Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LII "Lottery/Draft" Edition)

InFlames · Post #1161 » by **InFlames** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:23 pm

backasswards wrote:Is Vuc playing tonight?

Don't think so.

BadMofoPimp · Post #1162 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:25 pm

Bobby Ray wrote:So it's not Noel's first injury?

On the same Knee and area.

Noonskadoodle · Post #1163 » by **Noonskadoodle** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:26 pm

Bobby Ray wrote:So it's not Noel's first injury?

Nope.

Noel fractured the growth plate in his left knee and was forced to sit out the entire season. (Sophomore Year in HS)

Post #1164 » by **Def Swami** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:30 pm

Cigamodnalro wrote:
trebone wrote:Noel is closer in size to Shaun Livingston than he is to Bynum, I am not worried about his knee injury as much, he will fit flawlessly next to Vucci and he has more than enough time to rehab and work on other parts of his game.

You say that our potential future PF is "closer in size to Shaun Livingston than he is to Bynum" like it is a good thing

Even if his damaged knees don't have to bear the brunt of 300 lbs of bulk and muscle, he is still a big...with...Livingston...legs.

That's the red flag with Noel for me. He'll more than likely recover fine. But, his legs are so thin to begin with. They look so fragile.

BadMofoPimp · Post #1165 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:41 pm

Twice Noel will miss an entire year within 4 years. That means he has played basketball for about 2 years in the last 4 years. Dude is done. I doubt he comes back the same player and if he does, it won't last long. Run really fast unless he slide now past 10th pick in draft.

woosah · Post #1166 » by **woosah** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:52 pm

I guess Vucci is a game time decision, but he sat out shoot around today so unlikely he plays tonight. I just hope it's a competitive game tonight.

Post #1167 » by **Bensational** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:08 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Twice Noel will miss an entire year within 4 years. That means he has played basketball for about 2 years in the last 4 years. Dude is done. I doubt he comes back the same player and if he does, it won't last long. Run really fast unless he slide now past 10th pick in draft.

Noel's injury has always been a concern for me, and i'm surprised how many people are quite blase about it. i won't deny his talent on the defensive end, and if he can develop into the defense only version of Garnett, then he'll be a great player.

but 2 injuries to a knee in 4 years, so early into his career? that's a big red flag. having suffered through Grant Hill, and being at the bottom of the heap, the Magic can't afford to screw up a top 5 pick so early into a rebuild. i'm gonna say that the Magic won't draft Noel.

BadMofoPimp · Post #1168 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:10 pm

Bensational wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Twice Noel will miss an entire year within 4 years. That means he has played basketball for about 2 years in the last 4 years. Dude is done. I doubt he comes back the same player and if he does, it won't last long. Run really fast unless he slide now past 10th pick in draft.

Noel's injury has always been a concern for me, and i'm surprised how many people are quite blase about it. i won't deny his talent on the defensive end, and if he can develop into the defense only version of Garnett, then he'll be a great player.

but 2 injuries to a knee in 4 years, so early into his career? that's a big red flag. having suffered through Grant Hill, and being at the bottom of the heap, the Magic can't afford to screw up a top 5 pick so early into a rebuild. i'm gonna say that the Magic won't draft Noel.

Noel was smart to get that $10 Million dollar insurance policy that kicks in if he has a career ending injury.

OrlChamps2030 · Post #1169 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:11 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:Twice Noel will miss an entire year within 4 years. That means he has played basketball for about 2 years in the last 4 years. Dude is done. I doubt he comes back the same player and if he does, it won't last long. Run really fast unless he slide now past 10th pick in draft.

You need to start worrying about your own knees man. Don't want you to tear something from all that knee-jerking you're doing :lol:

Post #1170 » by **Def Swami** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:37 pm

FWIW, Wade is sitting tonight.

londoncollin · Post #1171 » by **londoncollin** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:41 pm

Noonskadoodle wrote:
londoncollin wrote:I remember when Noel went down there was talk about him having knee issues in the past. Was that ever substantiated or was it just like he was icing his knees after practice once.

Noel's torn ACL might have been linked to an injury he suffered during his sophomore year in high school. According to this report from The Courier-Journal, Noel fractured the growth plate in his left knee and was forced to sit out the entire season.

Instead of waiting for the knee to fully recover, the lanky forward rushed back to the court to play AAU ball during the summer. It's not a sure thing that the high school injury is the reason for the torn ACL, but complications can arise if the knee does not fully heal.

"If the leg healed awkwardly and (Noel) had a malalignment in that knee, that could predispose him to future injuries in that leg," Dr. Robin West told the Courier-Journal.

This could be major.

KillMonger · Post #1172 » by **KillMonger** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:08 pm

Having concern about an injury is legit at this point, I mean you're talking about a possible number 1 pick. There is quite a bit riding on it. I'm hoping that teams might want to play ball and move up so we can make a deal to move down.

I'm hoping that we can somehow snag McCollum or Burke

Post #1173 » by **Bensational** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:16 pm

Zmill wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:Twice Noel will miss an entire year within 4 years. That means he has played basketball for about 2 years in the last 4 years. Dude is done. I doubt he comes back the same player and if he does, it won't last long. Run really fast unless he slide now past 10th pick in draft.

You need to start worrying about your own knees man. Don't want you to tear something from all that knee-jerking you're doing

lol. well played.

i don't think Noel is "done", but i definitely think this makes the injury something that Hennigan will scout the ish out of. and i think the more you look into something like that, the more reasons you find not to take him.

glennathan · Post #1174 » by **glennathan** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:08 am

ESPN NBA - Wizards G John Wall had career-high 47 points, 7 rebounds, 8 assists in win vs. Grizzlies

I would be ok with Hennigan going after him

KillMonger · Post #1175 » by **KillMonger** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:39 am

glennathan wrote:ESPN NBA - Wizards G John Wall had career-high 47 points, 7 rebounds, 8 assists in win vs. Grizzlies

I would be ok with Hennigan going after him

Understatement

OrlandO · Post #1176 » by **OrlandO** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:57 am

Wall attempted 24 free throws. He knew exactly what to do with no Gasol to guard the paint.

RookieStar · Post #1177 » by **RookieStar** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:36 am

glennathan wrote:ESPN NBA - Wizards G John Wall had career-high 47 points, 7 rebounds, 8 assists in win vs. Grizzlies

I would be ok with Hennigan going after him

Wow!! Lately Wall has been going ham l

fendilim · Post #1178 » by **fendilim** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:11 am

londoncollin wrote:
Noonskadoodle wrote:
londoncollin wrote:I remember when Noel went down there was talk about him having knee issues in the past. Was that ever substantiated or was it just like he was icing his knees after practice once.

Noel's torn ACL might have been linked to an injury he suffered during his sophomore year in high school. According to this report from The Courier-Journal, Noel fractured the growth plate in his left knee and was forced to sit out the entire season.

Instead of waiting for the knee to fully recover, the lanky forward rushed back to the court to play AAU ball during the summer. It's not a sure thing that the high school injury is the reason for the torn ACL, but complications can arise if the knee does not fully heal.

"If the leg healed awkwardly and (Noel) had a malalignment in that knee, that could predispose him to future injuries in that leg," Dr. Robin West told the Courier-Journal.

This could be major.

If he is miedically cleared by NBA doctors, much less our own team doctor, I'd pick him with the 1st pick. But if there is a red flag on it, then its time to look the other direction.

MoMM · Post #1179 » by **MoMM** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:10 am

RookieStar wrote:
glennathan wrote:ESPN NBA - Wizards G John Wall had career-high 47 points, 7 rebounds, 8 assists in win vs. Grizzlies

I would be ok with Hennigan going after him

Wow!! Lately Wall has been going ham l

He wants to get paid...

MoMM · Post #1180 » by **MoMM** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:13 am

On September 14, 2007, Oden had microfracture surgery on his ailing right knee. He missed the entire season.[8] Oden's progress was recorded on the Trail Blazers' website and his blog.

Although drafted in 2007, Oden was classified as a rookie for the 2008–09 season because of the knee injury.[9] Entering the 2008–09 season, he was listed at 250 lb (110 kg), but according to Blazers' trainer Jay Jensen he weighed about 290 lb (130 kg) in July. Oden left his NBA debut with a foot injury after playing thirteen scoreless minutes against the Los Angeles Lakers.

On December 5, 2009, Oden injured his left knee in the first quarter of a game. He was taken off the court on a stretcher. Later, he underwent surgery for a fractured left patella and missed the rest of the season. That injury marked the second time Oden had missed major playing time due to injury.

On November 17, 2010, the team announced that Oden would have microfracture surgery on his left knee, ending his 2010–2011 season.

On February 3, 2012, Oden underwent arthroscopic surgery on his right knee. On February 20, 2012, Oden was scheduled for a procedure on his left knee similar to the procedure he underwent 17 days earlier. However, during the operation, further damage to the articular cartilage was discovered, and Oden underwent his third micro-fracture surgery.

By playing 82 games in his entire career so far, he has effectively played one full NBA season over the span of five seasons from 2007 to 2012.