Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory

[OrlMagic05]

Well i guess it's up to interpretation because i'm no where near as high on any of these guys as others here....no one in this draft to me is a once in a generation.....no one in this draft to me is a perennial all-star.....i barely see any of these top guys making an all-star team because of their flaws.....beauty is in the eye of the beholder and i heard woj say that some of these top teams are seriously looking into trading down so my point stands strong.....it depends on what's on the table and who's involved in the deal

AG is not worth a top 5 pick unfortunately. If MIn and GS are looking to trade their picks It’s for an all-star like booker or someone of his caliber, not AG.

sure not AG by himself...it depends on the deal and the dance partners....none of the top guys are worth booker....not even close...not in this draft....maybe cade in next years is worth d books

The problem is we don’t have anything with the exception of Isaac, who’s value is probably at an all time low, that would come remotely close to a top 3 pick. AG and any combination of our players won’t do it. Also, I wouldn’t trade boomer for a top pick either, but was just using him as an example. You’re not going to get a top three pick without trading an all-star or a boarder line all star, so the idea of the magic landing a top 3 pick in a trade is unrealistic. Now getting someone like culver from Min is possible.

[OrlMagic05]

Well i guess it's up to interpretation because i'm no where near as high on any of these guys as others here....no one in this draft to me is a once in a generation.....no one in this draft to me is a perennial all-star.....i barely see any of these top guys making an all-star team because of their flaws.....beauty is in the eye of the beholder and i heard woj say that some of these top teams are seriously looking into trading down so my point stands strong.....it depends on what's on the table and who's involved in the deal

AG is not worth a top 5 pick unfortunately. If MIn and GS are looking to trade their picks It’s for an all-star like booker or someone of his caliber, not AG.

If the Suns are willing to trade Booker for a pick in this terrible draft, I would hope our dumpster front office would be on the phone beating that offer.

I doubt they would. Just using him as an example of possibly the next player wanting out of his current situation, but maybe not so much after their perfect bubble.

[fendilim]

We got offered Kelly Oubre for AG last deadline. That’s how low he is perceived.

[bigdogdylan5]

I really wonder if now is the time to cash in on Vuc. He is about to be 30 on what I think is a reasonable affordable contract. If he comes out of this series averaging 30 PPG and with the Wiz refusing to entertain Beal offers and after how good Phx looked I don’t believe they will entertain trading Booker. Vuc could be perceived as a difference maker. On the ESPN broadcast they said it best, he is the perfect 5 for this league and would be great as a 2nd-3rd option.

Edit:
With Issac out next year and probably getting the barn doors blown off us as the 8th seed two years in a row. It might be wise to retool. AG I would consider keeping if we can’t get a good deal because I still think he has another leap in him (maybe not a big one but with contract decreasing I think he hasn’t hit peak value)

[The Effect]

I really wonder if now is the time to cash in on Vuc. He is about to be 30 on what I think is a reasonable affordable contract. If he comes out of this series averaging 30 PPG and with the Wiz refusing to entertain Beal offers and after how good Phx looked I don’t believe they will entertain trading Booker. Vuc could be perceived as a difference maker. On the ESPN broadcast they said it best, he is the perfect 5 for this league and would be great as a 2nd-3rd option.

Edit:
With Issac out next year and probably getting the barn doors blown off us as the 8th seed two years in a row. It might be wise to retool. AG I would consider keeping if we can’t get a good deal because I still think he has another leap in him (maybe not a big one but with contract decreasing I think he hasn’t hit peak value)

If we were gonna part with Vuc, we should of done it last deadline

He was making 15m, was an expiring and was still in his mid 20s

Hes now about to be 30, making 25m and is under contract for 3 more years. Highly doubt anyone is touching him in a trade with how low centers are valued these days.

The ONLY trade i can think of, and personally dont see it helping us unless our plan is to tank, is if the warriors decide to take anthony edwards\ball over wiseman and offer Wiggins for vuc to give them a legit 1-5

Besides that, im having trouble finding a team with assets and is a legit C away from competing for a ring

Boston? he'd look great next to kemba, brown and tatum, but unless you want to build around Hayward, i dont see that deal getting made, cause event hen we would have to include another player to make the $ work (although if we could include aminu in the league, im in!)

Id say Nets since durant clearly loves Vuc game, but they already have league min jarrett allen. so unless they are willing to trade Lavert+allen (doubt they would make that deal, but would love it if they did), i dont see them making the deal

[jonbob17]

I really wonder if now is the time to cash in on Vuc. He is about to be 30 on what I think is a reasonable affordable contract. If he comes out of this series averaging 30 PPG and with the Wiz refusing to entertain Beal offers and after how good Phx looked I don’t believe they will entertain trading Booker. Vuc could be perceived as a difference maker. On the ESPN broadcast they said it best, he is the perfect 5 for this league and would be great as a 2nd-3rd option.

Edit:
With Issac out next year and probably getting the barn doors blown off us as the 8th seed two years in a row. It might be wise to retool. AG I would consider keeping if we can’t get a good deal because I still think he has another leap in him (maybe not a big one but with contract decreasing I think he hasn’t hit peak value)

I guess It just depends on what is a reasonable value. What about Vucevic to Boston, Hayward to a third team, and picks to Orlando, maybe two of bostons firsts and something going back to Boston for Hayward, with 3rd team salary/player going to the Magic.

He is on a fair contract, but there are probably not a lot of teams willing to use $26M of space for a Center.

These last two games, are a good reminder of how skilled he is. He is one of the top centers in the game.

[The Effect]

We got offered Kelly Oubre for AG last deadline. That’s how low he is perceived.

It kinda weird how much this board undervalues Oubre and overvalues AG

Oubre has improved his scoring every year hes been in the league, is a good shooter, a good rebounder for a guard and plays good defense (averaged 1.3spg and almost 1bpg), oh has the most important thing according to weham (and some on this board, a 7'3 wingspan)

I mean last year, he averaged 19ppg, 6.5rpg, 1.5a, 1.3spg, 0.8spg and had the same PER as AG.

Is he perfect, no of course not, but hes far better than people on this board want to believe

Id rather have AG as hes my favorite player, but if thats the trade they make, i wouldnt be mad

[The Effect]

I really wonder if now is the time to cash in on Vuc. He is about to be 30 on what I think is a reasonable affordable contract. If he comes out of this series averaging 30 PPG and with the Wiz refusing to entertain Beal offers and after how good Phx looked I don’t believe they will entertain trading Booker. Vuc could be perceived as a difference maker. On the ESPN broadcast they said it best, he is the perfect 5 for this league and would be great as a 2nd-3rd option.

Edit:
With Issac out next year and probably getting the barn doors blown off us as the 8th seed two years in a row. It might be wise to retool. AG I would consider keeping if we can’t get a good deal because I still think he has another leap in him (maybe not a big one but with contract decreasing I think he hasn’t hit peak value)

I guess It just depends on what is a reasonable value. What about Vucevic to Boston, Hayward to a third team, and picks to Orlando, maybe two of bostons firsts and something going back to Boston for Hayward.

He is on a fair contract, but there are probably not a lot of teams willing to use $26M of space for a Center.

These last two games, are a good reminder of how skilled he is. He is one of the top centers in the game.

What team would give up picks to take on haywards contract? I think boston will have to include 1sts to unload him, especially with him having another injury last week. Sure its not a crazy one, but it is another injury to a guy who spent the past 2 years basically on the injured list

So to me the question would become, would you take this deal if offered

Vuc+aminu for Hayward+26+30?

[jonbob17]

I really wonder if now is the time to cash in on Vuc. He is about to be 30 on what I think is a reasonable affordable contract. If he comes out of this series averaging 30 PPG and with the Wiz refusing to entertain Beal offers and after how good Phx looked I don’t believe they will entertain trading Booker. Vuc could be perceived as a difference maker. On the ESPN broadcast they said it best, he is the perfect 5 for this league and would be great as a 2nd-3rd option.

Edit:
With Issac out next year and probably getting the barn doors blown off us as the 8th seed two years in a row. It might be wise to retool. AG I would consider keeping if we can’t get a good deal because I still think he has another leap in him (maybe not a big one but with contract decreasing I think he hasn’t hit peak value)

I guess It just depends on what is a reasonable value. What about Vucevic to Boston, Hayward to a third team, and picks to Orlando, maybe two of bostons firsts and something going back to Boston for Hayward.

He is on a fair contract, but there are probably not a lot of teams willing to use $26M of space for a Center.

These last two games, are a good reminder of how skilled he is. He is one of the top centers in the game.

What team would give up picks to take on haywards contract? I think boston will have to include 1sts to unload him, especially with him having another injury last week. Sure its not a crazy one, but it is another injury to a guy who spent the past 2 years basically on the injured list

So to me the question would become, would you take this deal if offered

Vuc+aminu for Hayward+26+30?

I think Hayward would net a decent positive by himself. First he is still pretty good, and plenty serviceable even on defense. Plus it is a big expiring that has a lot of value. I think i have heard some Magic fans suggest AG for Hayward straight up, which doesnt make much sense to me, Fournier would also have to opt out and it would just be a year, but the Magic would be better next year.

I would do that deal you suggest in a second, because I think you could deal Hayward at the break for a big return, if teams try to clear space for next offseason. It would be like getting 2 firsts plus whatever Hayward gets you, and get rid of Aminu for Vucevic.

All this assumes the Magic are moving in a new direction to try gain more talent.

[The Effect]

I guess It just depends on what is a reasonable value. What about Vucevic to Boston, Hayward to a third team, and picks to Orlando, maybe two of bostons firsts and something going back to Boston for Hayward.

He is on a fair contract, but there are probably not a lot of teams willing to use $26M of space for a Center.

These last two games, are a good reminder of how skilled he is. He is one of the top centers in the game.

What team would give up picks to take on haywards contract? I think boston will have to include 1sts to unload him, especially with him having another injury last week. Sure its not a crazy one, but it is another injury to a guy who spent the past 2 years basically on the injured list

So to me the question would become, would you take this deal if offered

Vuc+aminu for Hayward+26+30?

I think Hayward would net a decent positive by himself. First he is still pretty good, and plenty serviceable even on defense. Plus it is a big expiring that has a lot of value. I think i have heard some Magic fans suggest AG for Hayward straight up, which doesnt make much sense to me, Fournier would also have to opt out and it would just be a year, but the Magic would be better next year.

I would do that deal you suggest in a second, because I think you could deal Hayward at the break for a big return, if teams try to clear space for next offseason. It would be like getting 2 firsts plus whatever Hayward gets you, and get rid of Aminu for Vucevic.

All this assumes the Magic are moving in a new direction to try gain more talent.

Sure if teams were willing to take him as an expiring contract that would be great, but what team can afford to trade for a $34m contract? If we trade for him and then try to trade him for a team that wants that expiring deal, then that means we are taking on some serious money

If we make that trade i suggested, it would essentially end up being vuc+aminu for 2 late 1st rounders, because we wouldnt get anything for hayward and he would leave at the end of his deal

Now if we are rebuilding, awesome deal, we get cap relief and 2 young players, and without vuc\isaac next year, we are probably drafting in the top 10 next year. But unfortuantely i dont see Weham, martins or clifford as the rebuilding types

[fendilim]

We got offered Kelly Oubre for AG last deadline. That’s how low he is perceived.

It kinda weird how much this board undervalues Oubre and overvalues AG

Oubre has improved his scoring every year hes been in the league, is a good shooter, a good rebounder for a guard and plays good defense (averaged 1.3spg and almost 1bpg), oh has the most important thing according to weham (and some on this board, a 7'3 wingspan)

I mean last year, he averaged 19ppg, 6.5rpg, 1.5a, 1.3spg, 0.8spg and had the same PER as AG.

Is he perfect, no of course not, but hes far better than people on this board want to believe

Id rather have AG as hes my favorite player, but if thats the trade they make, i wouldnt be mad

Oops. My bad, apparently it was the other way around, albeit unconfirmed.

Other (unconfirmed) reports suggest that Orlando asked for Kelly Oubre Jr. in exchange for Gordon but the Suns declined that request and offered Tyler Johnson and Cameron Johnson instead. The sides never came to an agreement.
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2020/3/6/21168248/suns-made-a-late-push-for-aaron-gordon-at-trade-deadline

[fendilim]

I guess It just depends on what is a reasonable value. What about Vucevic to Boston, Hayward to a third team, and picks to Orlando, maybe two of bostons firsts and something going back to Boston for Hayward.

He is on a fair contract, but there are probably not a lot of teams willing to use $26M of space for a Center.

These last two games, are a good reminder of how skilled he is. He is one of the top centers in the game.

What team would give up picks to take on haywards contract? I think boston will have to include 1sts to unload him, especially with him having another injury last week. Sure its not a crazy one, but it is another injury to a guy who spent the past 2 years basically on the injured list

So to me the question would become, would you take this deal if offered

Vuc+aminu for Hayward+26+30?

I think Hayward would net a decent positive by himself. First he is still pretty good, and plenty serviceable even on defense. Plus it is a big expiring that has a lot of value. I think i have heard some Magic fans suggest AG for Hayward straight up, which doesnt make much sense to me, Fournier would also have to opt out and it would just be a year, but the Magic would be better next year.

I would do that deal you suggest in a second, because I think you could deal Hayward at the break for a big return, if teams try to clear space for next offseason. It would be like getting 2 firsts plus whatever Hayward gets you, and get rid of Aminu for Vucevic.

All this assumes the Magic are moving in a new direction to try gain more talent.

Man, as much as I’d like to have Hayward here, I’d much rather have Vuc. Hayward, in recent year, is probably the modern day Grant Hill. He’s probably sat out more than half of his contract so far. He seems made of glass and can’t catch any break.

[jonbob17]

What team would give up picks to take on haywards contract? I think boston will have to include 1sts to unload him, especially with him having another injury last week. Sure its not a crazy one, but it is another injury to a guy who spent the past 2 years basically on the injured list

So to me the question would become, would you take this deal if offered

Vuc+aminu for Hayward+26+30?

I think Hayward would net a decent positive by himself. First he is still pretty good, and plenty serviceable even on defense. Plus it is a big expiring that has a lot of value. I think i have heard some Magic fans suggest AG for Hayward straight up, which doesnt make much sense to me, Fournier would also have to opt out and it would just be a year, but the Magic would be better next year.

I would do that deal you suggest in a second, because I think you could deal Hayward at the break for a big return, if teams try to clear space for next offseason. It would be like getting 2 firsts plus whatever Hayward gets you, and get rid of Aminu for Vucevic.

All this assumes the Magic are moving in a new direction to try gain more talent.

Sure if teams were willing to take him as an expiring contract that would be great, but what team can afford to trade for a $34m contract? If we trade for him and then try to trade him for a team that wants that expiring deal, then that means we are taking on some serious money

If we make that trade i suggested, it would essentially end up being vuc+aminu for 2 late 1st rounders, because we wouldnt get anything for hayward and he would leave at the end of his deal

Now if we are rebuilding, awesome deal, we get cap relief and 2 young players, and without vuc\isaac next year, we are probably drafting in the top 10 next year. But unfortuantely i dont see Weham, martins or clifford as the rebuilding types

Yah, the magic would have to take back some contract from what ever team took Hayward. You don't really get to move salary in this league for nothing.

I am not saying we should do this, it is an example of a best case scenario of what we could get for Vucevic, a couple of late firsts.
Vuc for Hayward and two first rounders is a steal, but it still wouldn't make the Magic any better now.

[bigdogdylan5]

I really wonder if now is the time to cash in on Vuc. He is about to be 30 on what I think is a reasonable affordable contract. If he comes out of this series averaging 30 PPG and with the Wiz refusing to entertain Beal offers and after how good Phx looked I don’t believe they will entertain trading Booker. Vuc could be perceived as a difference maker. On the ESPN broadcast they said it best, he is the perfect 5 for this league and would be great as a 2nd-3rd option.

Edit:
With Issac out next year and probably getting the barn doors blown off us as the 8th seed two years in a row. It might be wise to retool. AG I would consider keeping if we can’t get a good deal because I still think he has another leap in him (maybe not a big one but with contract decreasing I think he hasn’t hit peak value)

If we were gonna part with Vuc, we should of done it last deadline

He was making 15m, was an expiring and was still in his mid 20s

Hes now about to be 30, making 25m and is under contract for 3 more years. Highly doubt anyone is touching him in a trade with how low centers are valued these days.

The ONLY trade i can think of, and personally dont see it helping us unless our plan is to tank, is if the warriors decide to take anthony edwards\ball over wiseman and offer Wiggins for vuc to give them a legit 1-5

Besides that, im having trouble finding a team with assets and is a legit C away from competing for a ring

Boston? he'd look great next to kemba, brown and tatum, but unless you want to build around Hayward, i dont see that deal getting made, cause event hen we would have to include another player to make the $ work (although if we could include aminu in the league, im in!)

Id say Nets since durant clearly loves Vuc game, but they already have league min jarrett allen. so unless they are willing to trade Lavert+allen (doubt they would make that deal, but would love it if they did), i dont see them making the deal

Sunk cost though we can only control what is in front of us. Some dumb team could fall in love with his playoff performances.

[darthmerrick]

Why is AG listed as Questionable for Game 3 for a Grade 1 hamstring injury? Maybe spinedoc or another sports doctor can enlighten us, but August 5th and August 22nd should be plenty of time to heal a hamstring pulled muscle if it wasn't a serious tear.

[basketballRob]

I really wonder if now is the time to cash in on Vuc. He is about to be 30 on what I think is a reasonable affordable contract. If he comes out of this series averaging 30 PPG and with the Wiz refusing to entertain Beal offers and after how good Phx looked I don’t believe they will entertain trading Booker. Vuc could be perceived as a difference maker. On the ESPN broadcast they said it best, he is the perfect 5 for this league and would be great as a 2nd-3rd option.

Edit:
With Issac out next year and probably getting the barn doors blown off us as the 8th seed two years in a row. It might be wise to retool. AG I would consider keeping if we can’t get a good deal because I still think he has another leap in him (maybe not a big one but with contract decreasing I think he hasn’t hit peak value)

I guess It just depends on what is a reasonable value. What about Vucevic to Boston, Hayward to a third team, and picks to Orlando, maybe two of bostons firsts and something going back to Boston for Hayward.

He is on a fair contract, but there are probably not a lot of teams willing to use $26M of space for a Center.

These last two games, are a good reminder of how skilled he is. He is one of the top centers in the game.

What team would give up picks to take on haywards contract? I think boston will have to include 1sts to unload him, especially with him having another injury last week. Sure its not a crazy one, but it is another injury to a guy who spent the past 2 years basically on the injured list

So to me the question would become, would you take this deal if offered

Vuc+aminu for Hayward+26+30?

I'd ask for the 14. They need Vuc to be the favorite out of the east next season.

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[BadMofoPimp]

Vooch gonna retire a Magician.

[RookieStar]

Why is AG listed as Questionable for Game 3 for a Grade 1 hamstring injury? Maybe spinedoc or another sports doctor can enlighten us, but August 5th and August 22nd should be plenty of time to heal a hamstring pulled muscle if it wasn't a serious tear.

This... is it that serious? ( AG)

[Skybox]

Why is AG listed as Questionable for Game 3 for a Grade 1 hamstring injury? Maybe spinedoc or another sports doctor can enlighten us, but August 5th and August 22nd should be plenty of time to heal a hamstring pulled muscle if it wasn't a serious tear.

This... is it that serious? ( AG)

Hamstring can be like a groin pull...very unpredictable and likely to start over with one explosive move...can never really be sure until you test it (in short term)

[RookieStar]

Why is AG listed as Questionable for Game 3 for a Grade 1 hamstring injury? Maybe spinedoc or another sports doctor can enlighten us, but August 5th and August 22nd should be plenty of time to heal a hamstring pulled muscle if it wasn't a serious tear.

This... is it that serious? ( AG)

Hamstring can be like a groin pull...very unpredictable and likely to start over with one explosive move...can never really be sure until you test it (in short term)

So how do you technically cure it?? Surgery? Rehab? Rest?