Ryan Anderson Playing Disappearing Act: Is It Good For Us

[eyriq]

Eyriq:

I remember in another thread you put Ryan Anderson in your Top 35.

Was that an exaggeration or is that how you truly feel?

To me, claiming Ryan Anderson is a Top 35 player means he should be a #2a. option or a #1 option... which I can't agree with.

It also means he should get paid like a Top 35 player. He is more of a top 50-60 guy to me.

Here is my thought process on this. 30 teams in the league. A handful of franchise players and then the all stars for the leagues top 24.

There are a lot of players that fall outside that group that you could argue are better than Anderson. Al Jefferson, Monroe, Millsap, Cousins, Irving, Curry, Gortat, Harden, Josh Smith, KG, David West, Boozer, Horford, Lowry, Eric Gordon, Granger, Nene, Bargnani, Rudy Gay, Ellis, Amare, John Wall, and so on. I personally think that a strong argument can be made that Anderson belongs somewhere in that group, and I believe I said #31 offhandedly. Do I feel as good about that going into game 4 against Indy? Ya, no. I've got eyes and a brain to process the no show by Anderson. Yet it doesn't change the fact that he used 21.2% of our possessions with an 124 ORtg. That is valuable, very valuable, and it is unique too. He belongs in that group, and has as good a shot at breaking into the top 24 as any of the guys listed outside of the clear cut future franchise players like Wall, Cousins, and Irving.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

There is nothing good about a player disappearing when a team is counting on him.

[OrlChamps2030]

There is nothing good about a player disappearing when a team is counting on him.

If it saves us from severely overpaying, so be it.

[G-Heel]

Eyriq:

I remember in another thread you put Ryan Anderson in your Top 35.

Was that an exaggeration or is that how you truly feel?

To me, claiming Ryan Anderson is a Top 35 player means he should be a #2a. option or a #1 option... which I can't agree with.

It also means he should get paid like a Top 35 player. He is more of a top 50-60 guy to me.

Here is my thought process on this. 30 teams in the league. A handful of franchise players and then the all stars for the leagues top 24.

There are a lot of players that fall outside that group that you could argue are better than Anderson. Al Jefferson, Monroe, Millsap, Cousins, Irving, Curry, Gortat, Harden, Josh Smith, KG, David West, Boozer, Horford, Lowry, Eric Gordon, Granger, Nene, Bargnani, Rudy Gay, Ellis, Amare, John Wall, and so on. I personally think that a strong argument can be made that Anderson belongs somewhere in that group, and I believe I said #31 offhandedly. Do I feel as good about that going into game 4 against Indy? Ya, no. I've got eyes and a brain to process the no show by Anderson. Yet it doesn't change the fact that he used 21.2% of our possessions with an 124 ORtg. That is valuable, very valuable, and it is unique too. He belongs in that group, and has as good a shot at breaking into the top 24 as any of the guys listed outside of the clear cut future franchise players like Wall, Cousins, and Irving.

This is one of the case that you can't use stats to judge a player. Of the players you mentioned, I don't see Ryan being better than any of them.

[The Real Dalic]

Eyriq:

I remember in another thread you put Ryan Anderson in your Top 35.

Was that an exaggeration or is that how you truly feel?

To me, claiming Ryan Anderson is a Top 35 player means he should be a #2a. option or a #1 option... which I can't agree with.

It also means he should get paid like a Top 35 player. He is more of a top 50-60 guy to me.

Here is my thought process on this. 30 teams in the league. A handful of franchise players and then the all stars for the leagues top 24.

There are a lot of players that fall outside that group that you could argue are better than Anderson. Al Jefferson, Monroe, Millsap, Cousins, Irving, Curry, Gortat, Harden, Josh Smith, KG, David West, Boozer, Horford, Lowry, Eric Gordon, Granger, Nene, Bargnani, Rudy Gay, Ellis, Amare, John Wall, and so on. I personally think that a strong argument can be made that Anderson belongs somewhere in that group, and I believe I said #31 offhandedly. Do I feel as good about that going into game 4 against Indy? Ya, no. I've got eyes and a brain to process the no show by Anderson. Yet it doesn't change the fact that he used 21.2% of our possessions with an 124 ORtg. That is valuable, very valuable, and it is unique too. He belongs in that group, and has as good a shot at breaking into the top 24 as any of the guys listed outside of the clear cut future franchise players like Wall, Cousins, and Irving.

This is one of the case that you can't use stats to judge a player. Of the players you mentioned, I don't see Ryan being better than any of them.

Yeah, he's not even close to any of those guys mentioned above. . .

[ChosenSavior]

Eyriq:

I remember in another thread you put Ryan Anderson in your Top 35.

Was that an exaggeration or is that how you truly feel?

To me, claiming Ryan Anderson is a Top 35 player means he should be a #2a. option or a #1 option... which I can't agree with.

It also means he should get paid like a Top 35 player. He is more of a top 50-60 guy to me.

Here is my thought process on this. 30 teams in the league. A handful of franchise players and then the all stars for the leagues top 24.

There are a lot of players that fall outside that group that you could argue are better than Anderson. Al Jefferson, Monroe, Millsap, Cousins, Irving, Curry, Gortat, Harden, Josh Smith, KG, David West, Boozer, Horford, Lowry, Eric Gordon, Granger, Nene, Bargnani, Rudy Gay, Ellis, Amare, John Wall, and so on. I personally think that a strong argument can be made that Anderson belongs somewhere in that group, and I believe I said #31 offhandedly. Do I feel as good about that going into game 4 against Indy? Ya, no. I've got eyes and a brain to process the no show by Anderson. Yet it doesn't change the fact that he used 21.2% of our possessions with an 124 ORtg. That is valuable, very valuable, and it is unique too. He belongs in that group, and has as good a shot at breaking into the top 24 as any of the guys listed outside of the clear cut future franchise players like Wall, Cousins, and Irving.

This is one of the case that you can't use stats to judge a player. Of the players you mentioned, I don't see Ryan being better than any of them.

Agreed. Stats can most often be misleading and that is certainly the case with Ryan Anderson. I honestly would take any of those players eyriq mentioned over Anderson in a heartbeat.

[Chris1]

So far he's averaging 7.7 PPG in the playoffs, regular season average was 16.1.

OUCH! That's even worse than last year.

[arkknight1988]

i was afraid this would happen..oh well its good to know who the real anderson is before overpaying him

[MagicMadness]

So far he's averaging 7.7 PPG in the playoffs, regular season average was 16.1.

OUCH! That's even worse than last year.

It would be nice to know what his averages were against playoff-destined teams this past regular season. A big knock on Anderson was his tendency to no-show against the good teams in the league.

[The Real Dalic]

So far he's averaging 7.7 PPG in the playoffs, regular season average was 16.1.

OUCH! That's even worse than last year.

It would be nice to know what his averages were against playoff-destined teams this past regular season. A big knock on Anderson was his tendency to no-show against the good teams in the league.

Bensational posted this a few pages back:

average PPG against Boston in 3 games this year: 8pts (0, 12, 12) (L, L, L)

average PPG against Chicago in 3 games this year: 8.7pts (5, 11, 10) (L, W, L)

average PPG against Atlanta in 3 games this year: 12.3pts (21, 10, 6) (L, L, L)

average PPG against Miami in 3 games this year: 14.3pts (27, 9, 16) (W, L, W)

average PPG against Indiana in 4 games this year: 14.8pts (24, 11, 12, 12) (W, L, W, W)

average PPG against OKC in 2 games this year: 20pts (25 ,16) (L, L)


Look at those numbers and try to tell me there is some kind of consistency there. What Ryan will show up on what night? If he were "hyper-efficient" he would produce CONSISTENT NUMBERS. he wouldn't be up and down the way he is. he wouldn't average 8 points against one of the other elite teams in the conference.

if you're talking about including Ryan as #3 in a trio built around Dwight, then you'd better hope you've got a Dwayne Wade/Chris Paul type #1b option, because otherwise you're back to depending on a guy who can't be depended on.

[Reverse_Angle]

Ryan is dead to me.

[AdamTheGreek]

If Ryan was dead, at least we'd see his corpse.

[Reverse_Angle]

If Ryan was dead, at least we'd see his corpse.

I have seen his ghost on court tonight, would that work?

[The Real Dalic]

If Ryan was dead, at least we'd see his corpse.

I have seen his ghost on court tonight, would that work?

This took a creepy turn.

[magicman123]

If Ryan was dead, at least we'd see his corpse.

I have seen his ghost on court tonight, would that work?

casper

[magicman123]

anderson

vs boston: 8pts, 4.3reb, 29%-10% (10.3fga)
vs chicago: 8.7pts, 6reb, 28%-26% (10.7fga)
vs atlanta: 12.3pts, 6.3reb, 36%-22% (12.7fga) (scored 6 and 10pts in 2 of the 3 games)
vs miami: 14.3pts, 8reb, 43%-41% (11.0fga) (scored 5pts and 9pts in 2 of the 4 games)
vs indiana: 14.8pts, 6.5reb, 46%-55% (9.8fga) (scored 11, 12, 12pts in 3 of the 4 games)
vs philly: 22.3pts, 12.3reb, 63%-56% (13.7fga)
vs knicks: 16.5pts, 4.5pts, 52%-50% (11.5fga) (scored 3pts in 1 of the 2 games)

so even though he has decent averages against some of those teams, he was still wildly inconsistent against those teams, good one game and awful the next, the only team he played well against overall was philly

[Bensational]

So far he's averaging 7.7 PPG in the playoffs, regular season average was 16.1.

OUCH! That's even worse than last year.

It would be nice to know what his averages were against playoff-destined teams this past regular season. A big knock on Anderson was his tendency to no-show against the good teams in the league.

his overall average against .500 teams were actually very close to his season averages - maybe even slightly above. his numbers were considerably higher against West Coast playoff bound teams than vs east coast playoff bound teams - but then, he played against the East A LOT more, and we saw how much his PPG fluctuated in those series.

his games against the West elite were:

Dallas - 1gm - 21/6 on 50% and 50% (fg% and 3fg%)
Denver - 2gm - 22/9 on 44% and 31%
Houston - 1gm - 8/5 on 33% and 25%
LA Clips - 1gm - 10/9 on 30% and 40%
LA Lakers - 1gm - 13/8 on 50% and 50%
Phoenix - 1gm - 29/4 on 56% and 58%
San Antonio - 2gm - 18/9.5 on 39% and 23%
Utah - 1gm - 21/5 on 42% and 41%

avg ppg = 18
avg rbs = 6.9

[GameOver25]

Eyriq:

I remember in another thread you put Ryan Anderson in your Top 35.

Was that an exaggeration or is that how you truly feel?

To me, claiming Ryan Anderson is a Top 35 player means he should be a #2a. option or a #1 option... which I can't agree with.

It also means he should get paid like a Top 35 player. He is more of a top 50-60 guy to me.

Here is my thought process on this. 30 teams in the league. A handful of franchise players and then the all stars for the leagues top 24.

There are a lot of players that fall outside that group that you could argue are better than Anderson. Al Jefferson, Monroe, Millsap, Cousins, Irving, Curry, Gortat, Harden, Josh Smith, KG, David West, Boozer, Horford, Lowry, Eric Gordon, Granger, Nene, Bargnani, Rudy Gay, Ellis, Amare, John Wall, and so on. I personally think that a strong argument can be made that Anderson belongs somewhere in that group, and I believe I said #31 offhandedly. Do I feel as good about that going into game 4 against Indy? Ya, no. I've got eyes and a brain to process the no show by Anderson. Yet it doesn't change the fact that he used 21.2% of our possessions with an 124 ORtg. That is valuable, very valuable, and it is unique too. He belongs in that group, and has as good a shot at breaking into the top 24 as any of the guys listed outside of the clear cut future franchise players like Wall, Cousins, and Irving.

[eyriq]

LMAO

So tempted to make that my new avi! I need some yoga or nirvana meds or something.

Edit: Ryan's stats from the regular season sorted by wins/losses:

13-7 on 36-30-94 in losses
18-9 on 48-46-85 in wins

Basically he shoots well in our wins, shoots poorly in our losses. He drops about 1 minute of playing time and one FGA in our losses. This series has been completely different for him. He isn't getting close to his FGA, and he didn't shoot well in our one win, and he has had only one good rebounding game.

[NickAnderson]

3rd straight postseason where Anderson has underperformed.