Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory

[bigdogdylan5]

Minny and GS at one and two pick could be interesting to get them in a bidding war for AG

[The Real Dalic]

Minny and GS at one and two pick could be interesting to get them in a bidding war for AG

Both teams could really use AG to get better to add on to their picks. Adding a Top 2 talent and AG would be huge for both. Not sure what either would realistically give us though. The Wolves seem to have the most interesting realistic pieces.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

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[KillMonger]

Minny and GS at one and two pick could be interesting to get them in a bidding war for AG

Both teams could really use AG to get better to add on to their picks. Adding a Top 2 talent and AG would be huge for both. Not sure what either would realistically give us though. The Wolves seem to have the most interesting realistic pieces.

if we're trading AG we're getting one of those top picks.....They don't have anything else we want other than the picks since they aren't trading their stars

[fendilim]

Minny and GS at one and two pick could be interesting to get them in a bidding war for AG

Both teams could really use AG to get better to add on to their picks. Adding a Top 2 talent and AG would be huge for both. Not sure what either would realistically give us though. The Wolves seem to have the most interesting realistic pieces.

if we're trading AG we're getting one of those top picks.....They don't have anything else we want other than the picks since they aren't trading their stars

Then there’s no realistic deal then. Unless we include future pick/s, which I dont really think we’ll do.

[Husky1]

Culver and pick 17 should do it. Thats a pretty good haul.

[The Effect]

Minny and GS at one and two pick could be interesting to get them in a bidding war for AG

Both teams could really use AG to get better to add on to their picks. Adding a Top 2 talent and AG would be huge for both. Not sure what either would realistically give us though. The Wolves seem to have the most interesting realistic pieces.

if we're trading AG we're getting one of those top picks.....They don't have anything else we want other than the picks since they aren't trading their stars

Neither team is giving up their pick for Gordon
0% chance

If we are trading with those guys
it would be for wiggins (not #2), or Culver+James Johnson and maybe 17 (NOT #1)

[pepe1991]

You won't get top 2 pick for 7th year , 0 times allstar
Gordon is maybe, at most, worth 10th pick.
Just salary control over rookie has more value than Gordon...

[KillMonger]

Both teams could really use AG to get better to add on to their picks. Adding a Top 2 talent and AG would be huge for both. Not sure what either would realistically give us though. The Wolves seem to have the most interesting realistic pieces.

if we're trading AG we're getting one of those top picks.....They don't have anything else we want other than the picks since they aren't trading their stars

Neither team is giving up their pick for Gordon
0% chance

If we are trading with those guys
it would be for wiggins (not #2), or Culver+James Johnson and maybe 17 (NOT #1)

it depends on what the deal is.....are the top players in this draft project to be even as good as wiggins? wiggins isn't chop liver he's a career 20 point scorer

[pepe1991]

if we're trading AG we're getting one of those top picks.....They don't have anything else we want other than the picks since they aren't trading their stars

Neither team is giving up their pick for Gordon
0% chance

If we are trading with those guys
it would be for wiggins (not #2), or Culver+James Johnson and maybe 17 (NOT #1)

it depends on what the deal is.....are the top players in this draft project to be even as good as wiggins? wiggins isn't chop liver he's a career 20 point scorer

lol man his 20 points has no value whatsoever . If you take a look at his points added by him taking shots, for career he contributed to
negative 550 points added . He literally makes team worst with every shot he takes
He had season where he had 0,12 win share ( same year, Towns had 10,4).

Andrew Wiggins is simply negative contributor on the floor no matter how you slice it. Having low usage role player like PJ Tucker or even somebody like Royce O'Neale or Danny Green has more value for a team than having him.

And there is his price tag of $30M that nobody wants to touch.

Even if 2020 draft isn't some epic - future HOF class, there is better chance of having solid basketball player than turning Wiggins into a one.

[KillMonger]

Neither team is giving up their pick for Gordon
0% chance

If we are trading with those guys
it would be for wiggins (not #2), or Culver+James Johnson and maybe 17 (NOT #1)

it depends on what the deal is.....are the top players in this draft project to be even as good as wiggins? wiggins isn't chop liver he's a career 20 point scorer

lol man his 20 points has no value whatsoever . If you take a look at his points added by him taking shots, for career he contributed to
negative 550 points added . He literally makes team worst with every shot he takes
He had season where he had 0,12 win share ( same year, Towns had 10,4).

Andrew Wiggins is simply negative contributor on the floor no matter how you slice it. Having low usage role player like PJ Tucker or even somebody like Royce O'Neale or Danny Green has more value for a team than having him.

And there is his price tag of $30M that nobody wants to touch.

Even if 2020 draft isn't some epic - future HOF class, there is better chance of having solid basketball player than turning Wiggins into a one.

Well i guess it's up to interpretation because i'm no where near as high on any of these guys as others here....no one in this draft to me is a once in a generation.....no one in this draft to me is a perennial all-star.....i barely see any of these top guys making an all-star team because of their flaws.....beauty is in the eye of the beholder and i heard woj say that some of these top teams are seriously looking into trading down so my point stands strong.....it depends on what's on the table and who's involved in the deal

[OrlMagic05]

it depends on what the deal is.....are the top players in this draft project to be even as good as wiggins? wiggins isn't chop liver he's a career 20 point scorer

lol man his 20 points has no value whatsoever . If you take a look at his points added by him taking shots, for career he contributed to
negative 550 points added . He literally makes team worst with every shot he takes
He had season where he had 0,12 win share ( same year, Towns had 10,4).

Andrew Wiggins is simply negative contributor on the floor no matter how you slice it. Having low usage role player like PJ Tucker or even somebody like Royce O'Neale or Danny Green has more value for a team than having him.

And there is his price tag of $30M that nobody wants to touch.

Even if 2020 draft isn't some epic - future HOF class, there is better chance of having solid basketball player than turning Wiggins into a one.

Well i guess it's up to interpretation because i'm no where near as high on any of these guys as others here....no one in this draft to me is a once in a generation.....no one in this draft to me is a perennial all-star.....i barely see any of these top guys making an all-star team because of their flaws.....beauty is in the eye of the beholder and i heard woj say that some of these top teams are seriously looking into trading down so my point stands strong.....it depends on what's on the table and who's involved in the deal

AG is not worth a top 5 pick unfortunately. If MIn and GS are looking to trade their picks It’s for an all-star like booker or someone of his caliber, not AG.

[pepe1991]

lol man his 20 points has no value whatsoever . If you take a look at his points added by him taking shots, for career he contributed to
negative 550 points added . He literally makes team worst with every shot he takes
He had season where he had 0,12 win share ( same year, Towns had 10,4).

Andrew Wiggins is simply negative contributor on the floor no matter how you slice it. Having low usage role player like PJ Tucker or even somebody like Royce O'Neale or Danny Green has more value for a team than having him.

And there is his price tag of $30M that nobody wants to touch.

Even if 2020 draft isn't some epic - future HOF class, there is better chance of having solid basketball player than turning Wiggins into a one.

Well i guess it's up to interpretation because i'm no where near as high on any of these guys as others here....no one in this draft to me is a once in a generation.....no one in this draft to me is a perennial all-star.....i barely see any of these top guys making an all-star team because of their flaws.....beauty is in the eye of the beholder and i heard woj say that some of these top teams are seriously looking into trading down so my point stands strong.....it depends on what's on the table and who's involved in the deal

AG is not worth a top 5 pick unfortunately. If MIn and GS are looking to trade their picks It’s for an all-star like booker or someone of his caliber, not AG.

I agree, biggest appeal of lottery pick (other than ability to draft whoever you want ) is that you have full control of his salary for years.
Gordon is, from their perspective, two years rental until he leaves or becomes expensive or declines as player.

[KillMonger]

lol man his 20 points has no value whatsoever . If you take a look at his points added by him taking shots, for career he contributed to
negative 550 points added . He literally makes team worst with every shot he takes
He had season where he had 0,12 win share ( same year, Towns had 10,4).

Andrew Wiggins is simply negative contributor on the floor no matter how you slice it. Having low usage role player like PJ Tucker or even somebody like Royce O'Neale or Danny Green has more value for a team than having him.

And there is his price tag of $30M that nobody wants to touch.

Even if 2020 draft isn't some epic - future HOF class, there is better chance of having solid basketball player than turning Wiggins into a one.

Well i guess it's up to interpretation because i'm no where near as high on any of these guys as others here....no one in this draft to me is a once in a generation.....no one in this draft to me is a perennial all-star.....i barely see any of these top guys making an all-star team because of their flaws.....beauty is in the eye of the beholder and i heard woj say that some of these top teams are seriously looking into trading down so my point stands strong.....it depends on what's on the table and who's involved in the deal

AG is not worth a top 5 pick unfortunately. If MIn and GS are looking to trade their picks It’s for an all-star like booker or someone of his caliber, not AG.

sure not AG by himself...it depends on the deal and the dance partners....none of the top guys are worth booker....not even close...not in this draft....maybe cade in next years is worth d books

[Ducklett]

lol man his 20 points has no value whatsoever . If you take a look at his points added by him taking shots, for career he contributed to
negative 550 points added . He literally makes team worst with every shot he takes
He had season where he had 0,12 win share ( same year, Towns had 10,4).

Andrew Wiggins is simply negative contributor on the floor no matter how you slice it. Having low usage role player like PJ Tucker or even somebody like Royce O'Neale or Danny Green has more value for a team than having him.

And there is his price tag of $30M that nobody wants to touch.

Even if 2020 draft isn't some epic - future HOF class, there is better chance of having solid basketball player than turning Wiggins into a one.

Well i guess it's up to interpretation because i'm no where near as high on any of these guys as others here....no one in this draft to me is a once in a generation.....no one in this draft to me is a perennial all-star.....i barely see any of these top guys making an all-star team because of their flaws.....beauty is in the eye of the beholder and i heard woj say that some of these top teams are seriously looking into trading down so my point stands strong.....it depends on what's on the table and who's involved in the deal

AG is not worth a top 5 pick unfortunately. If MIn and GS are looking to trade their picks It’s for an all-star like booker or someone of his caliber, not AG.

If the Suns are willing to trade Booker for a pick in this terrible draft, I would hope our dumpster front office would be on the phone beating that offer.

[Skybox]

I wouldn’t trade Booker for both top picks

[pepe1991]

I wouldn’t trade Booker for both top picks

I would not trade Booker for 4 unprotected draft picks... Guy is legit. He is also not that hard to build good team around, just find shooters who can defend and rim running protector

[Knightro]

I think it's possible the Magic could put together an attractive enough package for the No. 2 overall pick.

But it would obviously require at a bare minimum taking on the remaining 94.6M on Wiggins and it would highly depend on how motivated Golden State is to shed salary and lessen their luxury tax burden.

The Warriors are at $142,144,026 in committed salary already on just 8 players. $148,884,768 if they keep all their non-guaranteed players.

Throwing in the No. 2 pick on top of that will push them over 155M, which is deep into the tax if the cap stays exactly where it is. If it drops, the penalty will be even more severe.

Now if they're not particularly motivated to lower their tax bill, then I think the odds of a deal decrease dramatically because that would be one of the main benefits they'd get.

[NotACat]

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[tiderulz]

I think it's possible the Magic could put together an attractive enough package for the No. 2 overall pick.

But it would obviously require at a bare minimum taking on the remaining 94.6M on Wiggins and it would highly depend on how motivated Golden State is to shed salary and lessen their luxury tax burden.

The Warriors are at $142,144,026 in committed salary already on just 8 players. $148,884,768 if they keep all their non-guaranteed players.

Throwing in the No. 2 pick on top of that will push them over 155M, which is deep into the tax if the cap stays exactly where it is. If it drops, the penalty will be even more severe.

Now if they're not particularly motivated to lower their tax bill, then I think the odds of a deal decrease dramatically because that would be one of the main benefits they'd get.

sorry, i cant imagine GS trading #2 for AG + any package we could put together short of adding our next 3 first round picks to it.