The Anthony Black Thread

Post #1141 » by **eyriq** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 3:57 pm

basketballRob wrote:
eyriq wrote:How likely is it that with Fultz and Harris healthy again Black goes back to the deep bench?
I think he stays in the rotation. He can handle the ball and defend guards, and we need help in both of those areas. Suggs has to have a ball handling guard next to him.

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I hope so, and think so, but if he loses a spot it'll be tragic

pinoynurse · Post #1142 » by **pinoynurse** » Mon Nov 6, 2023 6:28 pm

sadly, im pretty sure AB will go back to the bench once fultz returns

if that happens, ill be pretty disappointed in mosely. Dont preach "minutes have to be earned" and "you wont play if you dont defend" all season and then just hand over the keys to fultz based on what he's done the season before.

The-Stallion70 · Post #1143 » by **The-Stallion70** » Tue Nov 7, 2023 1:44 am

Got news for y'all, Black is looking like exactly what we needed.

This kid is tough as hell and loves physicality. As a lead guard he is steady and a good decision maker which is allowing Suggs to pick his spots more and come into his own as a 2 guard.

I don't give a fck who plays just as long as the teams WINS!

The-Stallion70 · Post #1144 » by **The-Stallion70** » Tue Nov 7, 2023 4:08 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:Got news for y'all, Black is looking like exactly what we needed.

This kid is tough as hell and loves physicality. As a lead guard he is steady and a good decision maker which is allowing Suggs to pick his spots more and come into his own as a 2 guard.

I don't give a fck who plays just as long as the teams WINS!

And as soon as I say this the kid goes and posts 8 points and 2 assists in 33 minutes. Doesn't appear that the kid is ready yet.

Suggs is now shooting 36% on the year.

basketballRob · Post #1145 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Nov 7, 2023 4:51 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:Got news for y'all, Black is looking like exactly what we needed.

This kid is tough as hell and loves physicality. As a lead guard he is steady and a good decision maker which is allowing Suggs to pick his spots more and come into his own as a 2 guard.

I don't give a fck who plays just as long as the teams WINS!

And as soon as I say this the kid goes and posts 8 points and 2 assists in 33 minutes. Doesn't appear that the kid is ready yet.

Suggs is now shooting 36% on the year.

He barely got usage last night. The truth is our main guys like Franz sucked and we didn't have any depth.

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Post #1146 » by **eyriq** » Tue Nov 7, 2023 5:01 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:Got news for y'all, Black is looking like exactly what we needed.

This kid is tough as hell and loves physicality. As a lead guard he is steady and a good decision maker which is allowing Suggs to pick his spots more and come into his own as a 2 guard.

I don't give a fck who plays just as long as the teams WINS!

And as soon as I say this the kid goes and posts 8 points and 2 assists in 33 minutes. Doesn't appear that the kid is ready yet.

Suggs is now shooting 36% on the year.

I don't get the criticism of his per minute output. He's not a high usage guy. He's a glue guy. He's a fifth option. He gives us more production than Gary Harris did last season, and much better defense and intangibles. His offensive rating last game was 113. That's an efficient night.

The-Stallion70 · Post #1147 » by **The-Stallion70** » Tue Nov 7, 2023 5:18 pm

eyriq wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:Got news for y'all, Black is looking like exactly what we needed.

This kid is tough as hell and loves physicality. As a lead guard he is steady and a good decision maker which is allowing Suggs to pick his spots more and come into his own as a 2 guard.

I don't give a fck who plays just as long as the teams WINS!

And as soon as I say this the kid goes and posts 8 points and 2 assists in 33 minutes. Doesn't appear that the kid is ready yet.

Suggs is now shooting 36% on the year.
I don't get the criticism of his per minute output. He's not a high usage guy. He's a glue guy. He's a fifth option. He gives us more production than Gary Harris did last season, and much better defense and intangibles. His offensive rating last game was 113. That's an efficient night.

Can we try to look at this objectively and not just defend our boy Suggs?

Post #1148 » by **eyriq** » Tue Nov 7, 2023 5:21 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:
eyriq wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:And as soon as I say this the kid goes and posts 8 points and 2 assists in 33 minutes. Doesn't appear that the kid is ready yet.

Suggs is now shooting 36% on the year.
I don't get the criticism of his per minute output. He's not a high usage guy. He's a glue guy. He's a fifth option. He gives us more production than Gary Harris did last season, and much better defense and intangibles. His offensive rating last game was 113. That's an efficient night.

Can we try to look at this objectively and not just defend our boy Suggs?

Sorry, I was commenting on Black, not Suggs

VFX · Post #1149 » by **VFX** » Tue Nov 7, 2023 5:56 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:
eyriq wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:And as soon as I say this the kid goes and posts 8 points and 2 assists in 33 minutes. Doesn't appear that the kid is ready yet.

Suggs is now shooting 36% on the year.
I don't get the criticism of his per minute output. He's not a high usage guy. He's a glue guy. He's a fifth option. He gives us more production than Gary Harris did last season, and much better defense and intangibles. His offensive rating last game was 113. That's an efficient night.

Can we try to look at this objectively and not just defend our boy Suggs?

You should use your own suggestion when discussing Fultz.

Post #1150 » by **Knightro** » Tue Nov 7, 2023 6:21 pm

There are a ton of things Black does that are good and impactful towards winning. He's a high IQ, high floor player.

But he's not going to become a high end starting guard in the NBA until one of two things happens...

1. He develops into a high volume, high accuracy catch and shoot player from 3PT (which would allow him to play SG and act as a secondary facilitator)

or

2. He figures out how to actually do something offensively with the ball in his hands off the dribble (which would allow him to play PG)

I know he's made a few threes early on and that's a whole lot better than missing them or not taking them, but I don't anticipate that continuing at a high percentage or at high volume based on a variety of factors.

And you can't really get away with just being a vulture type offensive player as a guard in the current NBA who scores on cuts and in transition and on putbacks. It's just not possible to maintain that.

Obviously he's still a teenager right now, so this isn't any sort of referendum on anything. Just what he needs to work on.

Post #1151 » by **eyriq** » Tue Nov 7, 2023 6:25 pm

Knightro wrote:There are a ton of things Black does that are good and impactful towards winning. He's a high IQ, high floor player.

But he's not going to become a high end starting guard in the NBA until one of two things happens...

1. He develops into a high volume, high accuracy catch and shoot player from 3PT (which would allow him to play SG and act as a secondary facilitator)

or

2. He figures out how to actually do something offensively with the ball in his hands off the dribble (which would allow him to play PG)

I know he's made a few threes early on and that's a whole lot better than missing them or not taking them, but I don't anticipate that continuing at a high percentage or at high volume based on a variety of factors.

And you can't really get away with just being a vulture type offensive player as a guard in the current NBA who scores on cuts and in transition and on putbacks. It's just not possible to maintain that.

Obviously he's still a teenager right now, so this isn't any sort of referendum on anything. Just what he needs to work on.

He looks like a better version of his college profile.

KillMonger · Post #1152 » by **KillMonger** » Thu Nov 9, 2023 10:13 am

one thing that can't happen now is him not playing since fultz will be back.....you can't say that you're not gifting rookies minutes anymore they have to earn it.....gets thrown into the fire due to injuries.....plays well enough to earn some minutes but then you send him back to DNP's? can't happen.....sends the wrong message

drsd · Post #1153 » by **drsd** » Thu Nov 9, 2023 12:16 pm

KillMonger wrote:one thing that can't happen now is him not playing since fultz will be back.....you can't say that you're not gifting rookies minutes anymore they have to earn it.....gets thrown into the fire due to injuries.....plays well enough to earn some minutes but then you send him back to DNP's? can't happen.....sends the wrong message

Whereas I agree with the tone of your message, Orlando is not benching Fultz or Anthony. Thus, there is no playing time for Black until there is i) another PG injury or ii) a PG trade.

KillMonger · Post #1154 » by **KillMonger** » Thu Nov 9, 2023 3:03 pm

drsd wrote:
KillMonger wrote:one thing that can't happen now is him not playing since fultz will be back.....you can't say that you're not gifting rookies minutes anymore they have to earn it.....gets thrown into the fire due to injuries.....plays well enough to earn some minutes but then you send him back to DNP's? can't happen.....sends the wrong message

Whereas I agree with the tone of your message, Orlando is not benching Fultz or Anthony. Thus, there is no playing time for Black until there is i) another PG injury or ii) a PG trade.

just dail back some of ingles minutes....problem solved, it's not like he's moving the needle one way or another that much....at this point he's only really getting minutes based off of being a vet and a personal friend of mosely....but dude is struggling out there defensively, they were hunting him in the dallas game....him trying to stay in front of kyrie was kind of hilarious

KillMonger · Post #1155 » by **KillMonger** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:23 pm

Read on Twitter

Post #1156 » by **eyriq** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:29 pm

KillMonger wrote:

Read on Twitter

I don't know how valid a view it is but I think Black is better than Fultz already, and the best fit at PG.

basketballRob · Post #1157 » by **basketballRob** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:32 pm

Trae trying to get around Black was funny

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Skybox · Post #1158 » by **Skybox** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:52 pm

eyriq wrote:
KillMonger wrote:

Read on Twitter
I don't know how valid a view it is but I think Black is better than Fultz already, and the best fit at PG.

I don't think those shooting numbers are near sustainable but he's certainly shown enough to warrant a lot more of the mins. and, ultimately, take the job as expected when they drafted him so high. Maybe that's ahead of ORL's patient timeline, but he's showing enough, IMO, to celebrate it.

Now find minutes for the likely best shooter on the roster who was drafted right behind him and maybe we'll see the same accelerated timeline from him.

Post #1159 » by **eyriq** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:58 pm

Skybox wrote:
eyriq wrote:
KillMonger wrote:

Read on Twitter
I don't know how valid a view it is but I think Black is better than Fultz already, and the best fit at PG.

I don't think those shooting numbers are near sustainable but he's certainly shown enough to warrant a lot more of the mins. and, ultimately, take the job as expected when they drafted him so high. Maybe that's ahead of ORL's patient timeline, but he's showing enough, IMO, to celebrate it.

Now find minutes for the likely best shooter on the roster who was drafted right behind him and maybe we'll see the same accelerated timeline from him.

I think Ingles is the blocker. I don't hate that he's a blocker, but I think it's an experiment that if it doesn't pan out, we'll see them pull the plug and insert Jett. I just don't get why Houstan is ahead of Jett.

zaymon · Post #1160 » by **zaymon** » Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:12 am

eyriq wrote:
Skybox wrote:
eyriq wrote:I don't know how valid a view it is but I think Black is better than Fultz already, and the best fit at PG.

I don't think those shooting numbers are near sustainable but he's certainly shown enough to warrant a lot more of the mins. and, ultimately, take the job as expected when they drafted him so high. Maybe that's ahead of ORL's patient timeline, but he's showing enough, IMO, to celebrate it.

Now find minutes for the likely best shooter on the roster who was drafted right behind him and maybe we'll see the same accelerated timeline from him.
I think Ingles is the blocker. I don't hate that he's a blocker, but I think it's an experiment that if it doesn't pan out, we'll see them pull the plug and insert Jett. I just don't get why Houstan is ahead of Jett.

Ingles is not a blocker for Black, in fact he is an enabler. Ingles/Black 2man lineup almost +50 netrating in 28 minutes. When you think about it Black has what Ingles doesnt- athletecism, great defense, while Ingles vice versa- experience, shooting. Black defends guards/wing while Ingles wings/forwards. I dont see how one blocks the other especially that they are both among our 10 best players. I can argue Black could block Fultz, Anthony, Suggs, Howard but definetly not Ingles.