Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Edition)

[eyriq]

Ok, I found this from Larry:

Larry Coon

If a player retires with guaranteed salary left on his contract, he still gets paid — but if he’s paid, he’s expected to report. The team & player usually work this out by agreeing to a buy-out — he’s paid less money, and doesn’t have to report. For example, Rasheed Wallace did this with Boston, and there are many other examples.

Players can also voluntarily, formally retire by filing paperwork with the league, in which case their contract is cancelled and the player doesn’t get paid. Jason Williams did this with the Clippers in 2008.

The other possibility is that the player is forced to retire for medical reasons. He is still owed his money (often paid by insurance), but after a waiting period the team is allowed to apply to have his salary taken off their cap.

So if MWP retires he will either get a buyout which hits the cap or fills out the paperwork and no pay or cap hit.

Very nice! Thanks for clearing this up.

[Potterman]

So is this a done deal yet or are we all just chillin waiting for news?

[JohnWeisbrod]

guys this just came to me.

The lakers have to make that trade with Orlando just because Orlando is willing to trade no matter what. Orlando Magic has alot of leverage on this trade due to the fact that they can hand the reigns to NY NETS if Magic has no other trading partner. The Lakers understanding this, I am sure they do not want another Powerhouse to compete for the championship. The Lakers will due everything they can to make this trade happen or else the league is in for another powerhouse creation under NYNETS.

Thats the facts.

Why do the Lakers "have to make that trade"?

Yes, Dwight is better than Bynum, but Bynum is a comparable talent and from all accounts the Lakers would have to take back numerous bad contracts in a Dwight trade. As currently constituted a team of Nash/Kobe/MWP/Gasol/Bynum can win the west.

[woosah]

guys this just came to me.

The lakers have to make that trade with Orlando just because Orlando is willing to trade no matter what. Orlando Magic has alot of leverage on this trade due to the fact that they can hand the reigns to NY NETS if Magic has no other trading partner. The Lakers understanding this, I am sure they do not want another Powerhouse to compete for the championship. The Lakers will due everything they can to make this trade happen or else the league is in for another powerhouse creation under NYNETS.

Thats the facts.

Why do the Lakers "have to make that trade"?

Yes, Dwight is better than Bynum, but Bynum is a comparable talent and from all accounts the Lakers would have to take back numerous bad contracts in a Dwight trade. As currently constituted a team of Nash/Kobe/MWP/Gasol/Bynum can win the west.

neither. No one really "have to due" any of the reported trades. Both benefit if they work something out though.

[OrlandO]

Lets go BYNUM! *Clap* *Clap* *Clap*

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbItcg7kcEw[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM1_FhfYXyE[/youtube]

[MoMM]

Nicolas Batum has agreed to a four-year, $45 million offer sheet with the Wolves.

Bonuses could push the deal to $50 million.

Batum: 23 years old,
30.4mpg, .451% fg, .391% 3pt, .836% FT, 1.4orpg 3.2drpg 4.6rpg 1.4apg 1.0spg 1.0bpg 1.5to 1.8fouls 13.9ppg

Ryno: 24 years old,
32.2mpg, .439% fg, .393% 3pt, .877% FT , 3.7orpg 4.0drpg 7.7rpg 0.9apg 0.8spg 0.4bpg 0.9to 2.4fouls 16.1ppg

Will Ryan get a +11M offer?

[magicman123]

Ok, I found this from Larry:

Larry Coon

If a player retires with guaranteed salary left on his contract, he still gets paid — but if he’s paid, he’s expected to report. The team & player usually work this out by agreeing to a buy-out — he’s paid less money, and doesn’t have to report. For example, Rasheed Wallace did this with Boston, and there are many other examples.

Players can also voluntarily, formally retire by filing paperwork with the league, in which case their contract is cancelled and the player doesn’t get paid. Jason Williams did this with the Clippers in 2008.

The other possibility is that the player is forced to retire for medical reasons. He is still owed his money (often paid by insurance), but after a waiting period the team is allowed to apply to have his salary taken off their cap.

So if MWP retires he will either get a buyout which hits the cap or fills out the paperwork and no pay or cap hit.

Very nice! Thanks for clearing this up.

confused yet?

Even if Wallace walks away from the final two years of his contract, that money still counts against the Celtics’ salary cap unless they reach a settlement.

The veteran forward was due more than $13 million over the next two years

[rcklsscognition]

Bynum vs. Howard would be so much more epic if a trade went down. ------>Ryan due 12 a year if basing things off Batum.

[MoMM]

Bynum vs. Howard would be so much more epic if a trade went down. ------>Ryan due 12 a year if basing things off Batum.

So bye bye Ryan, thats too much money.

[BelgianMagic]

Don't think I've seen this article posted yet. Article by SI's Sam Amick

Says we've had recent talks with LA, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... =nba_t2_a3

[rshepard1985]

Ok guys If Bynum is traded here what do think his numbers would be as a 1st option?

If we were to get Bynum I think you'd see a pretty impressive player. Bynum was the 2nd option on some nights and a forgetten piece on others.

He'll be the #1 option here and its not even close. I'd predict 24 Pts, 11 Rebs, 3 asts, and 2 blks.

He's a guy who I feel like his offensive touches effects his defensive activity. I suspect he'd perform better on the defensive end for us than LA.

Just my 2 cents

[Swiftraven]

Ok, I found this from Larry:

Larry Coon

If a player retires with guaranteed salary left on his contract, he still gets paid — but if he’s paid, he’s expected to report. The team & player usually work this out by agreeing to a buy-out — he’s paid less money, and doesn’t have to report. For example, Rasheed Wallace did this with Boston, and there are many other examples.

Players can also voluntarily, formally retire by filing paperwork with the league, in which case their contract is cancelled and the player doesn’t get paid. Jason Williams did this with the Clippers in 2008.

The other possibility is that the player is forced to retire for medical reasons. He is still owed his money (often paid by insurance), but after a waiting period the team is allowed to apply to have his salary taken off their cap.

So if MWP retires he will either get a buyout which hits the cap or fills out the paperwork and no pay or cap hit.

confused yet?

Even if Wallace walks away from the final two years of his contract, that money still counts against the Celtics’ salary cap unless they reach a settlement.

The veteran forward was due more than $13 million over the next two years

Right, so if he didnt voluntarily fill out the paperwork and we didnt want to force him to play, we would buy him out. The buy out money goes against the cap for the buyout year.

[SolidSnake008]

Nicolas Batum has agreed to a four-year, $45 million offer sheet with the Wolves.

Bonuses could push the deal to $50 million.

Batum: 23 years old,
30.4mpg, .451% fg, .391% 3pt, .836% FT, 1.4orpg 3.2drpg 4.6rpg 1.4apg 1.0spg 1.0bpg 1.5to 1.8fouls 13.9ppg

Ryno: 24 years old,
32.2mpg, .439% fg, .393% 3pt, .877% FT , 3.7orpg 4.0drpg 7.7rpg 0.9apg 0.8spg 0.4bpg 0.9to 2.4fouls 16.1ppg

Will Ryan get a +11M offer?

umm........yeah......goodbye Ryno

[TDJacksonville]

Nicolas Batum has agreed to a four-year, $45 million offer sheet with the Wolves.

Bonuses could push the deal to $50 million.

Batum: 23 years old,
30.4mpg, .451% fg, .391% 3pt, .836% FT, 1.4orpg 3.2drpg 4.6rpg 1.4apg 1.0spg 1.0bpg 1.5to 1.8fouls 13.9ppg

Ryno: 24 years old,
32.2mpg, .439% fg, .393% 3pt, .877% FT , 3.7orpg 4.0drpg 7.7rpg 0.9apg 0.8spg 0.4bpg 0.9to 2.4fouls 16.1ppg

Will Ryan get a +11M offer?

umm........yeah......goodbye Ryno

hopefully we can get a S&T with him

[JazzItUp13]

Lets go BYNUM! *Clap* *Clap* *Clap*

lol. ...NICCCCCEEEEEEEE-*fab voice*

this one makes me chuckle everytime...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_8oI4LK3us

[Blue_and_Whte]

Nicolas Batum has agreed to a four-year, $45 million offer sheet with the Wolves.

Bonuses could push the deal to $50 million.

Batum: 23 years old,
30.4mpg, .451% fg, .391% 3pt, .836% FT, 1.4orpg 3.2drpg 4.6rpg 1.4apg 1.0spg 1.0bpg 1.5to 1.8fouls 13.9ppg

Ryno: 24 years old,
32.2mpg, .439% fg, .393% 3pt, .877% FT , 3.7orpg 4.0drpg 7.7rpg 0.9apg 0.8spg 0.4bpg 0.9to 2.4fouls 16.1ppg

Will Ryan get a +11M offer?

God I hope we dont sign a back up pf to $11 million a year

[SolidSnake008]

Lets go BYNUM! *Clap* *Clap* *Clap*

lol. ...NICCCCCEEEEEEEE-*fab voice*

this one makes me chuckle everytime...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_8oI4LK3us

wow man.....that kinda makes me care a lot less about Dwight and everything he's about....man...that was a somewhat recent commercial.....my how things have changed

[woosah]

Don't think I've seen this article posted yet. Article by SI's Sam Amick

Says we've had recent talks with LA, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... =nba_t2_a3

Dallas? interesting.

[Nyce_1]

this one makes me chuckle everytime...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_8oI4LK3us

Man **** this clown. That video got me mad.

[eyriq]

Don't think I've seen this article posted yet. Article by SI's Sam Amick

Says we've had recent talks with LA, Houston, Dallas, Atlanta

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... =nba_t2_a3

Good link. The idea of extending talks till Dec 15 makes sense. I really don't see the big problem with trading Humphries to a third team, dude is a very good PF, a solid starter with an outside shot at an all star game or two if partnered with a championship caliber core.

Lopez though...