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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 5: Orlando Magic (2-2) at Utah Jazz (2-3) - 9pm 

Post#1161 » by basketballRob » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:42 pm

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Residual-Heat wrote:thats just not true.
He's usually been the player bringing the ball up when he's been in.

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For the most part he was playing alongside Cole yesterday. Even in preseason he played most of his minutes SG/SF. IIRC the only game where he played mostly at PG was against the Flamengos.

Great game from him yesterday and i loved to see it, but he's not ready to be a starting PG right now. In the future, maybe but i think he'd need another guard next to him that can stay infront of quick PGs.
He could be in the rotation at PG in the next game. He's a better option at PG than Suggs.

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Post#1162 » by Residual-Heat » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:45 pm

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basketballRob wrote: He's usually been the player bringing the ball up when he's been in.

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For the most part he was playing alongside Cole yesterday. Even in preseason he played most of his minutes SG/SF. IIRC the only game where he played mostly at PG was against the Flamengos.

Great game from him yesterday and i loved to see it, but he's not ready to be a starting PG right now. In the future, maybe but i think he'd need another guard next to him that can stay infront of quick PGs.
He could be in the rotation at PG in the next game. He's a better option at PG than Suggs.

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my guess is he will play alongside Cole again.

Suggs is a much better shooter than Black and he's a better defender. So no if the option is between Black and Suggs at PG im taking Suggs. Ofcourse id rather have neither Suggs, Black, Fultz or Cole at starting PG.
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Post#1163 » by JoshuaPotter » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:46 pm

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I get the reasoning behind this.

But you can’t really have it both ways. If you want Jordan Clarkson to go 5-20 or for Donovan Mitchell, or Jalen Green to have the worst game of the season, then you want Suggs in there. Will we see another game this season where Austin Reaves gets to the line zero times?

You have to weigh what Gary Harris could potentially do on offense compared to what Suggs is doing to opposing shooting guards.

I agree though that if the starting point guard is going to be Anthony Black, then you might want Jett or Gary in there instead. Just know that the defense will not be where it is now (top 3-5) in those minutes.


Suggs played 21, 26, and 20 minutes against Utah, LAL, and Houston.


Correct. It’s not the minutes. It’s the matchup. Are his minutes against a backup SG or the other teams first or second option?

It’s more about where his minutes are best used.

It might be overkill with him and AB, which is something I’d like to see once :lol: So I understand moving him to the second unit/ sixth man role if and when Black can take over.


Both are young enough. That in terms overall skill set. It's still possible for one or both to develop a respectable jump shot. If Blacks post game 3pt shooting practice is a view into his actual work ethic. Then there is a chance for him being a spot up shooter eventually.

As much as Fultz is an NBA caliber player. Black and Suggs both display something already at an elite level although Black more flashes.

Suggs is already an elite defender. Black in limited minutes showed he is willing to play within a system, contribute good "D", and draw fouls. Which the fouls are what I expect him to get at a potentially elite level and fits more within our system of grind it out, and lead the league in FTA or the "other 3-ball" or "hard mode 3=ball"
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Re: 2023-2024 Regular Season Game 5: Orlando Magic (2-2) at Utah Jazz (2-3) - 9pm 

Post#1164 » by basketballRob » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:49 pm

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Residual-Heat wrote:For the most part he was playing alongside Cole yesterday. Even in preseason he played most of his minutes SG/SF. IIRC the only game where he played mostly at PG was against the Flamengos.

Great game from him yesterday and i loved to see it, but he's not ready to be a starting PG right now. In the future, maybe but i think he'd need another guard next to him that can stay infront of quick PGs.
He could be in the rotation at PG in the next game. He's a better option at PG than Suggs.

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my guess is he will play alongside Cole again.

Suggs is a much better shooter than Black and he's a better defender. So no if the option is between Black and Suggs at PG im taking Suggs. Ofcourse id rather have neither Suggs, Black, Fultz or Cole at starting PG.
Black has a better handle than Suggs. Suggs is a turnover machine.

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Post#1165 » by Residual-Heat » Fri Nov 3, 2023 3:52 pm

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basketballRob wrote:He could be in the rotation at PG in the next game. He's a better option at PG than Suggs.

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my guess is he will play alongside Cole again.

Suggs is a much better shooter than Black and he's a better defender. So no if the option is between Black and Suggs at PG im taking Suggs. Ofcourse id rather have neither Suggs, Black, Fultz or Cole at starting PG.
Black has a better handle than Suggs. Suggs is a turnover machine.

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Black doesnt have poor handles and a turnover machine? How quick some people forget...
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Post#1166 » by SloNick Russia » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:00 pm

Black can defend 1-3, which secures him a rotation spot, on offense he can run on a fast break with nice finishing and passing ability and he is kind of a smart cutter, a complimentary role but still worth playing time.
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Post#1167 » by basketballRob » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:03 pm

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Residual-Heat wrote:my guess is he will play alongside Cole again.

Suggs is a much better shooter than Black and he's a better defender. So no if the option is between Black and Suggs at PG im taking Suggs. Ofcourse id rather have neither Suggs, Black, Fultz or Cole at starting PG.
Black has a better handle than Suggs. Suggs is a turnover machine.

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Black doesnt have poor handles and a turnover machine? How quick some people forget...
He's handled the ball well so far. I also think his shot has more touch than Suggs and will eventually be a better shooter than him. Black has a floater game, and Suggs has never had the touch to add the floater.

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Post#1168 » by SloNick Russia » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:05 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Black has a better handle than Suggs. Suggs is a turnover machine.

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Black doesnt have poor handles and a turnover machine? How quick some people forget...
He's handled the ball well so far. I also think his shot has more touch than Suggs and will eventually be a better shooter than him.

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Don't know about shooting but finishing from close looks much beter then Suggs's
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Post#1169 » by Residual-Heat » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:09 pm

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basketballRob wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:Black doesnt have poor handles and a turnover machine? How quick some people forget...
He's handled the ball well so far. I also think his shot has more touch than Suggs and will eventually be a better shooter than him.

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Don't know about shooting but finishing from close looks much beter then Suggs's

I can agree with that, but definitely not the shooting part. Black has shot like 50% from the FT line in summer league/preseason. Only made 1/12 3s and the one make was a lucky bank shot, the rest of his attempts looked horrible.
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Post#1170 » by basketballRob » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:13 pm

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basketballRob wrote:He's handled the ball well so far. I also think his shot has more touch than Suggs and will eventually be a better shooter than him.

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Don't know about shooting but finishing from close looks much beter then Suggs's

I can agree with that, but definitely not the shooting part. Black has shot like 50% from the FT line in summer league/preseason. Only made 1/12 3s and the one make was a lucky bank shot, the rest of his attempts looked horrible.
I don't recall him taking that many 3's. He shot 134-190 FTs for 71% as an 18 year old freshman at Arkansas. My guess is that he'll likely be around 75% with a larger sample size in the NBA.

Suggs was about 1 year older than Black in college and shot 86-114 for 75%.

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Post#1171 » by Residual-Heat » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:19 pm

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Don't know about shooting but finishing from close looks much beter then Suggs's

I can agree with that, but definitely not the shooting part. Black has shot like 50% from the FT line in summer league/preseason. Only made 1/12 3s and the one make was a lucky bank shot, the rest of his attempts looked horrible.
I don't recall him taking that many 3's. He shot 134-190 FTs for 71% as an 18 year old freshman at Arkansas. My guess is that he'll likely be around 75% with a larger sample size in the NBA.

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https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Anthony-Black/Summary/176057
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Post#1172 » by basketballRob » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:22 pm

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Residual-Heat wrote:I can agree with that, but definitely not the shooting part. Black has shot like 50% from the FT line in summer league/preseason. Only made 1/12 3s and the one make was a lucky bank shot, the rest of his attempts looked horrible.
I don't recall him taking that many 3's. He shot 134-190 FTs for 71% as an 18 year old freshman at Arkansas. My guess is that he'll likely be around 75% with a larger sample size in the NBA.

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https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Anthony-Black/Summary/176057
He hasn't missed one in the real games yet.

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Post#1173 » by Residual-Heat » Fri Nov 3, 2023 4:24 pm

basketballRob wrote:
Residual-Heat wrote:
basketballRob wrote:I don't recall him taking that many 3's. He shot 134-190 FTs for 71% as an 18 year old freshman at Arkansas. My guess is that he'll likely be around 75% with a larger sample size in the NBA.

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He hasn't missed one in the real games yet.

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Post#1174 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Nov 3, 2023 5:12 pm

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Suggs played 21, 26, and 20 minutes against Utah, LAL, and Houston.


Correct. It’s not the minutes. It’s the matchup. Are his minutes against a backup SG or the other teams first or second option?

It’s more about where his minutes are best used.

It might be overkill with him and AB, which is something I’d like to see once :lol: So I understand moving him to the second unit/ sixth man role if and when Black can take over.


Both are young enough. That in terms overall skill set. It's still possible for one or both to develop a respectable jump shot. If Blacks post game 3pt shooting practice is a view into his actual work ethic. Then there is a chance for him being a spot up shooter eventually.

As much as Fultz is an NBA caliber player. Black and Suggs both display something already at an elite level although Black more flashes.

Suggs is already an elite defender. Black in limited minutes showed he is willing to play within a system, contribute good "D", and draw fouls. Which the fouls are what I expect him to get at a potentially elite level and fits more within our system of grind it out, and lead the league in FTA or the "other 3-ball" or "hard mode 3=ball"


Let me help you guys out a little.

2 of the 5 games Suggs was in foul trouble with 3 fouls at the half and 1 of the games was a blowout. That leaves 2 games where in 1 he played 32 minutes.

The fan-base on here is being extra bi-polar with Suggs today. And I've gone to other Magic boards and none of them are as down on Suggs after his 1st rocky game of the season where he was inured during the game. The dude makes at least 4 crucial plays in the last 3 minutes. You don't win the game without that. Now guys want to limit him to a 20 MPG player for the rest of his career? LOL.. y'all are crazy. Dude will be wearing a different uniform.
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Post#1175 » by Optimus_Steel » Fri Nov 3, 2023 5:12 pm

Was this Paolo's first game winning shot?

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Post#1176 » by JoshuaPotter » Fri Nov 3, 2023 5:26 pm

ibraheim718 wrote:
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Correct. It’s not the minutes. It’s the matchup. Are his minutes against a backup SG or the other teams first or second option?

It’s more about where his minutes are best used.

It might be overkill with him and AB, which is something I’d like to see once :lol: So I understand moving him to the second unit/ sixth man role if and when Black can take over.


Both are young enough. That in terms overall skill set. It's still possible for one or both to develop a respectable jump shot. If Blacks post game 3pt shooting practice is a view into his actual work ethic. Then there is a chance for him being a spot up shooter eventually.

As much as Fultz is an NBA caliber player. Black and Suggs both display something already at an elite level although Black more flashes.

Suggs is already an elite defender. Black in limited minutes showed he is willing to play within a system, contribute good "D", and draw fouls. Which the fouls are what I expect him to get at a potentially elite level and fits more within our system of grind it out, and lead the league in FTA or the "other 3-ball" or "hard mode 3=ball"


Let me help you guys out a little.

2 of the 5 games Suggs was in foul trouble with 3 fouls at the half and 1 of the games was a blowout. That leaves 2 games where in 1 he played 32 minutes.

The fan-base on here is being extra bi-polar with Suggs today. And I've gone to other Magic boards and none of them are as down on Suggs after his 1st rocky game of the season where he was inured during the game. The dude makes at least 4 crucial plays in the last 3 minutes. You don't win the game without that. Now guys want to limit him to a 20 MPG player for the rest of his career? LOL.. y'all are crazy. Dude will be wearing a different uniform.


Uno reverse. I have never been down on Suggs. Never once commented on his shooting / effort other then saying just now that I think his defense is elite level.
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Post#1177 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Nov 3, 2023 5:32 pm

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Both are young enough. That in terms overall skill set. It's still possible for one or both to develop a respectable jump shot. If Blacks post game 3pt shooting practice is a view into his actual work ethic. Then there is a chance for him being a spot up shooter eventually.

As much as Fultz is an NBA caliber player. Black and Suggs both display something already at an elite level although Black more flashes.

Suggs is already an elite defender. Black in limited minutes showed he is willing to play within a system, contribute good "D", and draw fouls. Which the fouls are what I expect him to get at a potentially elite level and fits more within our system of grind it out, and lead the league in FTA or the "other 3-ball" or "hard mode 3=ball"


Let me help you guys out a little.

2 of the 5 games Suggs was in foul trouble with 3 fouls at the half and 1 of the games was a blowout. That leaves 2 games where in 1 he played 32 minutes.

The fan-base on here is being extra bi-polar with Suggs today. And I've gone to other Magic boards and none of them are as down on Suggs after his 1st rocky game of the season where he was inured during the game. The dude makes at least 4 crucial plays in the last 3 minutes. You don't win the game without that. Now guys want to limit him to a 20 MPG player for the rest of his career? LOL.. y'all are crazy. Dude will be wearing a different uniform.


Uno reverse. I have never been down on Suggs. Never once commented on his shooting / effort other then saying just now that I think his defense is elite level.


It wasn't directed at you apologies. I wanted to just input into the minutes played.
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Post#1178 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Nov 3, 2023 5:34 pm

Optimus_Steel wrote:Was this Paolo's first game winning shot?

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Yeah.
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Post#1179 » by ibraheim718 » Fri Nov 3, 2023 6:34 pm

Thru 5 games Orlando has the 3rd ranked defense per DRTG.
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Post#1180 » by eyriq » Fri Nov 3, 2023 6:35 pm

ibraheim718 wrote:Thru 5 games Orlando has the 3rd ranked defense per DRTG.
Impressive

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