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MagicFan101 · Post #1141 » by **MagicFan101** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 4:37 pm

spinedoc wrote:And before this turns into a partisan food fight, Trump just fired the inspector general of the intelligence community yesterday. A hand picked Republican hired by Trump himself. This is no liberal wall flower. The only thing he did wrong was to refer a complaint to congress which he is mandated to do by law. It was not his fault that Trump was impeached based on that evidence, but he still got fired anyway, at a time Trump should be focused on a pandemic by the way. None of this is really about partisanship, this is about loyalty. This is why populism is so dangerous, he isn't even a conservative Republican, and he surely is no Christian either. I repeat, this is not about Republicans vs Democrats, us and them has a whole different meaning here.

I’m still waiting for Republicans, Conservatives or Christians to explain to me why Trump is one of their own.

spinedoc · Post #1142 » by **spinedoc** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 4:45 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
spinedoc wrote:And before this turns into a partisan food fight, Trump just fired the inspector general of the intelligence community yesterday. A hand picked Republican hired by Trump himself. This is no liberal wall flower. The only thing he did wrong was to refer a complaint to congress which he is mandated to do by law. It was not his fault that Trump was impeached based on that evidence, but he still got fired anyway, at a time Trump should be focused on a pandemic by the way. None of this is really about partisanship, this is about loyalty. This is why populism is so dangerous, he isn't even a conservative Republican, and he surely is no Christian either. I repeat, this is not about Republicans vs Democrats, us and them has a whole different meaning here.

I’m still waiting for Republicans, Conservatives or Christians to explain to me why Trump is one of their own.

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Skybox · Post #1143 » by **Skybox** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 5:26 pm

spinedoc wrote:And before this turns into a partisan food fight, Trump just fired the inspector general of the intelligence community yesterday. A hand picked Republican hired by Trump himself. This is no liberal wall flower. The only thing he did wrong was to refer a complaint to congress which he is mandated to do by law. It was not his fault that Trump was impeached based on that evidence, but he still got fired anyway, at a time Trump should be focused on a pandemic by the way. None of this is really about partisanship, this is about loyalty. This is why populism is so dangerous, he isn't even a conservative Republican, and he surely is no Christian either. I repeat, this is not about Republicans vs Democrats, us and them has a whole different meaning here.

Exactly, I state again that I consider myself a Republican, I own guns for home defense, I own a business and invest in the stock market...but this administration is beyond embarrassing and corrupt to the point of truly dangerous to our health now. The fact that people are still flying these flags everywhere has just got to be some defiant redneck BS. This pandemic is awful and, IMO, about to get a lot worse...if nothing else, maybe just maybe his supporters will be faced with such indisputable overwhelming evidence that he's unfit for the job, that the party could get something of a reset to a more moderate realistic stance.

Basically, I find it hard to imagine that anyone flying those "No More Bulls**t" flags has ever watched a press conference. Imagine if the two parties got back to disagreeing on policy rather than this ridiculous reality TV foolishness and hatred we find ourselves with.

tiderulz · Post #1144 » by **tiderulz** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 5:52 pm

Gomagic44 wrote:Don't do pimp like that because he has a different opinion than you. He's respectful. He participates.

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is he? called me sheep for an opinion he did not agree with. i posted where i got my information from, not from where he was thinking. no response to his incorrect assumption. He participates yes, respectful no.

tiderulz · Post #1145 » by **tiderulz** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 5:55 pm

Gomagic44 wrote:We failed as a nation at responding to this. No one wanted to admit **** had hit the fan. All elected officials were reactionary and not pro active at heading this off. Buts it's the federal governments job. In the event of a national attack I don't look to Ron Desantis to protect me. I look to the President. He **** the bed. That's not a partisan thing. His response was partisan. His favoritism to governor's who licked his boots, the reporters who asked planted questions is gross. He admitted that mail in ballots would end the Republican party lol. It's just an unmitigated disaster. Now we are siphoning off medical supplies from Canada and other countries so that we can sell them to states at a profit? The **** is wrong with us? I just hope we can come out of this with some of our dignity intact. We have to have a better response to tragedy as a nation. This feels like a banana republic.

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Ill say, Dewine i think, from Ohio, jumped into the lead and listened to his health experts and made the hard calls that were unpopular, before everything blew up.

tiderulz · Post #1146 » by **tiderulz** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 5:56 pm

Gomagic44 wrote:Yeah it's a bad look. The navy captain and now this. Is he even replacing the guy or instituting another acting director. It's scary how little of our government is actually staffed these days. It leads to...this. it leads to this **** we are in. Hard to respond when your half staffed, underfunded.
spinedoc wrote:And before this turns into a partisan food fight, Trump just fired the inspector general of the intelligence community yesterday. A hand picked Republican hired by Trump himself. This is no liberal wall flower. The only thing he did wrong was to refer a complaint to congress which he is mandated to do by law. It was not his fault that Trump was impeached based on that evidence, but he still got fired anyway, at a time Trump should be focused on a pandemic by the way. None of this is really about partisanship, this is about loyalty. This is why populism is so dangerous, he isn't even a conservative Republican, and he surely is no Christian either. I repeat, this is not about Republicans vs Democrats, us and them has a whole different meaning here.

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they fire people and replace them with 20 something year olds right out of college who pledge loyalty to Trump first

tiderulz · Post #1147 » by **tiderulz** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 5:56 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
spinedoc wrote:And before this turns into a partisan food fight, Trump just fired the inspector general of the intelligence community yesterday. A hand picked Republican hired by Trump himself. This is no liberal wall flower. The only thing he did wrong was to refer a complaint to congress which he is mandated to do by law. It was not his fault that Trump was impeached based on that evidence, but he still got fired anyway, at a time Trump should be focused on a pandemic by the way. None of this is really about partisanship, this is about loyalty. This is why populism is so dangerous, he isn't even a conservative Republican, and he surely is no Christian either. I repeat, this is not about Republicans vs Democrats, us and them has a whole different meaning here.

I’m still waiting for Republicans, Conservatives or Christians to explain to me why Trump is one of their own.

remember, he wasnt, until he took control of their voting base. only then did the republican leaders endorse him (and ignore anything he had done bad)

MagicFan101 · Post #1148 » by **MagicFan101** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 6:31 pm

tiderulz wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
spinedoc wrote:And before this turns into a partisan food fight, Trump just fired the inspector general of the intelligence community yesterday. A hand picked Republican hired by Trump himself. This is no liberal wall flower. The only thing he did wrong was to refer a complaint to congress which he is mandated to do by law. It was not his fault that Trump was impeached based on that evidence, but he still got fired anyway, at a time Trump should be focused on a pandemic by the way. None of this is really about partisanship, this is about loyalty. This is why populism is so dangerous, he isn't even a conservative Republican, and he surely is no Christian either. I repeat, this is not about Republicans vs Democrats, us and them has a whole different meaning here.

I’m still waiting for Republicans, Conservatives or Christians to explain to me why Trump is one of their own.

remember, he wasnt, until he took control of their voting base. only then did the republican leaders endorse him (and ignore anything he had done bad)

Right. I have nothing personal against Republicans, Conservatives or Christians (/ the religious community). In fact, I would 100% be equally vocal against a Bernie Sanders administration ... but for different reasons.

I just don’t understand why these people embrace Trump as one of their own. How can anyone see this man as a good Christian? How can anyone see this man as a fiscally responsible conservative?

tiderulz · Post #1149 » by **tiderulz** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 7:25 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
I’m still waiting for Republicans, Conservatives or Christians to explain to me why Trump is one of their own.

remember, he wasnt, until he took control of their voting base. only then did the republican leaders endorse him (and ignore anything he had done bad)

Right. I have nothing personal against Republicans, Conservatives or Christians (/ the religious community). In fact, I would 100% be equally vocal against a Bernie Sanders administration ... but for different reasons.

I just don’t understand why these people embrace Trump as one of their own. How can anyone see this man as a good Christian? How can anyone see this man as a fiscally responsible conservative?

well, how many catholic priests were abusing kids? people will see what they want to see

Gomagic44 · Post #1150 » by **Gomagic44** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 9:20 pm

He called people sheep but I didn't think he called you a sheep.

tiderulz wrote:
Gomagic44 wrote:Don't do pimp like that because he has a different opinion than you. He's respectful. He participates.

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is he? called me sheep for an opinion he did not agree with. i posted where i got my information from, not from where he was thinking. no response to his incorrect assumption. He participates yes, respectful no.

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Gomagic44 · Post #1151 » by **Gomagic44** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 9:23 pm

He packed the courts with conservatives and loyalists. He got to be a useful idiot for Mitch and Vlad.

tiderulz wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
spinedoc wrote:And before this turns into a partisan food fight, Trump just fired the inspector general of the intelligence community yesterday. A hand picked Republican hired by Trump himself. This is no liberal wall flower. The only thing he did wrong was to refer a complaint to congress which he is mandated to do by law. It was not his fault that Trump was impeached based on that evidence, but he still got fired anyway, at a time Trump should be focused on a pandemic by the way. None of this is really about partisanship, this is about loyalty. This is why populism is so dangerous, he isn't even a conservative Republican, and he surely is no Christian either. I repeat, this is not about Republicans vs Democrats, us and them has a whole different meaning here.

I’m still waiting for Republicans, Conservatives or Christians to explain to me why Trump is one of their own.

remember, he wasnt, until he took control of their voting base. only then did the republican leaders endorse him (and ignore anything he had done bad)

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Gomagic44 · Post #1152 » by **Gomagic44** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 9:32 pm

Personally I enjoyed seeing him gut the Republican party. He's the only one I ever for. I was excited he had more to talk about than gays and abortion. Yeah, so I overlooked he was a total scumbag...but aren't most of them? Bush dodged the draft. Mitt is a vulture capitalist. Hillary started the war in Libya that made a modern slave market and was salivating over making more jihadists in Syria.

I do regret my vote but not for the reasons I placed it. He had a much bigger and nastier agenda than I saw at the time. And I still hope that he is the harbinger of the end of that party.

A lot of people voted for him in protest like me. Good news is a lot of them like me would never vote for him again. I hope!

MagicFan101 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
I’m still waiting for Republicans, Conservatives or Christians to explain to me why Trump is one of their own.

remember, he wasnt, until he took control of their voting base. only then did the republican leaders endorse him (and ignore anything he had done bad)

Right. I have nothing personal against Republicans, Conservatives or Christians (/ the religious community). In fact, I would 100% be equally vocal against a Bernie Sanders administration ... but for different reasons.

I just don’t understand why these people embrace Trump as one of their own. How can anyone see this man as a good Christian? How can anyone see this man as a fiscally responsible conservative?

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MagicFan101 · Post #1153 » by **MagicFan101** » Sat Apr 4, 2020 11:59 pm

Gomagic44 wrote:Personally I enjoyed seeing him gut the Republican party. He's the only one I ever for. I was excited he had more to talk about than gays and abortion. Yeah, so I overlooked he was a total scumbag...but aren't most of them? Bush dodged the draft. Mitt is a vulture capitalist. Hillary started the war in Libya that made a modern slave market and was salivating over making more jihadists in Syria.

I do regret my vote but not for the reasons I placed it. He had a much bigger and nastier agenda than I saw at the time. And I still hope that he is the harbinger of the end of that party.

A lot of people voted for him in protest like me. Good news is a lot of them like me would never vote for him again. I hope!
MagicFan101 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:remember, he wasnt, until he took control of their voting base. only then did the republican leaders endorse him (and ignore anything he had done bad)

Right. I have nothing personal against Republicans, Conservatives or Christians (/ the religious community). In fact, I would 100% be equally vocal against a Bernie Sanders administration ... but for different reasons.

I just don’t understand why these people embrace Trump as one of their own. How can anyone see this man as a good Christian? How can anyone see this man as a fiscally responsible conservative?

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I can’t blame anyone for disliking Hilary Clinton. There is a classic South Park episode which relates perfectly to that election.

Bernie Sanders would be a disaster so I am happy it appears I don’t have to choose between him and Trump. I don’t like Creepy Joe at all but at least he will fall asleep most of the time and seems to surround himself with solid people who will do a good job while he naps.

Gomagic44 · Post #1154 » by **Gomagic44** » Sun Apr 5, 2020 12:10 am

I'm a Bernie guy. But at least we can rally behind that lmfao. Joe will have competant people run the show at least while he makes kids feel uncomfortable.

MagicFan101 wrote:
Gomagic44 wrote:Personally I enjoyed seeing him gut the Republican party. He's the only one I ever for. I was excited he had more to talk about than gays and abortion. Yeah, so I overlooked he was a total scumbag...but aren't most of them? Bush dodged the draft. Mitt is a vulture capitalist. Hillary started the war in Libya that made a modern slave market and was salivating over making more jihadists in Syria.

I do regret my vote but not for the reasons I placed it. He had a much bigger and nastier agenda than I saw at the time. And I still hope that he is the harbinger of the end of that party.

A lot of people voted for him in protest like me. Good news is a lot of them like me would never vote for him again. I hope!
MagicFan101 wrote:
Right. I have nothing personal against Republicans, Conservatives or Christians (/ the religious community). In fact, I would 100% be equally vocal against a Bernie Sanders administration ... but for different reasons.

I just don’t understand why these people embrace Trump as one of their own. How can anyone see this man as a good Christian? How can anyone see this man as a fiscally responsible conservative?

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I can’t blame anyone for disliking Hilary Clinton. There is a classic South Park episode which relates perfectly to that election.

Bernie Sanders would be a disaster so I am happy it appears I don’t have to choose between him and Trump. I don’t like Creepy Joe at all but at least he will fall asleep most of the time and seems to surround himself with solid people who will do a good job while he naps.

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nymets1 · Post #1155 » by **nymets1** » Sun Apr 5, 2020 12:59 am

Last night's numbers as of 9pm from bing.com/covid

USA- 277,355 confirmed cases(+31,221 increase), 12,283 recoveries(+1880 increase), deaths- 7128(+1074 increase)
Florida- 10,268 confirmed cases(+1260 increase), 0 Recoveries
California- 10,701 confirmed cases( +764 increase), (Keep an eye on California)
Georgia- 5967 confirmed cases( +619 increase) (Keep an eye on Georgia)
Illinois- 8904 confirmed cases( +1209 increase)
Lousiana- 10,297 confirmed cases( +1147 increase)
Massachussets- 10,402 confirmed cases( +1436 increase)
Michigan- 12,744 confirmed cases( +1953 increase)
New Jersey- 29,895 confirmed cases( +4261 increase)
New York- 102,863 confirmed cases( +1864 increase), 8886 recoveries
Pennsylvania- 8420 confirmed cases(+1404 increase)
Texas- 5330 confirmed cases( +661 increase), (Keep an eye on Texas)
Washington- 7400 confirmed cases( +911 increase), (Keep an eye on Washington)

South Korea- 10,062 confirmed cases, 6021 recovered and 3867 active cases
Italy-119,827 confirmed cases( +3105 increase), Recoveries- 19758(+1480 increase)
Spain-119,119 confirmed cases( +3364 increase), Recoveries- 30,513(+3770 increase)

Illinois had a increase of 715 confirmed cases yesterday but increased by 1209 today so I took Illinois off the list. Georgia, Texas and Washington now have 2 consecutive days of low confirmed cases. Now I'm really following California which only had a increase of 764 confirmed cases today. Lets see on Saturday if Georgia, Texas and Washington can make 3 straight days of low confirmed cases and if California can make 2 straight day's of low confirmed cases and if maybe one of the top states can emerge. For now, Florida, Louisana, Mass, Michigan, New Jersey, New York and Penn are still doing bad. Spain has now 2 straight days of around 4000 recoveries each day.

Today's numbers as of 9pm from bing.com/covid

USA-310,016 confirmed cases( +31,169 increase), Recoveries-14,607(+2339), Deaths- 8438(+1057 increase)
Florida- 11,545 confirmed cases( +1277 increase)
California- 12,838 confirmed cases(+2137 increase)
Georgia- 6383 confirmed cases( +416 increase), (Keep an eye on Georgia)
Illinois- 10,357 confirmed cases(+1453 increase)
Louisana- 12,496 confirmed cases(+2199 increase)
Massachussets- 11,736 confirmed cases( +1334 increase)
Michigan- 14, 225 confirmed cases( +1481 increase)
New Jersey- 34,124 confirmed cases(+4185 increase)
New York- 113,704 confirmed cases(+9249 increase) , Recoveries, 10,478(+1592 increase)
Pennsylvania-10,017 confirmed cases(+1597 increase)
Texas-6110 confirmed cases( +780 increase), (Keep an eye on Texas)
Washington- 7784 confirmed cases( +417 increase), (Keep an eye on Washington)

South Korea- 3654 active cases
Italy-124,632 confirmed cases( +3567 increase), Recoveries- 20,996(+1238 increase)
Spain- 126,168 confirmed cases( +3263 increase), Recoveries- 34,219(+3706)

1. Georgia, Texas and Washington now have 3 consecutive days(Thursday, Friday,Saturday) of low confirmed cases each day.
2. Unfortunately the other top 9 are still doing bad(Florida,California, Illinois, Louisana, Mass, Michigan,New Jersey,New York and Penn).
3. New York has almost all the recoveries in the USA with 10,478 out of 14,607.
4. Now following Connecticut as of right now- 5276 confirmed cases. It's a small state and I heard their peak is a month away.

Ducklett · Post #1156 » by **Ducklett** » Sun Apr 5, 2020 2:42 am

spinedoc wrote:
basketballRob wrote:It also took NY a month to get a reliable sample so they could make a test. That was on the CDC.

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This is the key, testing. Without it, we are going 90mph down a dark road with no headlights, careening from guard rail to guard rail. Its like arguing about how good a shooter is without ever looking at their FG%. This and the lack of a federal distribution of equipment, are the two biggest factors lacking at the moment. The states are having to barter on their own, both in competition with another and also coordination. The argument for a lack of centralized federal government is on display, how y'all like it?

The CDC couldn't get tests out to people, but they could sure tell you if farmers' markets have impact on obesity...

Gomagic44 · Post #1157 » by **Gomagic44** » Sun Apr 5, 2020 2:49 am

Because they were gutted of funding and made such a low priority they weren't ready for this.

Ducklett wrote:
spinedoc wrote:
basketballRob wrote:It also took NY a month to get a reliable sample so they could make a test. That was on the CDC.

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This is the key, testing. Without it, we are going 90mph down a dark road with no headlights, careening from guard rail to guard rail. Its like arguing about how good a shooter is without ever looking at their FG%. This and the lack of a federal distribution of equipment, are the two biggest factors lacking at the moment. The states are having to barter on their own, both in competition with another and also coordination. The argument for a lack of centralized federal government is on display, how y'all like it?

The CDC couldn't get tests out to people, but they could sure tell you if farmers' markets have impact on obesity...

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Ducklett · Post #1158 » by **Ducklett** » Sun Apr 5, 2020 4:17 am

Gomagic44 wrote:Because they were gutted of funding and made such a low priority they weren't ready for this.
Ducklett wrote:
spinedoc wrote:
This is the key, testing. Without it, we are going 90mph down a dark road with no headlights, careening from guard rail to guard rail. Its like arguing about how good a shooter is without ever looking at their FG%. This and the lack of a federal distribution of equipment, are the two biggest factors lacking at the moment. The states are having to barter on their own, both in competition with another and also coordination. The argument for a lack of centralized federal government is on display, how y'all like it?

The CDC couldn't get tests out to people, but they could sure tell you if farmers' markets have impact on obesity...

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They haven't had a funding cut in ~6 years (since Obama). Every funding cut was only proposed and the cuts proposed for 2021 only were to things like obesity and chronic illness... Snopes has a whole fact check on this.

rcklsscognition · Post #1159 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sun Apr 5, 2020 4:59 am

Shout-out to the 5 folks in Seminole county who were out and about running errands while on home quarantine after testing positive. They wouldn't tell the health department where they'd been.

spinedoc · Post #1160 » by **spinedoc** » Sun Apr 5, 2020 11:57 am

Ducklett wrote:
Gomagic44 wrote:Because they were gutted of funding and made such a low priority they weren't ready for this.
Ducklett wrote:
The CDC couldn't get tests out to people, but they could sure tell you if farmers' markets have impact on obesity...

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They haven't had a funding cut in ~6 years (since Obama). Every funding cut was only proposed and the cuts proposed for 2021 only were to things like obesity and chronic illness... Snopes has a whole fact check on this.

Yep, just read it. The previous funding was allowed to dry up, so technically no direct cuts in the budget, but less money none the less. There were direct cuts in personnel though, both the pandemic team in the National Security Council and key posts in the CDC. Tom Bossert, homeland security director, was also fired. He was "calling for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks", and was fired one month prior to the pandemic team at the NSC was disbanded. Or, don't you count personnel in the budget? Here is your own source, you can read it for yourself.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/