Official Speculation Thread (Pt XVI, Mods Close)

[arkknight1988]

this is good to know if true

There is a sense that the Magic may have gotten assurances that Dwight wouldn’t hose the team and walk away. It’s been suggested that if he indeed decides to take his talent elsewhere. Dwight would try and get the Magic a sign and trade deal, even though there is no benefit in it for Howard except that it opens the field of possible teams and would help the acquiring team move off some salary to add around Dwight.

[singal3]

this is good to know if true

There is a sense that the Magic may have gotten assurances that Dwight wouldn’t hose the team and walk away. It’s been suggested that if he indeed decides to take his talent elsewhere. Dwight would try and get the Magic a sign and trade deal, even though there is no benefit in it for Howard except that it opens the field of possible teams and would help the acquiring team move off some salary to add around Dwight.

Huh? There offering Farmar, Okur, and a conditional first round pick right now? What are they gonna offer over the summer thats not more worthless than this offer? This is the D12 PR machine at work.

[ZeusIsLoose]

A good Hoopsworld article with alot about the magic and how BBD is sensitive to the booing at home games!! A good read, also getting into the Bulls trade and lack of a decent offer for Dwight saying that NJ are offering Okur/Farmar and a conditional 1st for Dwight, looks as if we will roll the dice


http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-no-cha ... in-chicago

Yikes

This is so sad. Otis made a HUGE mistake saying Dwight requested a trade. If he would have kept his mouth shut, no one would know and there would be better deals and actually someone might make a deal to give us some help for Howard. now everyone knows we have no leverage whatsoever, and are taking advantage of it. Its the Magic vs. the NBA and this wont end well for the Magic im afraid.

[eyriq]

A good Hoopsworld article with alot about the magic and how BBD is sensitive to the booing at home games!! A good read, also getting into the Bulls trade and lack of a decent offer for Dwight saying that NJ are offering Okur/Farmar and a conditional 1st for Dwight, looks as if we will roll the dice


http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-no-cha ... in-chicago

Yeah, good read. Interesting to hear early feed back on how the new CBA has effected the value of assets. Cap space isn't worth what it used to be, picks are more valuable than ever. Evan Dunlap over at Orlando Pinestiped Post did a breakdown of our player's value, and outside of Anderson and Redick, our two best players, he doesn't find much a team would actively look to try for.

I'll only be disappointed if we don't make a move for an improved bench. Otherwise, anything more will be a pleasant surprise.

[glennathan]

A good Hoopsworld article with alot about the magic and how BBD is sensitive to the booing at home games!! A good read, also getting into the Bulls trade and lack of a decent offer for Dwight saying that NJ are offering Okur/Farmar and a conditional 1st for Dwight, looks as if we will roll the dice


http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-no-cha ... in-chicago

Yikes

Same thing I said. That is just plain awful

[Ahmadab]

How about we take the Chicago offer and flip Boozer for Ellis since they need a bigman so bad ?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7s4vog4

With Charlotte's protected and Chicago's unprotected 2012 picks coming our way and the rights to Nikola Mirotic.

Then we can draft a backup C in the draft (i'm thinking Fab Melo) and maybe Kendall Marshall at point, or would he be too high ?


Nelson/Marshall
Ellis/Redick
Deng/Mirotic
Ryan/Baby
Asik/Melo

Not the best scenario, but we would still be competitive all while having a nice young team to watch develop.

[BadMofoPimp]

There is a Zero chance that Warriors want Boozer unless it is Boozer for Beidrins.

[RickB-Orlando]

this is good to know if true

There is a sense that the Magic may have gotten assurances that Dwight wouldn’t hose the team and walk away. It’s been suggested that if he indeed decides to take his talent elsewhere. Dwight would try and get the Magic a sign and trade deal, even though there is no benefit in it for Howard except that it opens the field of possible teams and would help the acquiring team move off some salary to add around Dwight.

Huh? There offering Farmar, Okur, and a conditional first round pick right now? What are they gonna offer over the summer thats not more worthless than this offer? This is the D12 PR machine at work.

Probably, but all Dwight has to do is come to an agreement with ownership that he won't opt out if they will agree to trade him after the season, if he still wants a trade.

In that case, the Magic could make a draft night deal - or any time leading up to training camp - to send Dwight to one of his teams of choice for a decent (hopefully) return.

It's a bit of a win-win if that happens. The Magic get some return for Dwight, and he gets to resign on a max deal without the risk of losing money in the fifth and final year.

[BadMofoPimp]

A good Hoopsworld article with alot about the magic and how BBD is sensitive to the booing at home games!! A good read, also getting into the Bulls trade and lack of a decent offer for Dwight saying that NJ are offering Okur/Farmar and a conditional 1st for Dwight, looks as if we will roll the dice


http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-no-cha ... in-chicago

Yikes

Same thing I said. That is just plain awful

I take only the good from this article in that Dwight is staying. Now, lets get back to what is important for the rest of the season. Magic Basketball. They recently beat Bulls and Pacer while losing close to the Thunder.

[Idunkonyou2]

The Magic aren't trading Howard unless they get a ton back. The Magic currently have the 5th best record in the NBA. You don't go out and trade your best player or gut your team when you are that good. Not in this league. Not in any league.

I do find it amusing though when fans on this board will toot a horrific team as being a better team than what Howard has now just because Howard is added.

[Driguez]

I thought offers would get better by trade deadline. Lulz. IMO he stays and we do this dance all over again 3 months from now.

[Jordan45822]

How about we take the Chicago offer and flip Boozer for Ellis since they need a bigman so bad ?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7s4vog4

With Charlotte's protected and Chicago's unprotected 2012 picks coming our way and the rights to Nikola Mirotic.

Then we can draft a backup C in the draft (i'm thinking Fab Melo) and maybe Kendall Marshall at point, or would he be too high ?


Nelson/Marshall
Ellis/Redick
Deng/Mirotic
Ryan/Baby
Asik/Melo

Not the best scenario, but we would still be competitive all while having a nice young team to watch develop.

Warriors would trade Ellis for Deng or Noah according to past reports, but there is no chance they Boozer when they have Lee.

[RickB-Orlando]

The Magic aren't trading Howard unless they get a ton back. The Magic currently have the 5th best record in the NBA. You don't go out and trade your best player or gut your team when you are that good. Not in this league. Not in any league.

I do find it amusing though when fans on this board will toot a horrific team as being a better team than what Howard has now just because Howard is added.

It's true that many folks on this board are very down on a team that is having a very good season. the argument most make is the team is built to win in the regular season but not the playoffs.

The counter-argument is just as good in my opinion - a good team can get hot in the playoffs and beat anyone else in a given short series. No, we don't have the same assets as Miami or OKC, and we seem to match up poorly with ATL - but that doesn't mean we can't beat them if the team hits its stride at just the right time.

[singal3]

I thought offers would get better by trade deadline. Lulz. IMO he stays and we do this dance all over again 3 months from now.

This is it. D12 has no reason to S+T after the deadline, he will not benefit one cent from it. Actually, the team he goes to will get hurt by it if anything. D12, the team he goes to are hurt by a S+T. Sure they might give you a token second rounder so D12 feels better about himself and less guilty but this it.

[eyriq]

I've said it over and over again but I'll say it again, Dwight walking is not that far removed on the scale of awfulness from where us trading Dwight would be. An ideal rebuild trade centered around Dwight would allow us to shed some salary and bring back a rookie contract stud and some draft picks, right? The likelihood of getting a franchise player somewhere in that bundle is very, very low, so that in-and-of-itself isn't going to be central to rebuilding a contender, more so giving us cheap options to fill out the rotation or beef up trade packages for other pieces. Accelerating the process of freeing up cap space for free agency is also a mixed bag, as the Lewis signing can demonstrate. Max contract space is not created equal but instead contingent on the makeup of talent on the team and the availability of free agents. So right now sans Dwight and Hedo we could free up max space by '14 and have ~$10-$12 mill as soon as '13. Like with the picks and players we get from trading Dwight, the likelihood of bringing in franchise player talent via this accelerated process is very low, so again the cap space is not central to building a contender.

In all honesty, the best bet for getting that central pillar to building a contender, a franchise player, is via the draft. Dwight walks, we hopefully suck something awful, get into the lottery in '13 and '14 and win top 5 picks both years, let contracts fall off naturally and acquire max contract space by '15, and hopefully start making the playoffs.

Next years starting lineup could very likely be Nelson|JRich|Hedo|Anderson|Fran. Hopefully they suck sufficiently.

[Reverse_Angle]

I take only the good from this article in that Dwight is staying. Now, lets get back to what is important for the rest of the season. Magic Basketball. They recently beat Bulls and Pacer while losing close to the Thunder.

[singal3]

I've said it over and over again but I'll say it again, Dwight walking is not that far removed on the scale of awfulness from where us trading Dwight would be. An ideal rebuild trade centered around Dwight would allow us to shed some salary and bring back a rookie contract stud and some draft picks, right? The likelihood of getting a franchise player somewhere in that bundle is very, very low, so that in-and-of-itself isn't going to be central to rebuilding a contender, more so giving us cheap options to fill out the rotation or beef up trade packages for other pieces. Accelerating the process of freeing up cap space for free agency is also a mixed bag, as the Lewis signing can demonstrate. Max contract space is not created equal but instead contingent on the makeup of talent on the team and the availability of free agents. So right now sans Dwight and Hedo we could free up max space by '14 and have ~$10-$12 mill as soon as '13. Like with the picks and players we get from trading Dwight, the likelihood of bringing in franchise player talent via this accelerated process is very low, so again the cap space is not central to building a contender.

In all honesty, the best bet for getting that central pillar to building a contender, a franchise player, is via the draft. Dwight walks, we hopefully suck something awful, get into the lottery in '13 and '14 and win top 5 picks both years, let contracts fall off naturally and acquire max contract space by '15, and hopefully start making the playoffs.

Next years starting lineup could very likely be Nelson|JRich|Hedo|Anderson|Fran. Hopefully they suck sufficiently.

Or you could trade him, free up cap space, and trade the players you get for picks from other teams and still tank at the same time.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

good discussion with substance guys so far, i enjoyed reading all.

on an unrelated topic, i found this hilarious.

LOL at butt hurt nets fans

Brooklyn Nets ‏ @BK_Nets_Nation
@RGEEZY When is the last time some one has had a trade demand for the whole year and stayed with their team long term?

Tom Foolery ‏ @RGEEZY
@BK_Nets_Nation Kobe Bryant

Brooklyn Nets ‏ @BK_Nets_Nation
@RGEEZY I'm done talking to u if you're gonna be so close minded and biased
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you actually read my and bonanz posts? ... yeesh, you deserve a medal or like 50 Xbox Achievement gamerscore points for even attempting to read those. Kudos to you good sir.

@ Nets fans. They are desperate, I don't blame them.

K for real this time, I'm going to sleep. I have lecture in 3 hours. fml.

I should get one too then!

Here's my take on D-Flight -

He is a good natured kid; but he still is a kid... It's not until you have lived your own life for a good 10+ years until you come to an understanding of who you truly are. Maybe even longer.. Than those opinions change even more once you have a family, children, mortgage, etc... My Dad was the definition of a liberal; and now he spams my inbox with conservative rhetoric to the point where I don't even read then anymore because it's like 5 a day...


The reason I use that to illustrate my point is that we do constantly change and I can see Bonanz and D.J's point; they're both valid. What bothers me is that I think he is being influenced by his entourage, marketing reps and quite possibly his agent; and that my friends has changed him (not for the better imho. Remember that he fired his old agent (which iirc his name was Happy - How ironic is it to dump a guy with a name like Happy and then immediately become unhappy with his situation)then started demanding things that superstars demand (more touches, being a closer, wanting to play GM, etc., etc., etc....)

To me the turning point with Dwight was after he won that first dunk competition. He literally blew up and became the leading vote getter in the all-star game ever since. He lost the next comp to Nate, and took his ball and went home(would not participate in the following.)Since then he has been expecting superstar not just All-Star treatment when he still cannot make his free throws or noticeable improvement of his post play; yet he still wants to be the closer... All of this shows (to me at least)that he has people influencing his decisions as he since then has not been able to make up his mind on whether to stay or go; yet makes demands on everyone else to get better when he does not seem to think that there is any need to make that demand to himself...

Imo because he has all these people telling him how great he is and not willing to call him out on where he should improve; and let's face it he is no Kobe like Lebron is no Kobe (constant desire to improve all facets of his game to become the greatest ever)

At this point; I think the only thing that sways his decision to stay with Orlando is that he IS the man here. If Deron can sell him on being "The Man" and he will be his sidekick; well then he is gone and I for one can say it was nice knowing the old Dwight; not so much this version...

[T-Cat]

It looks like Otis trade before the season involving Dwight sounds pretty good now huh? I tell you people sing your praise when you do something good and ready to throw you under a rug when you do bad!

[eyriq]

I've said it over and over again but I'll say it again, Dwight walking is not that far removed on the scale of awfulness from where us trading Dwight would be. An ideal rebuild trade centered around Dwight would allow us to shed some salary and bring back a rookie contract stud and some draft picks, right? The likelihood of getting a franchise player somewhere in that bundle is very, very low, so that in-and-of-itself isn't going to be central to rebuilding a contender, more so giving us cheap options to fill out the rotation or beef up trade packages for other pieces. Accelerating the process of freeing up cap space for free agency is also a mixed bag, as the Lewis signing can demonstrate. Max contract space is not created equal but instead contingent on the makeup of talent on the team and the availability of free agents. So right now sans Dwight and Hedo we could free up max space by '14 and have ~$10-$12 mill as soon as '13. Like with the picks and players we get from trading Dwight, the likelihood of bringing in franchise player talent via this accelerated process is very low, so again the cap space is not central to building a contender.

In all honesty, the best bet for getting that central pillar to building a contender, a franchise player, is via the draft. Dwight walks, we hopefully suck something awful, get into the lottery in '13 and '14 and win top 5 picks both years, let contracts fall off naturally and acquire max contract space by '15, and hopefully start making the playoffs.

Next years starting lineup could very likely be Nelson|JRich|Hedo|Anderson|Fran. Hopefully they suck sufficiently.

Or you could trade him, free up cap space, and trade the players you get for picks from other teams and still tank at the same time.

Again, in terms of rebuilding, how much better is that than Dwight just walking? I don't think it is much better at all tbh. Then consider that the cost is giving up on the chance at re-signing Dwight. Is that small gain from trading him worth giving up the chance at keeping him? I don't think so. The new CBA was partly designed to help teams compete for their stars, I'm willing to see it prove it was worth a lockout.