Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread

[Skybox]

So still nothing happened after yesterday? Nothing since then has come through the grapevine like picking up somebody off waivers or whatever? This is BULL!!!

So, you would rather make a bad trade for the only reason to make a trade or try to sign someone in a lateral move. Jesus, this ain't NBA2k.

You just have that really cool NBA2K reference in your pocket - dying to apply it to anything, whether it makes sense or not?

Are all trades bad trades? Are lateral value moves for better fitting talent around your good players bad trades?

[BadMofoPimp]

Well. You got me there...I'm not actually a member of the coaching staff or even a Scout. We're kind of moving the goalposts here...I am all for stashing and developing Howard & Black at the correct pace - what is frustrating and inexcusable is riding out the season with expensive, expirings starting on a team that could be really good with some relatively minor tweaks. If we had added a Brogdon or even Tyus Jones to contribute TODAY...there would still be a clear path for Black and Jett to have their day on the same timeline.

Sure...we can do it this summer or next year or the year after. But why delay progress. Don't tell me that Paolo & Franz arent ready and wouldn't benefit in THEIR OWN development (which is a far higher priority than any other projects we have).

I just don't think management plays NBA2k like arm-chair GM's.

Players don't magically develop if they cannot prove themselves as competent in practice which is why Vets play over youngsters. They have to earn their place on the team. If they cannot do it in practice, then I don't want to watch them in games.

Make up your mind. Play them or don't play them? Is your 2K reference the idea that trades can't actually happen whether a need exists or not? whether a team is perfectly positioned with expiring salaries, extra picks, and glaring needs?

I never said anything about magically "developing" players or not having them earn their playing time. AB is clearly not ready yet. Fultz sucks...where's the 2K reference in replacing him while we wait for AB to catch up enough to grab the role

The premise is that the PG's available whose teams must have demanded a fortune to trade for them which would have been bad trades. This is why none of them got traded by any team out there. Are you stating that the Magic should have mortgaged their future with a bad trade only so you can get the player you want? At least in NBA2k, trades are easier to make.

The premise our GM is making is to build towards the future as opposed to trying to win now aka Henny's mistakes.

[zaymon]

I think we can agree that price was too high becouse no other team traded aswell ? If the problem was only us not wanting to do the move players like Jones, Brogdon, Murray would be on another team right now. Stupid or desperate teams dont have their picks already.

[BadMofoPimp]

Gotta sign this guy! Just give him his own toilet.

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[pepe1991]

I think we can agree that price was too high becouse no other team traded aswell ? If the problem was only us not wanting to do the move players like Jones, Brogdon, Murray would be on another team right now. Stupid or desperate teams dont have their picks already.

I don't think that's a case at all.

If you look at landscape of NBA, vast majority of serious playoff teams have established PGs who are all allstars or could be allstars.
Teams that suck like Spurs or Pistons either have project PGs or can wait free agency to dump boat of money on player like Murray ( execlly how Blazers got Brogdon in first place, ditto to Vleet).

We are in unique position. We are not terrible nba team but we have easly top 5 worst starting PG in nba.

Pistons were singing "first round pick for Bojan" song for 2 yeras, but it never happened, so they ended up taking second round pick, because nobody was willing to give them first round pick. I'm sure Wizards would ended up giving Jones up if anybody offered them anything. They have no funcional reason for keeping him ( Much like we have non for keeping Fultz, difference being we actually play for something ).

Jones is unrestricted FA, is 27 so it makes no sense for Wizards to resign him. Why wouldn't they give him up , if you know he will be gone in 2 months regardless?

And this is execlly where Fultz situation becomes outrageus. Even entertaining idea of him being resigned to maintain "continuity" is sheer pain.



We have seen way better players than Jones being traded for nothing .

[The-Stallion70]

So still nothing happened after yesterday? Nothing since then has come through the grapevine like picking up somebody off waivers or whatever? This is BULL!!!

So, you would rather make a bad trade for the only reason to make a trade or try to sign someone in a lateral move. Jesus, this ain't NBA2k.

No **** I wanted a good trade why would I want a bad trade for a lateral move? You like to pick fights on here so I'll give you one lameduck, McDermott, Hield, and Bojan were all players who could help us but we stood pat for zero reason with our zero spacing roster when we have two guys who draw double teams.

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[pepe1991]

Again, this is stage of nba season where you can exchange other team's garbage (or simply not needed for tanking purpose) for something valuable , even if nothing but a rental .
We had $35M of expiring money to offer.
We could take as much salary back and improve with latheral moves that have no long lasting impact. Like, simply flipping Okeke for Alec Burks or Buddy Hield for Gary Harris OR literally adding both Bojan AND Alec for Gary Harris and Okeke ( since we are below salary cap).

Long term -zero conseuences. Short term- way better team.


It's just pure nonsense to do nothing. Laziness and poor excuses.
"But they are good friends". Good. as far as i care, they can have group bukkake in offseason from April to October every day. But professional sports are about results, not about giving hand to your best buddy.

[Skybox]

So still nothing happened after yesterday? Nothing since then has come through the grapevine like picking up somebody off waivers or whatever? This is BULL!!!

So, you would rather make a bad trade for the only reason to make a trade or try to sign someone in a lateral move. Jesus, this ain't NBA2k.

No **** I wanted a good trade why would I want a bad trade for a lateral move? You like to pick fights on here so I'll give you one lameduck, McDermott, Hield, and Bojan were all players who could help us but we stood pat for zero reason with our zero spacing roster when we have two guys who draw double teams.

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Nearly every player that moved could have helped us and nobody went for a high price...we could go back, trade by trade and outbid them (with hindsight) easily...that leads me to think Weltman's not trying or not respected enough to get a call back for another shot before calling it in to the league office.

[eyriq]

I wouldn't be surprised if WePark view Fultz as close in value to Dinwiddie/Schroeder/Tyus/Brogdon, and Harris as close in value to Bodanovic/Hield/McDermott.

As they said on the pod squad today, the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Of course, they'd be very wrong in this case. Fultz and Harris are garbage.

But in reality, these were marginal moves that probably wouldn't make us significantly better.

I'm already over it. I'll be rooting for a path to minutes to develop for AB, for Suggs to increase his MPG, for JI to hit 20+MPG on the reg, for Franz and Paolo to DOMINATE, and for the team to go 24-6 the rest of the way.

Honestly, I let the idea of upgrading Fultz and Harris cloud my mind, I should always have been focused on the objective that AB gets rotation minutes. Upgrading Fultz and Harris would only have limited his chances. This has been the best possible outcome as far as AB and Jett are concerned.

My narrative game is aligned once again and I will not allow knightro to lead me astray any more.

[thelead]

If this kid gets paired with Wemby, watch out:

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He was a possible late lottery/mid round target a month or so ago but he is shooting up the boards.

[byeganyo]

Again, this is stage of nba season where you can exchange other team's garbage (or simply not needed for tanking purpose) for something valuable , even if nothing but a rental .
We had $35M of expiring money to offer.
We could take as much salary back and improve with latheral moves that have no long lasting impact. Like, simply flipping Okeke for Alec Burks or Buddy Hield for Gary Harris OR literally adding both Bojan AND Alec for Gary Harris and Okeke ( since we are below salary cap).

Long term -zero conseuences. Short term- way better team.


It's just pure nonsense to do nothing

I sincerely fail to understand why, why no moves were made when a/ its obvious the team is on the brink of getting into playoffs so overall we are average or slightly above average nba team b/ yet we are almost last in several categories and c/ we have resources to make a trade at the time everyone is making trades. we can joke that its laziness, but i guess even if you are lazy you get some calls and have to answer them.

[fendilim]

I think we can agree that price was too high becouse no other team traded aswell ? If the problem was only us not wanting to do the move players like Jones, Brogdon, Murray would be on another team right now. Stupid or desperate teams dont have their picks already.

I agree.

Price was too high for Tyus, especially since we can preserve our assets for a future trade and still sign him in the offseason with our cap space.

Why do something other teams weren’t even willing to do? We were in similar situation with Evan and Tross before. We were coveting a 1st rounder for Evan and Tross (separately) during their expiring year, and we got none.

That’s what the market dictates, why do otherwise and overpay? Lol

[fendilim]

Again, this is stage of nba season where you can exchange other team's garbage (or simply not needed for tanking purpose) for something valuable , even if nothing but a rental .
We had $35M of expiring money to offer.
We could take as much salary back and improve with latheral moves that have no long lasting impact. Like, simply flipping Okeke for Alec Burks or Buddy Hield for Gary Harris OR literally adding both Bojan AND Alec for Gary Harris and Okeke ( since we are below salary cap).

Long term -zero conseuences. Short term- way better team.


It's just pure nonsense to do nothing. Laziness and poor excuses.
"But they are good friends". Good. as far as i care, they can have group bukkake in offseason from April to October every day. But professional sports are about results, not about giving hand to your best buddy.

Not really purely expiring deals as Grimes and several second rounders were also involved.

[orlando_joe]

Again, this is stage of nba season where you can exchange other team's garbage (or simply not needed for tanking purpose) for something valuable , even if nothing but a rental .
We had $35M of expiring money to offer.
We could take as much salary back and improve with latheral moves that have no long lasting impact. Like, simply flipping Okeke for Alec Burks or Buddy Hield for Gary Harris OR literally adding both Bojan AND Alec for Gary Harris and Okeke ( since we are below salary cap).

Long term -zero conseuences. Short term- way better team.


It's just pure nonsense to do nothing. Laziness and poor excuses.
"But they are good friends". Good. as far as i care, they can have group bukkake in offseason from April to October every day. But professional sports are about results, not about giving hand to your best buddy.

Not really purely expiring deals as Grimes and several second rounders were also involved.

grimes who on trade board thought of as #1 best asset to change hands ..he just skips over that...lol

[BadMofoPimp]

So still nothing happened after yesterday? Nothing since then has come through the grapevine like picking up somebody off waivers or whatever? This is BULL!!!

So, you would rather make a bad trade for the only reason to make a trade or try to sign someone in a lateral move. Jesus, this ain't NBA2k.

No **** I wanted a good trade why would I want a bad trade for a lateral move? You like to pick fights on here so I'll give you one lameduck, McDermott, Hield, and Bojan were all players who could help us but we stood pat for zero reason with our zero spacing roster when we have two guys who draw double teams.

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If there are Zero good trades available where the Magic get the short end of the stick, what do you expect Management to do?

[KillMonger]

Obviously, he must be so bad that he is in the G-League this season.

maybe, but hey i guess we'll never know

We get this every single year some draft pick doesn't get the playing time some fans think they deserve. If they haven't earned their playing time on a playoff bound team, then they shouldn't be played. It truly is that simple.

My problem with this is that it's not that simple we're seeing the opposite play out in real time with ab/goga..... There is no one on this forum that will say that they haven't earned minutes..... And yet.... DNPs..... I glean what you're saying but I don't think it's that black and white.... If people would just keep it real, it's politics and that's cool, but just admit that's what it is..... Don't piss on my head and call it rain

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[SOUL]

I think it's very debatable Goga "deserves" minutes over WCJ and Moe, they all have their strengths and weaknesses.

AB deserves to play when other guys are struggling too, esp when Fultz doesn't have it or ingles or something

[KillMonger]

Funniest thing, the way Dell is playing right now made me wonder if we would be better with vuc instead, legit made me laugh..... Vuc wouldn't miss point blank layups.... Vuc is getting at least 10 boards a game... Wouldn't get bullied by smaller centers.... Problem is he isn't switchable... He'd be better at the things you expect to get from a true center, then again maybe that's obvious because Dell isn't a true center anyway

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[KillMonger]

I think it's very debatable Goga "deserves" minutes over WCJ and Moe, they all have their strengths and weaknesses.

AB deserves to play when other guys are struggling too, esp when Fultz doesn't have it or ingles or something

No one is saying "deserves" or "over" anything... The argument has been if you earn minutes you will play.... And I'm just saying that isn't the case at all and there is more to it than that

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[BadMofoPimp]

maybe, but hey i guess we'll never know

We get this every single year some draft pick doesn't get the playing time some fans think they deserve. If they haven't earned their playing time on a playoff bound team, then they shouldn't be played. It truly is that simple.

My problem with this is that it's not that simple we're seeing the opposite play out in real time with ab/goga..... There is no one on this forum that will say that they haven't earned minutes..... And yet.... DNPs..... I glean what you're saying but I don't think it's that black and white.... If people would just keep it real, it's politics and that's cool, but just admit that's what it is..... Don't piss on my head and call it rain

Sent from the phone in my hands

I get it. You, as a fan, wants to see your favorite players play, whereas the Coach plays the players who earned their playing time. Maybe, you should get a pass to watch practice and witness what coaches witness where those players get outperformed by the players who get the playing time. I trust the coaches decision over arm-chair GM's and I like to be an Arm-Chair GM, but am proven wrong all the time.

At least those who complain about Jett's playing time are nowhere near as bad as those who demanded Vooch to be traded so the superstar Bamba be gifted minutes without earning them. On Realgm, we get thousands of posts every year by arm-chair GM's who never witnessed a single practice thinking they know more than the coaches and who deserves to play. In the time Jett has played, I personally thought he looked terrible, which is probably why he is in the G-League to learn how to play NBA ball.