Official Speculation Thread (Pt.LIII "Lottery/Draft"Edition)

[BadMofoPimp]

I am all for trading down. I wouldn't doubt that there are some surprise players drafted between 7 and 16 of whom could end up better than the top 5. There are plenty of quality players out there that could do better in the NBA than they did in college.

[KingRobb02]

Exactly. The second pick next year will probably be in the 20s and will have a 1 in 5 chance of being a contributor. If someone is willing to trade that pick and our top 5 pick this year for another lottery pick in 2014, I don't even blink before I say yes.

That would be completely irresponsible to trade a #1,#2 or #3 pick AND a mid-late (most likely) 2014 1st round pick for a pick that doesnt even exist yet.

How in the world would you know what pick you are giving all of that up for? That is crazy bro. You have NO IDEA what will happen with any team next season. What happens if your top-3 pick plus 2013 free agency doesnt put said team in the playoffs for god sakes? Injuries could happen, ANYTHING could happen next year.

If you trade this pick, you trade it for a SURE THING, aka A known star player etc. You dont gamble away something like that for something with ZERO idea of what is coming back. I cant believe how many people think that is a wise idea.

Agree one hundred percent. I was going to write something similar but you beat me to it. Let's say we trade our pick to the bobcats for next season pick. Now they have 2 top 5 picks and plenty of cap room to sign solid players this summer. Yea, they are going to make the playoffs and leave us in the dry. Too much risk!!!! Very low chance it'll pay off.

Do you see any players in the 2013 draft that you like enough to say they will single handedly turn a team into a playoff contender? The Bobcats could land Smart, McLemore, and Noel this season and still win 30 games or less next year. This is a pretty safe bet.

[Neon1]

Do you see any players in the 2013 draft that you like enough to say they will single handedly turn a team into a playoff contender? The Bobcats could land Smart, McLemore, and Noel this season and still win 30 games or less next year. This is a pretty safe bet.

It doesnt need to be a single player to put them into the playoffs.

1. Gift them a second 2013 Top-5 pick in the Draft in addition to the top pick they already have.
2. Natural Progression of the guys they already have, Kemba/MKG+Young role players Biyombo+Mullens+Taylor
3. A TON of money and free agency looming (Al Jefferson? Millsap? Monta? JSmoove? Redick? etc)
4. A couple East playoff teams could fall off or blow it up? (Bucks/Celtics etc).

Trading a KNOWN top draft pick for one that you have ZERO idea or certainty of is not smart AT ALL.


Then as if that isnt enough, Even IF they miss the playoffs, with the lottery system you have NO IDEA where you will pick until the lotto balls come up.

[MoMM]

What do you mean? If we get the #1 THIS year? or Next year?

He probably meant if we get another pick, we could use the 2 lower picks to get a top 5 pick... which is unlikely. Unless those 2 picks turn out to be like 8 and 13, no one is gonna give you a top 5 pick next year.

That was what i meant.

[SEBAS-07]

Do you see any players in the 2013 draft that you like enough to say they will single handedly turn a team into a playoff contender? The Bobcats could land Smart, McLemore, and Noel this season and still win 30 games or less next year. This is a pretty safe bet.

It doesnt need to be a single player to put them into the playoffs.

1. Gift them a second 2013 Top-5 pick in the Draft in addition to the top pick they already have.
2. Natural Progression of the guys they already have, Kemba/MKG+Young role players Biyombo+Mullens+Taylor
3. A TON of money and free agency looming (Al Jefferson? Millsap? Monta? JSmoove? Redick? etc)
4. A couple East playoff teams could fall off or blow it up? (Bucks/Celtics etc).

Trading a KNOWN top draft pick for one that you have ZERO idea or certainty of is not smart AT ALL.


Then as if that isnt enough, Even IF they miss the playoffs, with the lottery system you have NO IDEA where you will pick until the lotto balls come up.

I`ve read Michael Jordan wants to completely rebrand the Bobcats. He wants to become the Charlotte Hornets again and leave the Bobcats moniker behind. They also want to maximize cap space to chase Pekovic and Josh Smith.

[BadMofoPimp]

I want Pekovic to play alongside Vucci. Would gladly trade the #1 overall for Pekovic and even throw in BBD!?!?!?!

[G-Heel]

That would be completely irresponsible to trade a #1,#2 or #3 pick AND a mid-late (most likely) 2014 1st round pick for a pick that doesnt even exist yet.

How in the world would you know what pick you are giving all of that up for? That is crazy bro. You have NO IDEA what will happen with any team next season. What happens if your top-3 pick plus 2013 free agency doesnt put said team in the playoffs for god sakes? Injuries could happen, ANYTHING could happen next year.

If you trade this pick, you trade it for a SURE THING, aka A known star player etc. You dont gamble away something like that for something with ZERO idea of what is coming back. I cant believe how many people think that is a wise idea.

Agree one hundred percent. I was going to write something similar but you beat me to it. Let's say we trade our pick to the bobcats for next season pick. Now they have 2 top 5 picks and plenty of cap room to sign solid players this summer. Yea, they are going to make the playoffs and leave us in the dry. Too much risk!!!! Very low chance it'll pay off.

Do you see any players in the 2013 draft that you like enough to say they will single handedly turn a team into a playoff contender? The Bobcats could land Smart, McLemore, and Noel this season and still win 30 games or less next year. This is a pretty safe bet.

I don't know how you can say it's a safe bet with a straight face. It's absolutely the opposite.

Let's say they take Smart & Bennett. They'll have a core of Smart, Walker, Gilchrist, Bennett, and Biyombo with Ben Gordon and Henderson. They can sacrifice some of that youth for good players and sign or trade for players this summer. They can get 35+ wins easily, it's not hard at all to get 40 wins. Add to the fact that teams going to want to tank next year, we'd see lot of teams more than willing to trade good veterans for one of those young players.

Even if they only win 30 games, that might give them 10th pick. Next year class will be talented but there's a big drop off after 5-6 players. Do you really want to trade our pick for, most likely, a 10th+ pick?

[IllMagic04]

Whats the deal with out MLE we got in the Coward trade? Does it expire at the end of this year or next? Or does it expire at all? Could we use it as a trade chip and get a extra draft pick this year or next? Maybe even 2015. Since we are rebuilding I doubt we do major FA signing.

[KingRobb02]

I don't know how you can say it's a safe bet with a straight face. It's absolutely the opposite.

Let's say they take Smart & Bennett. They'll have a core of Smart, Walker, Gilchrist, Bennett, and Biyombo with Ben Gordon and Henderson. They can sacrifice some of that youth for good players and sign or trade for players this summer. They can get 35+ wins easily, it's not hard at all to get 40 wins. Add to the fact that teams going to want to tank next year, we'd see lot of teams more than willing to trade good veterans for one of those young players.

Even if they only win 30 games, that might give them 10th pick. Next year class will be talented but there's a big drop off after 5-6 players. Do you really want to trade our pick for, most likely, a 10th+ pick?

That logic only works if you assume the 5th best player this year is better than the 10th best next year. In my opinion, Smart and McLemore wouldn't be standout picks next year. I just don't think that missing out on the 3rd best player in this draft is too much to risk for another lottery pick in 2014. No matte rhow much money the Cats have, no big name free agent wants to play there so it comes down to assuming the worst team in the NBA won't take a huge leap forward.

[NEM]

Whats the deal with out MLE we got in the Coward trade? Does it expire at the end of this year or next? Or does it expire at all? Could we use it as a trade chip and get a extra draft pick this year or next? Maybe even 2015. Since we are rebuilding I doubt we do major FA signing.

It's a Traded Player Exception (TPE), not a Mid-Level Exception (MLE). Yes we still have it, and have until August 12th to use it. We can use it to take on a salary or salaries that add up to ~18 million (Largest in history). We sure can acquire pick(s) with it, and I think that's exactly what Hennigan planned when he came up with the Howard deal. We Also have our McRoberts TPE that expires February 21, 2014. I expect us to be very active leaduing up to and during the draft. Not so much afterwards because there are no game changer free agents this season, and Henny has already stated that he will not waste cap space on middle of the road players. If we don't use the TPE by August 12th, it expires. However, I'm almost positive we will use at least a part of it.

[KingRobb02]

Whats the deal with out MLE we got in the Coward trade? Does it expire at the end of this year or next? Or does it expire at all? Could we use it as a trade chip and get a extra draft pick this year or next? Maybe even 2015. Since we are rebuilding I doubt we do major FA signing.

It's a Traded Player Exception (TPE), not a Mid-Level Exception (MLE). Yes we still have it, and have until August 12th to use it. We can use it to take on a salary or salaries that add up to ~18 million (Largest in history). We sure can acquire pick(s) with it, and I think that's exactly what Hennigan planned when he came up with the Howard deal. We Also have our McRoberts TPE that expires February 21, 2014. I expect us to be very active leaduing up to and during the draft. Not so much afterwards because there are no game changer free agents this season, and Henny has already stated that he will not waste cap space on middle of the road players. If we don't use the TPE by August 12th, it expires. However, I'm almost positive we will use at least a part of it.

I think we try to roll that one over too. I don't see any situation where we acquire 18 million in bad contracts unless we trade for someone like Danny Granger and then offer him a buyout.

[Neon1]

Whats the deal with out MLE we got in the Coward trade? Does it expire at the end of this year or next? Or does it expire at all? Could we use it as a trade chip and get a extra draft pick this year or next? Maybe even 2015. Since we are rebuilding I doubt we do major FA signing.

It's a Traded Player Exception (TPE), not a Mid-Level Exception (MLE). Yes we still have it, and have until August 12th to use it. We can use it to take on a salary or salaries that add up to ~18 million (Largest in history). We sure can acquire pick(s) with it, and I think that's exactly what Hennigan planned when he came up with the Howard deal. We Also have our McRoberts TPE that expires February 21, 2014. I expect us to be very active leaduing up to and during the draft. Not so much afterwards because there are no game changer free agents this season, and Henny has already stated that he will not waste cap space on middle of the road players. If we don't use the TPE by August 12th, it expires. However, I'm almost positive we will use at least a part of it.

I think we try to roll that one over too. I don't see any situation where we acquire 18 million in bad contracts unless we trade for someone like Danny Granger and then offer him a buyout.

Ben Gordon can use 12 of it alone. Charlotte doesnt have much left in the way of draft picks though.

[KingRobb02]

Ben Gordon can use 12 of it alone. Charlotte doesnt have much left in the way of draft picks though.

With Charlotte having all their core guys on rookie deals, they won't really need to shed salary this summer. Plus I don't know the rules on trading guys who exercise their player option. These are the same roadbloacks I came to when thinking of ways to trade Turk's partially guaranteed for Gordon straight up.

[Mrrags009]

Orl in - Love / Perkins
Out - Harrington / Vucevic / 1rst round pick
They get the superstar they need to keep rebuilding at the price of a top 3 pick and promising young big, have 3 years to get Love to buy in , Perkins is garbage

Okc in - Vucevic / Min 1rst rd pick
Out - Ibaka / Perkins
Get young promising big on better contract than Ibaka, lose Perkins contract for cap space ( plus Martins 12 mil they can go shopping this summer ) plus get Min top 10 pick ( and have Torontos) can pick up or rebuild front line through draft

Min in - Orl 1rst/ Harrington / Ibaka
Out - Love
Get Love out for good value in Orl first and Ibaka before he forces a trade, get player who compliments Pekovic well and will become a star on his own team, get Orl pick which will be high (top 3), also gain cap relief

[KillMonger]

Orl in - Love / Perkins
Out - Harrington / Vucevic / 1rst round pick
They get the superstar they need to keep rebuilding at the price of a top 3 pick and promising young big, have 3 years to get Love to buy in , Perkins is garbage

Okc in - Vucevic / Min 1rst rd pick
Out - Ibaka / Perkins
Get young promising big on better contract than Ibaka, lose Perkins contract for cap space ( plus Martins 12 mil they can go shopping this summer ) plus get Min top 10 pick ( and have Torontos) can pick up or rebuild front line through draft

Min in - Orl 1rst/ Harrington / Ibaka
Out - Love
Get Love out for good value in Orl first and Ibaka before he forces a trade, get player who compliments Pekovic well and will become a star on his own team, get Orl pick which will be high (top 3), also gain cap relief

Love the enthusiasm but I can't help but feel meh about this deal

[flying_mollusk]

I think everyone can agree that the Noel pick probably boils down to what assurances the doctors can make.

[IllMagic04]

Whats the deal with out MLE we got in the Coward trade? Does it expire at the end of this year or next? Or does it expire at all? Could we use it as a trade chip and get a extra draft pick this year or next? Maybe even 2015. Since we are rebuilding I doubt we do major FA signing.

It's a Traded Player Exception (TPE), not a Mid-Level Exception (MLE). Yes we still have it, and have until August 12th to use it. We can use it to take on a salary or salaries that add up to ~18 million (Largest in history). We sure can acquire pick(s) with it, and I think that's exactly what Hennigan planned when he came up with the Howard deal. We Also have our McRoberts TPE that expires February 21, 2014. I expect us to be very active leaduing up to and during the draft. Not so much afterwards because there are no game changer free agents this season, and Henny has already stated that he will not waste cap space on middle of the road players. If we don't use the TPE by August 12th, it expires. However, I'm almost positive we will use at least a part of it.

Thanks for the breakdown.

[trebone]

^ I dont see Minnesota doing that, at best Ibaka is a 3rd option and makes them worse than they are with a healthy Love, Minnesota would IMO be looking for picks and rookie scale talent. I like it for the Magic although Love worries me on the shorter deal he signed with him looking to go big market Diva, he did play for UCLA and LaL next to Dwight I could see happening and I want no part of another LAL/Orl fiasco

[Mannchild]

Eric Gordon will probably be available and we have the assets to get him... I, personally have never really been a big Eric Gordon fan but could see us making that move.

[Mrrags009]

Eric Gordon .. see Hill, Grant