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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#1161 » by RookieStar » Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:51 pm

tiderulz wrote:
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KillMonger wrote:For me as of now.....

Untouchable- Paolo Banchero
King's Ransom- Franz wagner
Right Deal-Jalen Suggs/Wendell Carter/Cole Anthony
Open Mind-Jonathan Isaac/Black/Howard/Moe/Goga/Caleb
Open Season- Joe ingles/Gary Harris/Markelle Fultz/Chuma


Think you put Suggs in the kings ransom. I mean if you believe the talk about so many teams asking us about Suggs during the deadline...

no, i think its right. Suggs for the right deal. now the "right deal" is higher than what you might get for Cole or WCJ, but he hasnt done enough for me to place him too high yet.


Well the right deal for me is probably a kings ransom for some team lol.
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Post#1162 » by flying_mollusk » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:08 pm

tiderulz wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
KillMonger wrote:For me as of now.....

Untouchable- Paolo Banchero
King's Ransom- Franz wagner
Right Deal-Jalen Suggs/Wendell Carter/Cole Anthony
Open Mind-Jonathan Isaac/Black/Howard/Moe/Goga/Caleb
Open Season- Joe ingles/Gary Harris/Markelle Fultz/Chuma


Think you put Suggs in the kings ransom. I mean if you believe the talk about so many teams asking us about Suggs during the deadline...

no, i think its right. Suggs for the right deal. now the "right deal" is higher than what you might get for Cole or WCJ, but he hasnt done enough for me to place him too high yet.


What’s an example of right deal?
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Post#1163 » by RichCollab » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:13 pm

flying_mollusk wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
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Think you put Suggs in the kings ransom. I mean if you believe the talk about so many teams asking us about Suggs during the deadline...

no, i think its right. Suggs for the right deal. now the "right deal" is higher than what you might get for Cole or WCJ, but he hasnt done enough for me to place him too high yet.


What’s an example of right deal?


Example of the right deal is a King’s ransom.

Suggs needs his own tier and is closest to King’s ransom. Suggs is a good to great fit next to Franz and Paolo.
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Post#1164 » by RichCollab » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:16 pm

I would bump JI up a tier also. Everything else is spot on.

JI is high risk high reward and we need a player like that. This is his second best season health wise and we should see what next season brings for him.
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Post#1165 » by flying_mollusk » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:25 pm

RichCollab wrote:
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tiderulz wrote:no, i think its right. Suggs for the right deal. now the "right deal" is higher than what you might get for Cole or WCJ, but he hasnt done enough for me to place him too high yet.


What’s an example of right deal?


Example of the right deal is a King’s ransom.

Suggs needs his own tier and is closest to King’s ransom. Suggs is a good to great fit next to Franz and Paolo.


Suggs is definitely kings ransom for me.
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Post#1166 » by tiderulz » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:32 pm

flying_mollusk wrote:
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flying_mollusk wrote:
What’s an example of right deal?


Example of the right deal is a King’s ransom.

Suggs needs his own tier and is closest to King’s ransom. Suggs is a good to great fit next to Franz and Paolo.


Suggs is definitely kings ransom for me.

Suggs this year, his "incredible leap year" is 12 ppg, with a nicely increased 39% from 3. But that isnt Kings Ransom type of stats. as a shooting guard, he is ranked #111. Grayson Allen who many people want here is putting up more ppg as the 3rd-4th option in Phoenix. Im not saying make a trade just to get rid of him, and I did say that I had him higher than Cole and WCJ. But he isnt as valuable to me as Franz yet.
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Post#1167 » by pepe1991 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:59 pm

tiderulz wrote:
flying_mollusk wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Example of the right deal is a King’s ransom.

Suggs needs his own tier and is closest to King’s ransom. Suggs is a good to great fit next to Franz and Paolo.


Suggs is definitely kings ransom for me.

Suggs this year, his "incredible leap year" is 12 ppg, with a nicely increased 39% from 3. But that isnt Kings Ransom type of stats. as a shooting guard, he is ranked #111. Grayson Allen who many people want here is putting up more ppg as the 3rd-4th option in Phoenix. Im not saying make a trade
just to get rid of him, and I did say that I had him higher than Cole and WCJ. But he isnt as valuable to me as Franz yet.


Suggs shooting improved. But it's pretty much spot up shooting, mostly off catch, while being wide open.

He shoots 36% on wide open jumpshot ( make 61% of all his made 3s) and 42% on open 3s ( make 32%) of all his 3s.
Basically, he is only makes 3s when he is very open. Matter of fact, whole season long he only made 7 contested threes.


Among 109 mades, 81 were made without any dribble taken. (74%). Additional 12 with 1 or 2 dribbles.

This isn't bad thing, you want players who don't overcomplicate things, but having two players with same skillset, who aren't doing much off ball , nor are potent scorers nor are advanced playmakers, is simply overkill.
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Post#1168 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:16 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
flying_mollusk wrote:
Suggs is definitely kings ransom for me.

Suggs this year, his "incredible leap year" is 12 ppg, with a nicely increased 39% from 3. But that isnt Kings Ransom type of stats. as a shooting guard, he is ranked #111. Grayson Allen who many people want here is putting up more ppg as the 3rd-4th option in Phoenix. Im not saying make a trade
just to get rid of him, and I did say that I had him higher than Cole and WCJ. But he isnt as valuable to me as Franz yet.


Suggs shooting improved. But it's pretty much spot up shooting, mostly off catch, while being wide open.

He shoots 36% on wide open jumpshot ( make 61% of all his made 3s) and 42% on open 3s ( make 32%) of all his 3s.
Basically, he is only makes 3s when he is very open. Matter of fact, whole season long he only made 7 contested threes.


Among 109 mades, 81 were made without any dribble taken. (74%). Additional 12 with 1 or 2 dribbles.

This isn't bad thing, you want players who don't overcomplicate things, but having two players with same skillset, who aren't doing much off ball , nor are potent scorers nor are advanced playmakers, is simply overkill.


But isn't that part of the plan? Like if Black or Suggs or anyone is "open" then they shoot. If they aren't open, then in theory Paolo or Franz are likely able to get a favorable high percentage shot.

Like I am one of "the guys" saying lacking a 3rd option on offense is costing us a lot of games. Yet having this duplicity in skill set helps and doesn't hurt.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#1169 » by KillMonger » Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:17 pm

tiderulz wrote:
flying_mollusk wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Example of the right deal is a King’s ransom.

Suggs needs his own tier and is closest to King’s ransom. Suggs is a good to great fit next to Franz and Paolo.


Suggs is definitely kings ransom for me.

Suggs this year, his "incredible leap year" is 12 ppg, with a nicely increased 39% from 3. But that isnt Kings Ransom type of stats. as a shooting guard, he is ranked #111. Grayson Allen who many people want here is putting up more ppg as the 3rd-4th option in Phoenix. Im not saying make a trade just to get rid of him, and I did say that I had him higher than Cole and WCJ. But he isnt as valuable to me as Franz yet.

agreed, Suggs to me is a winning player and someone who i value high so it would have to be the right deal for me to agree otherwise i'm hanging up the phone....for me he's not on the same level value wise compared to franz, however it would still be expensive to get him off this team just not a king's ransom
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Post#1170 » by eyriq » Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:26 pm

KillMonger wrote:For me as of now.....

Untouchable- Paolo Banchero
King's Ransom- Franz wagner
Right Deal-Jalen Suggs/Wendell Carter/Cole Anthony
Open Mind-Jonathan Isaac/Black/Howard/Moe/Goga/Caleb
Open Season- Joe ingles/Gary Harris/Markelle Fultz/Chuma


Nice, I like this. Mine is

Untouchable- Paolo/Franz
King's Ransom- Suggs/Black
Right Deal- Moe/Cole/Jett
Open Mind- Isaac/WCJ/Goga/Caleb/Ingles
Open Season- Harris/Fultz/Chuma
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Post#1171 » by bigdogdylan5 » Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:34 pm

So now we’re complaining Suggs only hits open 3s. **** I will take the progress because we need guys to just hit shots with Paolo and Franz getting the attention they are getting. Suggs is also 22, he is not a finished project and his improvement trajectory is encouraging. I am only giving him up for a top 25 nba player in league that is a guard. Put him in whatever tier that doesn’t really matter…
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Post#1172 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:49 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:So now we’re complaining Suggs only hits open 3s. **** I will take the progress because we need guys to just hit shots with Paolo and Franz getting the attention they are getting. Suggs is also 22, he is not a finished project and his improvement trajectory is encouraging. I am only giving him up for a top 25 nba player in league that is a guard. Put him in whatever tier that doesn’t really matter…


and 1. I do not get it. Suggs is literally the "G" commando for us doing whatever we ask of him + best guard defender night in night out.

While not irreplaceable. Getting rid of your "best guard" when the talent behind him is either still cooking or probably on their last contract is a yikes.
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Post#1173 » by Residual-Heat » Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:54 pm

tiderulz wrote:
flying_mollusk wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Example of the right deal is a King’s ransom.

Suggs needs his own tier and is closest to King’s ransom. Suggs is a good to great fit next to Franz and Paolo.


Suggs is definitely kings ransom for me.

Suggs this year, his "incredible leap year" is 12 ppg, with a nicely increased 39% from 3. But that isnt Kings Ransom type of stats. as a shooting guard, he is ranked #111. Grayson Allen who many people want here is putting up more ppg as the 3rd-4th option in Phoenix. Im not saying make a trade just to get rid of him, and I did say that I had him higher than Cole and WCJ. But he isnt as valuable to me as Franz yet.

Allen only averages more points than Suggs because he plays more minutes. Per 36 Suggs averages more.
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Post#1174 » by AaronB » Wed Feb 28, 2024 2:56 pm

Suggs may not have it offensively every night, but he brings it defensively every night.

Franz is a better player who takes some games off.

I would put Suggs and Franz at the same value, but I have always had Suggs at a very high value.
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Post#1175 » by tiderulz » Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:08 pm

Residual-Heat wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
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Suggs is definitely kings ransom for me.

Suggs this year, his "incredible leap year" is 12 ppg, with a nicely increased 39% from 3. But that isnt Kings Ransom type of stats. as a shooting guard, he is ranked #111. Grayson Allen who many people want here is putting up more ppg as the 3rd-4th option in Phoenix. Im not saying make a trade just to get rid of him, and I did say that I had him higher than Cole and WCJ. But he isnt as valuable to me as Franz yet.

Allen only averages more points than Suggs because he plays more minutes. Per 36 Suggs averages more.

ok, so let move him up to say 95. happy?
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Post#1176 » by eyriq » Wed Feb 28, 2024 3:26 pm

Pretty much Paolo, Franz, Suggs, and AB are who I've identified as the core.

Cole and Moe have the most clear cut roles outside of the core.

Through the draft, trades, free agency, and internal promotions I'm looking to fill the following roles.

Starting PG
Starting Center
Backup SG
Backup SF
Backup PF

I think the PG job is AB's to lose.
I think the backup SG job is Jett's to lose.


I think the rest should be open for auditions.

Caleb is getting a fair shot at a rotation spot. WCJ is probably the favorite to start at center, and blocking Goga. JI has the backup PF job on lockdown, just needs to stay healthy. Jingles is blocking Caleb.
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Post#1177 » by Residual-Heat » Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:02 pm

tiderulz wrote:
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tiderulz wrote:Suggs this year, his "incredible leap year" is 12 ppg, with a nicely increased 39% from 3. But that isnt Kings Ransom type of stats. as a shooting guard, he is ranked #111. Grayson Allen who many people want here is putting up more ppg as the 3rd-4th option in Phoenix. Im not saying make a trade just to get rid of him, and I did say that I had him higher than Cole and WCJ. But he isnt as valuable to me as Franz yet.

Allen only averages more points than Suggs because he plays more minutes. Per 36 Suggs averages more.

ok, so let move him up to say 95. happy?

im just pointing out that he scores at a higher rate than Allen. I am happy with Suggs, 16.6 pts per 36 isnt bad. Considering he's 22 and many here were calling him a bust a few months ago, i'm very happy with where he's at. I also still think he has a lot of untapped potential.
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Post#1178 » by zaymon » Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:16 pm

I like Suggs but he is definetly not in Franz tier. I would trade package around Suggs for Booker, but i would hesitate with Franz.
Thing is we have Black, Harris or even possibly Howard to start at the 2, while we cant replace Wagner.
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !
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Post#1179 » by basketballRob » Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:18 pm

I think I prefer a player like Clarkson over the younger players like Monk. I think a vet would help improve our younger players.

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Post#1180 » by Knightro » Wed Feb 28, 2024 4:37 pm

AaronB wrote:Suggs may not have it offensively every night, but he brings it defensively every night.

Franz is a better player who takes some games off.


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