Xatticus wrote:Def Swami wrote:pepe1991 wrote:in Brown trade Magic should offer just about everything but Stuff.
And the Celtics would still say no. These talks are crazy.
Of course they would say no, but it isn't really about value. Brown just isn't that good. Boston has been a .500 team since Hayward departed. Brown is a nice player, but he doesn't really move the needle. I could certainly see Boston wanting to make significant changes. The issue is that Brown could be the key piece in a package for a disgruntled star should one hit the market.
I don't know about that. I think Brown can be top 20-15-ish nba player once removed from Tatum.
I think they both are far too similar, occupy same spots and take similar shots and that's core issue with Celtics.
Right now, and it was similar in past, Tatum, Brown and whoever is third option averages around 55 out of 90 team shots. i think under that conditions rest of a team simply loses interest to play hard defense given they are being treated like extras on offence who hardly touch the ball. Robert and Grant Williams average less than 10 shots a game combined.
Other issue, imo, is PG play, and lack of bench production. They fill bench with very young and green players, they don't have starting level PG since IT ( Irving was more of a shooter, Walker was shell of former self, Schroder is like coin flip ) and they for sure have no bench PG. But again, that goes back to Brown- Tatum issue in dynamic. They fill no bench because they don't have salary and even if they did, they still use "bench" by sitting one of them and allowing other to take all the shots.
Wade- Lebron dynamic had same issues but they were just so overstacked with talent and worked (but kind a underachived).
George- Kawhi dynamic has same issues.
If you look at type of plays they recive, you will soon figure Brown is more effective than Tatum in just about everything. But Tatum still averages 5 more shots to climb 3 points more. Tatum leads league in isolation plays but is complete mess from it ( 40% EFG), Tatum leads them in most shots off screen, but is also mess from there, Tatum leads them in usage and raw shots taken. Brown does just about everything much better...but in hierarchy is lower because...ego of Tatum ... or coaching... or having no actual leader. IF Celtics made CP3 trade they would probably be defending champions right now. Instad, they always feel like team without actual leader and without actual center.
I don't watch them more than 10-15-20 times a year but have some Celtic fans among friends and most of them b*** and moan how in every playoff series their team looks like midget squad. If you look back, Kyrie Irving averaged more rebounds in that series than any Celtics player but T. Thompson
Regardless, at least imo, Brown will probably be traded once, and guy will look amazing in team with better structure and less Tatum's -ego-centric offence.
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