When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

[basketballRob]

Issac is correct. It's not lazy of him to redirect racism towards Jesus, that's what Jesus came here to do (heal all of us, and take a beating on that cross to be forgiven of our sins). If you have a problem with Jonathan's take on this, that is fine. Your judgement on him will not affect his faith, it will only detract from your own. Who are any of us to judge him anyways?

I'm not judging his faith - I don't believe in it but that's whatever. I'm criticizing the idea he presented that kneeling to bring awareness to an issue isn't the way to help. JI repeatedly said in his presser that kneeling and wearing a shirt wasn't the way to support black lives but the only way he presented instead of that was to find jesus. Kneeling and wearing a shirt at least brought attention to a real life tangible issue - JI standing detracted from it and instead promoted some sort of fairy tale that doesn't help the real life tangible issue.

No one cares. You've been trying for months to make it an issue.

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[LDNMagic90]

Is this the interview you guys have been debating about?

"I believe that Black Lives Matter. A lot went into my decision, and part of it is, I thought that kneeling or wearing the Black Lives Matter t-shirt doesn't go hand-in-hand with supporting Black lives. So I felt like, just me personally, what is that I believe is taking on a stance that, I do believe that Black lives matter, but I just felt like it was a decision that I had to make, and I didn't feel like putting that shirt on and kneeling went hand in hand with supporting Black lives. I believe that for myself, my life has been supported by gospel, Jesus Christ, and everyone is made in the image of God and that we all forge through God's glory.

Each and every one of us do things that we shouldn't do and say things that we shouldn't say. We hate and dislike things that we shouldn't hate and dislike, and sometimes it gets to a point where we point fingers, whose evil is worse, and sometimes it comes down to whose evil is most visible. So I felt like I wanted to take a stand on, we all make mistakes, but I think that the gospel of Jesus Christ is that there's grace for us, and that Jesus came and died for our sins and that if we all come to an understanding of that and that God wants to have a relationship with us, that we can get kept all of the things in our world that our messed up, jacked up.

I think when you look around, racism isn't the only thing that plagues our society, that plagues our nation, that plagues our world, and I think coming together on that message that we want to get past not only racism but everything that plagues as us as a society, I feel like the answer to that is gospel."

[swarlesbarkley]

Is this the interview you guys have been debating about?

"I believe that Black Lives Matter. A lot went into my decision, and part of it is, I thought that kneeling or wearing the Black Lives Matter t-shirt doesn't go hand-in-hand with supporting Black lives. So I felt like, just me personally, what is that I believe is taking on a stance that, I do believe that Black lives matter, but I just felt like it was a decision that I had to make, and I didn't feel like putting that shirt on and kneeling went hand in hand with supporting Black lives. I believe that for myself, my life has been supported by gospel, Jesus Christ, and everyone is made in the image of God and that we all forge through God's glory.

Each and every one of us do things that we shouldn't do and say things that we shouldn't say. We hate and dislike things that we shouldn't hate and dislike, and sometimes it gets to a point where we point fingers, whose evil is worse, and sometimes it comes down to whose evil is most visible. So I felt like I wanted to take a stand on, we all make mistakes, but I think that the gospel of Jesus Christ is that there's grace for us, and that Jesus came and died for our sins and that if we all come to an understanding of that and that God wants to have a relationship with us, that we can get kept all of the things in our world that our messed up, jacked up.

I think when you look around, racism isn't the only thing that plagues our society, that plagues our nation, that plagues our world, and I think coming together on that message that we want to get past not only racism but everything that plagues as us as a society, I feel like the answer to that is gospel."

That's a snippet from the presser immediately following the whole kneel/stand thing.

I'm not sure where bballrob heard that JI said he stood because he believes members of BLM are racist, which bballrob was using as an example of JI being a "free thinker", but it definitely wasn't in the presser immediately after the situation.

[basketballRob]

Is this the interview you guys have been debating about?

"I believe that Black Lives Matter. A lot went into my decision, and part of it is, I thought that kneeling or wearing the Black Lives Matter t-shirt doesn't go hand-in-hand with supporting Black lives. So I felt like, just me personally, what is that I believe is taking on a stance that, I do believe that Black lives matter, but I just felt like it was a decision that I had to make, and I didn't feel like putting that shirt on and kneeling went hand in hand with supporting Black lives. I believe that for myself, my life has been supported by gospel, Jesus Christ, and everyone is made in the image of God and that we all forge through God's glory.

Each and every one of us do things that we shouldn't do and say things that we shouldn't say. We hate and dislike things that we shouldn't hate and dislike, and sometimes it gets to a point where we point fingers, whose evil is worse, and sometimes it comes down to whose evil is most visible. So I felt like I wanted to take a stand on, we all make mistakes, but I think that the gospel of Jesus Christ is that there's grace for us, and that Jesus came and died for our sins and that if we all come to an understanding of that and that God wants to have a relationship with us, that we can get kept all of the things in our world that our messed up, jacked up.

I think when you look around, racism isn't the only thing that plagues our society, that plagues our nation, that plagues our world, and I think coming together on that message that we want to get past not only racism but everything that plagues as us as a society, I feel like the answer to that is gospel."

That's a snippet from the presser immediately following the whole kneel/stand thing.

I'm not sure where bballrob heard that JI said he stood because he believes members of BLM are racist, which bballrob was using as an example of JI being a "free thinker", but it definitely wasn't in the presser immediately after the situation.

All members of BLM aren't racist but racism exist everywhere is what he was saying.

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[LDNMagic90]

Is this the interview you guys have been debating about?

"I believe that Black Lives Matter. A lot went into my decision, and part of it is, I thought that kneeling or wearing the Black Lives Matter t-shirt doesn't go hand-in-hand with supporting Black lives. So I felt like, just me personally, what is that I believe is taking on a stance that, I do believe that Black lives matter, but I just felt like it was a decision that I had to make, and I didn't feel like putting that shirt on and kneeling went hand in hand with supporting Black lives. I believe that for myself, my life has been supported by gospel, Jesus Christ, and everyone is made in the image of God and that we all forge through God's glory.

Each and every one of us do things that we shouldn't do and say things that we shouldn't say. We hate and dislike things that we shouldn't hate and dislike, and sometimes it gets to a point where we point fingers, whose evil is worse, and sometimes it comes down to whose evil is most visible. So I felt like I wanted to take a stand on, we all make mistakes, but I think that the gospel of Jesus Christ is that there's grace for us, and that Jesus came and died for our sins and that if we all come to an understanding of that and that God wants to have a relationship with us, that we can get kept all of the things in our world that our messed up, jacked up.

I think when you look around, racism isn't the only thing that plagues our society, that plagues our nation, that plagues our world, and I think coming together on that message that we want to get past not only racism but everything that plagues as us as a society, I feel like the answer to that is gospel."

That's a snippet from the presser immediately following the whole kneel/stand thing.

I'm not sure where bballrob heard that JI said he stood because he believes members of BLM are racist, which bballrob was using as an example of JI being a "free thinker", but it definitely wasn't in the presser immediately after the situation.

Tbh that's all I've seen about that incident, I've googled Isaac and BLM racist/variations of that and it's just that interview that pops up. I don't think Isaac has ever said that they are racist otherwise it would've blown up way more than it did, it was already a big deal when he didn't kneel. So imagine the added backlash if he said they were racist especially in 2020.

[swarlesbarkley]

Is this the interview you guys have been debating about?

That's a snippet from the presser immediately following the whole kneel/stand thing.

I'm not sure where bballrob heard that JI said he stood because he believes members of BLM are racist, which bballrob was using as an example of JI being a "free thinker", but it definitely wasn't in the presser immediately after the situation.

All members of BLM aren't racist but racism exist everywhere is what he was saying.

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What is "the most basic and unhelpful way of looking at the situation", Alex!

But alas - this is all very old news and certainly JI has moved on to something more basketball related since 2020...

[basketballRob]

That's a snippet from the presser immediately following the whole kneel/stand thing.

I'm not sure where bballrob heard that JI said he stood because he believes members of BLM are racist, which bballrob was using as an example of JI being a "free thinker", but it definitely wasn't in the presser immediately after the situation.

All members of BLM aren't racist but racism exist everywhere is what he was saying.

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What is "the most basic and unhelpful way of looking at the situation", Alex!

But alas - this is all very old news and certainly JI has moved on to something more basketball related since 2020...

Hopefully, my therapy helped you overcome this.

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[basketballRob]

Is this the interview you guys have been debating about?

That's a snippet from the presser immediately following the whole kneel/stand thing.

I'm not sure where bballrob heard that JI said he stood because he believes members of BLM are racist, which bballrob was using as an example of JI being a "free thinker", but it definitely wasn't in the presser immediately after the situation.

Tbh that's all I've seen about that incident, I've googled Isaac and BLM racist/variations of that and it's just that interview that pops up. I don't think Isaac has ever said that they are racist otherwise it would've blown up way more than it did, it was already a big deal when he didn't kneel. So imagine the added backlash if he said they were racist especially in 2020.

I took it as racism is everywhere and he didn't want to pick a side because both have racism in them. Sucks that some far-left folks have to make an issue out of him remaining neutral.


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[LDNMagic90]

That's a snippet from the presser immediately following the whole kneel/stand thing.

I'm not sure where bballrob heard that JI said he stood because he believes members of BLM are racist, which bballrob was using as an example of JI being a "free thinker", but it definitely wasn't in the presser immediately after the situation.

Tbh that's all I've seen about that incident, I've googled Isaac and BLM racist/variations of that and it's just that interview that pops up. I don't think Isaac has ever said that they are racist otherwise it would've blown up way more than it did, it was already a big deal when he didn't kneel. So imagine the added backlash if he said they were racist especially in 2020.

I took it as racism is everywhere and he didn't want to pick a side because both have racism in them. Sucks that some far-left folks have to make an issue out of him remaining neutral.


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Ironically I'm sure a lot of people have moved on, up till he had his interview with Ben Shapiro. I can see Isaac's point but like others have said you are just opening the door to be manipulated by the far right groups. It's cash money for them to use him for their own agenda's since most people assume NBA stars are more on the right than left.

What I find weird is how something about race has now become about politics?

[swarlesbarkley]

That's a snippet from the presser immediately following the whole kneel/stand thing.

I'm not sure where bballrob heard that JI said he stood because he believes members of BLM are racist, which bballrob was using as an example of JI being a "free thinker", but it definitely wasn't in the presser immediately after the situation.

Tbh that's all I've seen about that incident, I've googled Isaac and BLM racist/variations of that and it's just that interview that pops up. I don't think Isaac has ever said that they are racist otherwise it would've blown up way more than it did, it was already a big deal when he didn't kneel. So imagine the added backlash if he said they were racist especially in 2020.

I took it as racism is everywhere and he didn't want to pick a side because both have racism in them. Sucks that some far-left folks have to make an issue out of him remaining neutral.


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Funny that JI being "neutral" led to him getting interview spots on right-wing media.

Some famous smart dudes once said that remaining neutral in a situation is choosing sides with the oppressor - might be worth a google search.

[basketballRob]

Tbh that's all I've seen about that incident, I've googled Isaac and BLM racist/variations of that and it's just that interview that pops up. I don't think Isaac has ever said that they are racist otherwise it would've blown up way more than it did, it was already a big deal when he didn't kneel. So imagine the added backlash if he said they were racist especially in 2020.

I took it as racism is everywhere and he didn't want to pick a side because both have racism in them. Sucks that some far-left folks have to make an issue out of him remaining neutral.


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Funny that JI being "neutral" led to him getting interview spots on right-wing media.

Some famous smart dudes once said that remaining neutral in a situation is choosing sides with the oppressor - might be worth a google search.

No one on the opposite side has asked him to do an interview. Yes, I've heard him say this. Isaac likes to get his word out and wouldn't turn down an interview.

Many Christians throughout history have chosen to remain neutral. I think their right should be protected and they shouldn't suffer persecution because of their faith.




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[swarlesbarkley]

I took it as racism is everywhere and he didn't want to pick a side because both have racism in them. Sucks that some far-left folks have to make an issue out of him remaining neutral.


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Funny that JI being "neutral" led to him getting interview spots on right-wing media.

Some famous smart dudes once said that remaining neutral in a situation is choosing sides with the oppressor - might be worth a google search.

No one on the opposite side has asked him to do an interview. Yes, I've heard him say this. Isaac likes to get his word out and wouldn't turn down an interview.

Many Christians throughout history have chosen to remain neutral. I think their right should be protected and they shouldn't suffer persecution because of their faith.




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You said "far-left folks have to make an issue out of him remaining neutral" but only right-wing media asked him for interviews after... doesn't that mean right-wing media made an issue out of it?

I definitely have some bias in this situation and I feel like I've stated it a few times but it's interesting when people try to take the 'I'm in the middle' while making comments that clearly show their inner bias.

Your comment about Christrians remaining neutral doesn't negate the idea that remaining neutral chooses sides with the oppressor.

[davey_wavy]

Issac is correct. It's not lazy of him to redirect racism towards Jesus, that's what Jesus came here to do (heal all of us, and take a beating on that cross to be forgiven of our sins). If you have a problem with Jonathan's take on this, that is fine. Your judgement on him will not affect his faith, it will only detract from your own. Who are any of us to judge him anyways?

I'm not judging his faith - I don't believe in it but that's whatever. I'm criticizing the idea he presented that kneeling to bring awareness to an issue isn't the way to help. JI repeatedly said in his presser that kneeling and wearing a shirt wasn't the way to support black lives but the only way he presented instead of that was to find jesus. Kneeling and wearing a shirt at least brought attention to a real life tangible issue - JI standing detracted from it and instead promoted some sort of fairy tale that doesn't help the real life tangible issue.

You lack faith brother. The things Jonathan speaks of are not fairy tale, they are convictions he holds. If in his heart his faith says to stand and not bow, then he's doing what HE feels he needs to do. 99% of the bubble kneeled, he's the 1% that stood, yet you focus on him (and say he's a detractor). Believing in purpose, and believing God does help real life tangible issues. And not only does it help, it far outweighs ANYTHING an organization like Black Lives Matter could every accomplish. You have no faith, therefore you will never know truth for what it is, and because of that you will also never understand why JI is who he is and why he did what he did.

With that being said, we need him back this coming season. I think with him, we are in the play ins next year

[swarlesbarkley]

Issac is correct. It's not lazy of him to redirect racism towards Jesus, that's what Jesus came here to do (heal all of us, and take a beating on that cross to be forgiven of our sins). If you have a problem with Jonathan's take on this, that is fine. Your judgement on him will not affect his faith, it will only detract from your own. Who are any of us to judge him anyways?

I'm not judging his faith - I don't believe in it but that's whatever. I'm criticizing the idea he presented that kneeling to bring awareness to an issue isn't the way to help. JI repeatedly said in his presser that kneeling and wearing a shirt wasn't the way to support black lives but the only way he presented instead of that was to find jesus. Kneeling and wearing a shirt at least brought attention to a real life tangible issue - JI standing detracted from it and instead promoted some sort of fairy tale that doesn't help the real life tangible issue.

You lack faith brother. The things Jonathan speaks of are not fairy tale, they are convictions he holds. If in his heart his faith says to stand and not bow, then he's doing what HE feels he needs to do. 99% of the bubble kneeled, he's the 1% that stood, yet you focus on him (and say he's a detractor). Believing in purpose, and believing God does help real life tangible issues. And not only does it help, it far outweighs ANYTHING an organization like Black Lives Matter could every accomplish. You have no faith, therefore you will never know truth for what it is, and because of that you will also never understand why JI is who he is and why he did what he did.

With that being said, we need him back this coming season. I think with him, we are in the play ins next year

I get it - that's what JI believes. But even if we assume that a person becomes more "moral" (less racist in this case) if they start believing in God or a higher purpose, did JI take any action to make this happen or did he just say a bunch of fluff that means something to him and ends there? Did he reach out to the Kenosha police department to help them all find God? Did he reach out to Jacob Blake's family?

Or by standing was he saying he didn't want to take any action? If that's the case, is it really that noble? He states that "black lives matter" and that parts of "our world" are "jacked up" so I'd hope he'd want to take action on something in this situation.

[thelead]

This whole conversation is stupid. The ONLY thing I will criticize him for is allowing himself to be grouped with 'Qanon-friendly' events. That is not defendable. Everything else are his beliefs and opinions. And while I don't agree with some of it, I'm not going to hate him for that. When he said he didn't want the vaccine, I initially was annoyed but then he said it was because he already had COVID... science says that is a pretty valid reason not to NEED the vaccine from most of the data I've seen. That said, stay the F away from Qanon JI....

[cedric76]

Gents, time to turn off your TV and stop being brainwashed

[thelead]

Gents, time to turn off your TV and stop being brainwashed

OR.... have a brain, read/watch both sides, and then form an informed opinion.

[DiplomaticMagic]

I dont agree with Isaac's political or religious stance. But I still dont see his beliefs being a detriment to the locker room.

JI was actually the one who organized the team trip to South Carolina last year. I know RJ and Mo were both asked which one of their teammates would they let date their sister, they both said nobody but JI. I know thats a joke but it just doesnt appear to be any animosity towards him. This isn't the same team when he got hurt, but when Isaac got hurt in the bubble, you could see the devastation in all of our players faces. He was beloved back than, dont see why he cant be now when he actually plays

The vaccine thing, I did have a little problem with it, mostly because coronavirus was a big issue at the time and he was limiting himself in the games he can play in. But hopefully its not going to be a big issue going forward.

I just really want to see Isaac on the court. He's a very unselfish and talented player on the court and he really compliments our players and could unlock an elite defense.