing the same what about-ism that happens every time something bad happens. You are deflecting and confounding things to spread the blame around. Not once can you criticize the man in charge, not concede on anything that you may have been wrong about with this man. Its always, yeah but what about your guy. I'm surprised you didn't have an Obama clip there, like Trump has been trying to pin this on as well. When another teams fan tells you they think DJ Augustin sucks, do you just roll clips of other point guards? You are suggesting with this exercise that people should not feel the right to be upset at the President for his response to this crisis. Why don't you address those concerns instead of playing what about-ism. No sir, you are the one that is trying to re-write history here.

[fklt]

there's a curve of perception and more you're behind, the more you're to blame in this.

when it hit Wuhan first China downplayed it. as the numbers started to show up tho, people over there started to take this **** seriously. I have friends in China. they were panicking and when I was telling them to relax they were not appreciating my tone. by mid-late january no one could leave their homes, and the entire country was locked down. even by the time they took these draconian measures, which is something that they've never done before, I was still so sure this thing was just another SARS and people were riding the fear potential for self-gain. around the end of february with 6 weeks of never before seen precautions, they took control and managed to stop the spread. and the fact that they stopped it, combined with the fact that past epidemics in the last 20 years were all handled pretty easily, made everyone in the western world confident and careless. I didn't even look at the numbers closely. the death rate in China was 2 per cent, but in Wuhan, it was around 3.5% even with them mobilizing the whole nation to help just that one area. at this time, only countries that taking this thing seriously were hong kong, singapore and taiwan because they had the first-hand experience from before.

it hit iran towards the end of february. death rate skyrocketed to around 10 per cent, and high profile Iranian ministers got it. I can't forget the sight of that health minister sweating uncomfortably on live TV only to turn up with the virus himself. people thought this could be a different strain of the virus because of deadly it was. but the truth was, we were just witnessing what it could do to a country when their healthcare systems are overloaded (probably lack of testing contributed to visible death rate as well though). some states like Germany in Europe at this point start to take it seriously, but the most did not. most people thought it was because it was Iran, and we all know they don't have their **** together. my friends included.

it hit italy, around the same time too. but it was local just yet, just Lombardy. it was only when they declared the lockdown, Europe began to open its eyes. not the UK though, they may have nationalized healthcare, but they've been a wannabe USA for years now, and they gutted it as much as they can. they are the peak of neoliberalism in Europe. they were the first ones to say what all neoliberals were thinking out loud: why don't we let all the old people die and keep the economy open. think of all the gains, they are a burden on the economy anyway. because all of these bastards are quite optimistic in their greed when what they are gambling on is just the life of the peasants. in 2 weeks they noticed that was not possible to do, when no one can go to the hospital it's not just old people who die. the civil unrest that would come with it could cost everything, so they changed course after mid-march. it's too late though. they'll probably have it worst in Europe with the most amount of deaths soon enough with their disgusting response.

not the worst in the world, of course, there is always USA. the country with no labour-based political party to balance out the insatiable greed of capital owners. almost all of the mayors and governors of both parties ignored it because taking precautions would hurt their stocks. being shortsighted and prioritizing the short-term gains was always the name of the game. team Biden and democratic media were even pushing people to go out and vote on the primaries because guaranteeing the existence the insurance companies was still a higher priority than stopping the spread of disease. basically, democrats mostly were acknowledging the disease but they're downplaying its severity. none of them though, claimed it was a hoax and a conspiracy other than the republican political establishment with its media extension. they made the worst impact because they convinced half of the population to never take this **** seriously. seeds of doubt they sowed are too deep still, as some people continue to think this thing as made-up. you can see some of the victims of their propaganda even in this thread, claiming other people as sheep, protecting their leader from the outcomes of this little unfortunate circumstance that liberals are surely taking advantage to hurt trump. republicans are still refusing the act federally because no one wants to be the one who gives the unpopular orders. they are still playing petty political games on who to help and who to punish because they think it would help with their own self-preservation. Florida managed to finish the entirety of march without even a shelter in place order, and places of worship are still open. there are hospitals that punished their healthcare workers for using protective equipment because it would hurt their image and scare patients for god's sake. the hard truth is, at the end of all this, the USA will be the country that has it the worst in the developed world. ironically as the most powerful country in the world right now, with its institutional resistances to help people. not China, not Germany, not Italy, not Spain, not France, not even the UK. the country who could print trillions of dollars out of thin air when they want, but disbanded the pandemics team to save few bucks cause why the hell not.

so to sum it up, if you wanna throw blame around, there are lots and lots deserving people. none more so than trump and the whole of the republican party though.

[Gomagic44]

We failed as a nation at responding to this. No one wanted to admit **** had hit the fan. All elected officials were reactionary and not pro active at heading this off. Buts it's the federal governments job. In the event of a national attack I don't look to Ron Desantis to protect me. I look to the President. He **** the bed. That's not a partisan thing. His response was partisan. His favoritism to governor's who licked his boots, the reporters who asked planted questions is gross. He admitted that mail in ballots would end the Republican party lol. It's just an unmitigated disaster. Now we are siphoning off medical supplies from Canada and other countries so that we can sell them to states at a profit? The **** is wrong with us? I just hope we can come out of this with some of our dignity intact. We have to have a better response to tragedy as a nation. This feels like a banana republic.

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[spinedoc]

And before this turns into a partisan food fight, Trump just fired the inspector general of the intelligence community yesterday. A hand picked Republican hired by Trump himself. This is no liberal wall flower. The only thing he did wrong was to refer a complaint to congress which he is mandated to do by law. It was not his fault that Trump was impeached based on that evidence, but he still got fired anyway, at a time Trump should be focused on a pandemic by the way. None of this is really about partisanship, this is about loyalty. This is why populism is so dangerous, he isn't even a conservative Republican, and he surely is no Christian either. I repeat, this is not about Republicans vs Democrats, us and them has a whole different meaning here.

[Gomagic44]

Yeah it's a bad look. The navy captain and now this. Is he even replacing the guy or instituting another acting director. It's scary how little of our government is actually staffed these days. It leads to...this. it leads to this **** we are in. Hard to respond when your half staffed, underfunded.

And before this turns into a partisan food fight, Trump just fired the inspector general of the intelligence community yesterday. A hand picked Republican hired by Trump himself. This is no liberal wall flower. The only thing he did wrong was to refer a complaint to congress which he is mandated to do by law. It was not his fault that Trump was impeached based on that evidence, but he still got fired anyway, at a time Trump should be focused on a pandemic by the way. None of this is really about partisanship, this is about loyalty. This is why populism is so dangerous, he isn't even a conservative Republican, and he surely is no Christian either. I repeat, this is not about Republicans vs Democrats, us and them has a whole different meaning here.

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[basketballRob]

It also took NY a month to get a reliable sample so they could make a test. That was on the CDC.

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[spinedoc]

It also took NY a month to get a reliable sample so they could make a test. That was on the CDC.

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This is the key, testing. Without it, we are going 90mph down a dark road with no headlights, careening from guard rail to guard rail. Its like arguing about how good a shooter is without ever looking at their FG%. This and the lack of a federal distribution of equipment, are the two biggest factors lacking at the moment. The states are having to barter on their own, both in competition with another and also coordination. The argument for a lack of centralized federal government is on display, how y'all like it?