Around The League 2022-2023 season

[esvl]

Why cant this be my opinion? because you dont agree with it? and where did I attack him? i said it is a pattern that if he doesnt address it, could cost him millions. So answer me, which of those recent incidents are not true? I can keep an open mind. Which of those incidents did not happen? or did not happen in the way that was described?
Irving - he didnt threaten anyone, just had an unpopular opinion.
Brooks - no off court issues that I know of. not sure how he is included in something like this. he will be signed by someone in the off season.

its not herd mentality, it is just not an opinion you agree with. which is fine, but it doesnt make it any less valid

Let’s the marrow down what we disagree on:
1. We aren’t disputing facts, though I am not sure they are correct. You don’t know them first hand either. Ja is not allowed to even explain his angle.
2. We aren’t disputing that Ja can loose millions.
3. We aren’t disputing there is the contract between Ja and NBA.
4. I am glad this opinion is yours.

What I am concerned with is that NOBODY here dared to challenge the NBA position. I am alone on that. That’s where you smells the herd sheep mentality. There is no fair discussion here why the NBA has any issues with Ja, like there was no such discussion in the case of Irving.

first of all, it wasnt the NBA that suspended JA, it was his direct employer the Grizzlies. Again, Ja likely has some clause that allows this. NFL contracts do also. That is the counterpoint to having guaranteed contracts, so that you are paid if even if you get injured. Teams and lawyers dont want to get stuck paying for a player that becomes radioactive, basically because they were dumb. though i do have points back.
1 - what facts are you not sure are correct? about the only one i can see any dispute on is the laser point from the car. it was definitely meant to intimidate. now was it from a gun, or just a plain laser sight, who know. But all the other incidents had multiple witnesses.

you say no one "dared challenge" the NBA position. you notice, not even a single former NBA player is supporting Ja, because Ja is dumb and doing this to himself. They all know there are provisions in their employment contract that outline what type of behavior you cant do. sometimes it is high level, like this might be. Sometimes it is very descriptive, like No gambling on NBA games. it feels like im debating one of his posse or a family member. you feel strongly about it, but when you are on an island, maybe it is you that is wrong and not everyone else. when not a single former or current player is supporting him, that should tell you something

Let’s guess why no player go public against corporations. Imagine anyone expressing any unacceptable political views in public? Your comrades would be first to demand cancelling them. There is no value of open discussion anymore. You go with the narrative, otherwise, you are punished. And make no mistake, you have shaped this environment. With all my respect to the level of your arguments.

[Skybox]

Ridiculous takes about "slavery" and corporate whores...he's acting like a completely irresponsible human being...if anything, he's been coddled due to his incredible talent. His corporate slavemasters, who (hope to ) pay him hundreds of millions of dollars over the next few years, have protected him thus far...some BS suspension during the spring is play acting. He'd be in jail already if not for his talent. If I was waving a laser sight over a bus full of people - I'd be gone...and rightfully. I really didn't think too much of it before because many of us can be pretty stupid at his age (generally) and noone got hurt. But for him to continue to not see how close he is to losing it ALL over his childish behavior is getting scary. You've got to figure that quite a few people who care about him or at least care about his cash flow, have been in his ear, telling him to stop the crazy thug behavior...him doing it again, on camera even, so soon after wrecking his team's season, is more than a little concerning...these are not just PR issues that "The Man" is concerned about, these are extremely dangerous criminal issues. I don't know how many more chances he'll get to develop a shred of sense, but I'm sure he's got a lot longer leash than anyone on this board and he doesn't appreciate how close he is to the end.

[pepe1991]

Slavery?

Guy can retire at age of 23 with near $150M in his bank

[tiderulz]

Let’s the marrow down what we disagree on:
1. We aren’t disputing facts, though I am not sure they are correct. You don’t know them first hand either. Ja is not allowed to even explain his angle.
2. We aren’t disputing that Ja can loose millions.
3. We aren’t disputing there is the contract between Ja and NBA.
4. I am glad this opinion is yours.

What I am concerned with is that NOBODY here dared to challenge the NBA position. I am alone on that. That’s where you smells the herd sheep mentality. There is no fair discussion here why the NBA has any issues with Ja, like there was no such discussion in the case of Irving.

first of all, it wasnt the NBA that suspended JA, it was his direct employer the Grizzlies. Again, Ja likely has some clause that allows this. NFL contracts do also. That is the counterpoint to having guaranteed contracts, so that you are paid if even if you get injured. Teams and lawyers dont want to get stuck paying for a player that becomes radioactive, basically because they were dumb. though i do have points back.
1 - what facts are you not sure are correct? about the only one i can see any dispute on is the laser point from the car. it was definitely meant to intimidate. now was it from a gun, or just a plain laser sight, who know. But all the other incidents had multiple witnesses.

you say no one "dared challenge" the NBA position. you notice, not even a single former NBA player is supporting Ja, because Ja is dumb and doing this to himself. They all know there are provisions in their employment contract that outline what type of behavior you cant do. sometimes it is high level, like this might be. Sometimes it is very descriptive, like No gambling on NBA games. it feels like im debating one of his posse or a family member. you feel strongly about it, but when you are on an island, maybe it is you that is wrong and not everyone else. when not a single former or current player is supporting him, that should tell you something

Let’s guess why no player go public against corporations. Imagine anyone expressing any unacceptable political views in public? Your comrades would be first to demand cancelling them. There is no value of open discussion anymore. You go with the narrative, otherwise, you are punished. And make no mistake, you have shaped this environment. With all my respect to the level of your arguments.

And players did when 6 teams refused to play Aug 2020. Rasheed Wallace was constantly publicly fighting the NBA. its the same reason why most people dont go public against their employer, they would get fired. go out right now and make a public statement against whoever you are working for and see how well that goes over? or go get publicly drunk and yell out who you work for. If you dont like it, you can work for yourself, otherwise if you have a contract with an employer, you have to abide by those terms.

and "You comrades" cmon man, you are better than that.

[esvl]

first of all, it wasnt the NBA that suspended JA, it was his direct employer the Grizzlies. Again, Ja likely has some clause that allows this. NFL contracts do also. That is the counterpoint to having guaranteed contracts, so that you are paid if even if you get injured. Teams and lawyers dont want to get stuck paying for a player that becomes radioactive, basically because they were dumb. though i do have points back.
1 - what facts are you not sure are correct? about the only one i can see any dispute on is the laser point from the car. it was definitely meant to intimidate. now was it from a gun, or just a plain laser sight, who know. But all the other incidents had multiple witnesses.

you say no one "dared challenge" the NBA position. you notice, not even a single former NBA player is supporting Ja, because Ja is dumb and doing this to himself. They all know there are provisions in their employment contract that outline what type of behavior you cant do. sometimes it is high level, like this might be. Sometimes it is very descriptive, like No gambling on NBA games. it feels like im debating one of his posse or a family member. you feel strongly about it, but when you are on an island, maybe it is you that is wrong and not everyone else. when not a single former or current player is supporting him, that should tell you something

Let’s guess why no player go public against corporations. Imagine anyone expressing any unacceptable political views in public? Your comrades would be first to demand cancelling them. There is no value of open discussion anymore. You go with the narrative, otherwise, you are punished. And make no mistake, you have shaped this environment. With all my respect to the level of your arguments.

And players did when 6 teams refused to play Aug 2020. Rasheed Wallace was constantly publicly fighting the NBA. its the same reason why most people dont go public against their employer, they would get fired. go out right now and make a public statement against whoever you are working for and see how well that goes over? or go get publicly drunk and yell out who you work for. If you dont like it, you can work for yourself, otherwise if you have a contract with an employer, you have to abide by those terms.

and "You comrades" cmon man, you are better than that.

Let’s end this dispute. We’ve heard each other. I cannot share what I think about people with your views without getting banned. Nothing personal bro I don’t know you. Good luck!

[tiderulz]

Let’s guess why no player go public against corporations. Imagine anyone expressing any unacceptable political views in public? Your comrades would be first to demand cancelling them. There is no value of open discussion anymore. You go with the narrative, otherwise, you are punished. And make no mistake, you have shaped this environment. With all my respect to the level of your arguments.

And players did when 6 teams refused to play Aug 2020. Rasheed Wallace was constantly publicly fighting the NBA. its the same reason why most people dont go public against their employer, they would get fired. go out right now and make a public statement against whoever you are working for and see how well that goes over? or go get publicly drunk and yell out who you work for. If you dont like it, you can work for yourself, otherwise if you have a contract with an employer, you have to abide by those terms.

and "You comrades" cmon man, you are better than that.

Let’s end this dispute. We’ve heard each other. I cannot share what I think about people with your views without getting banned. Nothing personal bro I don’t know you. Good luck!

again, then why are you arguing on a Magic board?

and lol, "my views" you know nothing about me.

[drsd]

Your position is clear. This is the NBA, as a corporation it cannot be wrong, cannot make mistakes, so it cannot be challenged. Irving was destroyed, now Ja is destroyed. You are fine with that, I am not. That’s an essential difference we will never be able to settle, unless you once face some similar experience with corporations. I wish you will not.

Many here on the Magic board have admired the depth chart the Griz has built. Memphis has a roster that could be sustainably good for a number of years. Most of us Orlando fans simply want Morant to keep his focus on basketball. Because none of us really care about any player's off-court lifestyle. We care about the outcome of basketball games. Morant is already a top-30 player in the NBA. Next year he could be a top-10 guy.

As a fan, he is fun to watch. As his game leads to wins.

That's "my position". I hope that is clear.



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[The-Stallion70]

Lakers look really good. Their changes they made during the season were huge. Lebron at 38 looks as big and strong and as good as ever. Traded away Westbrook, added D'Angelo and Hachimura who fit around Lebron and AD much better.

Lebron and AD each only played 55 and 56 games respectively during the season and so are rested.

This current Lakers team is much different than the version that won 44 regular season games.

[RookieStar]

You guys need to understand the difference between employment and slavery. The former is when your personal life and beliefs is none of your employer’s business. The latter implies that your owner may force you to follow certain political beliefs or … your spouse at will. It’s 2023 outside. Wake up guys. There are some boundaries to in what your employer may demand you to do. What Ja has done is perfectly legal. The NBA should reconsider its role in politics.

Respectfully, this is a basketball site. Please focus on the player or the game. My comment was about the employment contract Morant signed, and the large financial costs he may endure if he has (apparently) violated its conditions.

This could be about a bunch of different things. i.e. Antisemitic trope (Kyrie Irving), using cocaine (Chris Andersen), concealing stolen property (Malik Beasley), or punching a teammate (Bobby Portis). The list is large. The details of the violation itself is not the point.

Every year there is a bunch of players suspended for light drugs or PEDs, for example. Recall Dion Waiters being suspended for brownie consumption.

Rules are rules. This isn't about guns.



p.s. this reminds me of Türkoğlu getting popped for PED use. Just a couple years after this:


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Your position is clear. This is the NBA, as a corporation it cannot be wrong, cannot make mistakes, so it cannot be challenged. Irving was destroyed, now Ja is destroyed. You are fine with that, I am not. That’s an essential difference we will never be able to settle, unless you once face some similar experience with corporations. I wish you will not.

You got one thing right. The NBA is a corporation. Therefore of you work for them, then you follow its rules and regulations. If JA broke one of the clauses of its contract ( whether to the Grizz in particular or NBA in general) then exepect the worst.

As far as i know, the NBA isn't forcing JA or anyone else to work/sign with them. In fact, its the other way around when guys figuratively kill each other to be aprt of them.

Put it this way.. i work for an international financial/monetary company. I have a clause in ny contract that I cannot enter/join any gambling establishments aka casino, horse racing, etc. As far as i know, me and the rest are fine with that otherwise we would quit. Same as JA.

[RookieStar]

Hield is an expiring. and they have Mathurin and Duarte that they want more time for. I wouldnt offer more than our 2nd, i wouldnt give up a first.

Hield for Isaac and this year's Magic SRP: I love that trade for Orlando!


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but question. if you draft a SG with #6, that player now sits behind Hield? are they mature enough to do it and work hard to take the spot over or do they pout?

Ive been thinking about this... but wasn't Hield a backup this season to the Pacers?

[esvl]

Respectfully, this is a basketball site. Please focus on the player or the game. My comment was about the employment contract Morant signed, and the large financial costs he may endure if he has (apparently) violated its conditions.

This could be about a bunch of different things. i.e. Antisemitic trope (Kyrie Irving), using cocaine (Chris Andersen), concealing stolen property (Malik Beasley), or punching a teammate (Bobby Portis). The list is large. The details of the violation itself is not the point.

Every year there is a bunch of players suspended for light drugs or PEDs, for example. Recall Dion Waiters being suspended for brownie consumption.

Rules are rules. This isn't about guns.



p.s. this reminds me of Türkoğlu getting popped for PED use. Just a couple years after this:


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Your position is clear. This is the NBA, as a corporation it cannot be wrong, cannot make mistakes, so it cannot be challenged. Irving was destroyed, now Ja is destroyed. You are fine with that, I am not. That’s an essential difference we will never be able to settle, unless you once face some similar experience with corporations. I wish you will not.

You got one thing right. The NBA is a corporation. Therefore of you work for them, then you follow its rules and regulations. If JA broke one of the clauses of its contract ( whether to the Grizz in particular or NBA in general) then exepect the worst.

As far as i know, the NBA isn't forcing JA or anyone else to work/sign with them. In fact, its the other way around when guys figuratively kill each other to be aprt of them.

Put it this way.. i work for an international financial/monetary company. I have a clause in ny contract that I cannot enter/join any gambling establishments aka casino, horse racing, etc. As far as i know, me and the rest are fine with that otherwise we would quit. Same as JA.

I guess my friend you have never experienced problems with your employer. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be so quick in providing your full support to rich morons who run the NBA - like they need it.

[eyriq]

I'm picking Denver in 5 and Celtics in 5. Then Celtics in 7.

[RookieStar]

Your position is clear. This is the NBA, as a corporation it cannot be wrong, cannot make mistakes, so it cannot be challenged. Irving was destroyed, now Ja is destroyed. You are fine with that, I am not. That’s an essential difference we will never be able to settle, unless you once face some similar experience with corporations. I wish you will not.

You got one thing right. The NBA is a corporation. Therefore of you work for them, then you follow its rules and regulations. If JA broke one of the clauses of its contract ( whether to the Grizz in particular or NBA in general) then exepect the worst.

As far as i know, the NBA isn't forcing JA or anyone else to work/sign with them. In fact, its the other way around when guys figuratively kill each other to be aprt of them.

Put it this way.. i work for an international financial/monetary company. I have a clause in ny contract that I cannot enter/join any gambling establishments aka casino, horse racing, etc. As far as i know, me and the rest are fine with that otherwise we would quit. Same as JA.

I guess my friend you have never experienced problems with your employer. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be so quick in providing your full support to rich morons who run the NBA - like they need it.

Oh i have.
I was in my early 20s when i found out i was transfered from Canada to Asia.
I was told to get additional degrees if I want that promotion.
I was told to suck-up to people who i detest just because they have a lot of zeroes in their accounts.
Etc etc

But at the end of the day I ,like mosthere, like money. Aka we need it to survive and enjoy life. And since im unlucky enough NOT to own the company i work for.....So we honor out contract otherwise we could leave whenever we want.

[RookieStar]

Your position is clear. This is the NBA, as a corporation it cannot be wrong, cannot make mistakes, so it cannot be challenged. Irving was destroyed, now Ja is destroyed. You are fine with that, I am not. That’s an essential difference we will never be able to settle, unless you once face some similar experience with corporations. I wish you will not.

You got one thing right. The NBA is a corporation. Therefore of you work for them, then you follow its rules and regulations. If JA broke one of the clauses of its contract ( whether to the Grizz in particular or NBA in general) then exepect the worst.

As far as i know, the NBA isn't forcing JA or anyone else to work/sign with them. In fact, its the other way around when guys figuratively kill each other to be aprt of them.

Put it this way.. i work for an international financial/monetary company. I have a clause in ny contract that I cannot enter/join any gambling establishments aka casino, horse racing, etc. As far as i know, me and the rest are fine with that otherwise we would quit. Same as JA.

I guess my friend you have never experienced problems with your employer. Otherwise, you wouldn’t be so quick in providing your full support to rich morons who run the NBA - like they need it.

Oh i have.
I was in my early 20s when i found out i was transfered from Canada to Asia.
I was told to get additional degrees if I want that promotion.
I was told to suck-up to people who i detest just because they have a lot of zeroes in their accounts.
Etc etc

But at the end of the day I ,like mosthere, like money. Aka we need it to survive and enjoy life. And since im unlucky enough NOT to own the company i work for.....So we honor out contract otherwise we could leave whenever we want.

[RookieStar]

I'm picking Denver in 5 and Celtics in 5. Then Celtics in 7.

Im picking DEN to win it all unless the league will entertain some shenanigans to get LBJ a ring while promoting a Celts vs Lakers duel

[CZ Eddie]

Lakers are my #2 team but I figure the Nuggies (dammit) will tan their hide pretty good.
The one news outlet I checked for odds on this said both of their sources were advising Lakers FTW.
IDK what to think.
They said Lakers match up well with everyone except Joker.

Looking forward to this series.
Apologies in advance for any drunk posts I make tomorrow for game 1!

[Hogified05]

Let’s guess why no player go public against corporations. Imagine anyone expressing any unacceptable political views in public? Your comrades would be first to demand cancelling them. There is no value of open discussion anymore. You go with the narrative, otherwise, you are punished. And make no mistake, you have shaped this environment. With all my respect to the level of your arguments.

And players did when 6 teams refused to play Aug 2020. Rasheed Wallace was constantly publicly fighting the NBA. its the same reason why most people dont go public against their employer, they would get fired. go out right now and make a public statement against whoever you are working for and see how well that goes over? or go get publicly drunk and yell out who you work for. If you dont like it, you can work for yourself, otherwise if you have a contract with an employer, you have to abide by those terms.

and "You comrades" cmon man, you are better than that.

Let’s end this dispute. We’ve heard each other. I cannot share what I think about people with your views without getting banned. Nothing personal bro I don’t know you. Good luck!

lol my bad at getting this thing started. I think Ja will submit to whatever he needs to do to save his career and get all that money. But personally, even if I think it was stupid, if they derails his career and he gets blackballed I think he has a valid lawsuit on his hands and milk the NBA for a lot of money. No laws seem to have been broken (could be wrong I am ignorant to it). Top notch lawyers will get their hands on this. How do we even know if it was a real gun?

Bottom line is Ja gotta be smarter. I think he will figure that out by next year. If he likes guns that's no crime he just has to know he is in a position he can't boost like a rap video with them.

[RookieStar]

And players did when 6 teams refused to play Aug 2020. Rasheed Wallace was constantly publicly fighting the NBA. its the same reason why most people dont go public against their employer, they would get fired. go out right now and make a public statement against whoever you are working for and see how well that goes over? or go get publicly drunk and yell out who you work for. If you dont like it, you can work for yourself, otherwise if you have a contract with an employer, you have to abide by those terms.

and "You comrades" cmon man, you are better than that.

Let’s end this dispute. We’ve heard each other. I cannot share what I think about people with your views without getting banned. Nothing personal bro I don’t know you. Good luck!

lol my bad at getting this thing started. I think Ja will submit to whatever he needs to do to save his career and get all that money. But personally, even if I think it was stupid, if they derails his career and he gets blackballed I think he has a valid lawsuit on his hands and milk the NBA for a lot of money. No laws seem to have been broken (could be wrong I am ignorant to it). Top notch lawyers will get their hands on this. How do we even know if it was a real gun?

Bottom line is Ja gotta be smarter. I think he will figure that out by next year. If he likes guns that's no crime he just has to know he is in a position he can't boost like a rap video with them.

No law has been broken yes.. what about the leagues rules and regs though?

As i said before in my experience... there is no law being broken if i go inside a casino but i sure will break the rule in my contract for the company. Don't think there is a valid lawsuit i can make. Lol

[drsd]

Ive been thinking about this... but wasn't Hield a backup this season to the Pacers?

He started 73 of 80 games played last year. But he only has 3-or-4 seasons as a primary starter. I think he would be happy in Orlando if told he would be "guaranteed" the SG starting role as on many teams, yes he would be a sixth man.

[pepe1991]

One thing i'm always shocked to see is "XY team considers Mike D'antoni" i like him, i think it's hilarious that one person who helped revolutionize basketball happends to be least articulate coaches in nba. I love how in his interviews he is always uncomfortable for no reason. It's adorable and cute

BUT guy is 72 years old. How da hell are you going to fly around with guy in mid 70s and task him to work NBA schedule?

Why don't you hire him as some sort of consulstant instad of head coach?