Should the Magic fire JV now or wait abit?

[gumbyr24]

I really like JV..
I give him to the end of next season to show us
how good of a coach he is.
I'm already really happy with our player development.

[Optimus_Steel]

Its been 3 games.....

[BadMofoPimp]

Stan Van Gundy now 0-3? Why does he still have a job?!?!

Brand new team for Stan. Can't turn it around overnight. Vaughn is in his 3rd year and appears to still be trying to learn how to coach basketball.

I suggest you take a good long look at our roster and see how many young and new players we have. I count 9 new players. Up to this point 4 of the 6 young returning players have either been injured or didn't get much time because of other players on the roster. Harris and Vuc are facing their own challenges that impact the team as well since this is the first year they've been tasked to carry and lead the team. This is not the same team Vaughn has coached the past two years. Doesn't matter who's coaching, we're going to go through some growing pains this season, especially while oladipo is out. So if you're going to say SVG gets a pass because he has to deal with a new team, then you should also have the same kind of leniency for vaughn who is also coaching a new team. Not saying vaughn deserves praise, just saying the criticism is way out of hand on this board.

I was judging him based off his coaching the first 3 games, not the talent.

[OrlandO]

Brand new team for Stan. Can't turn it around overnight. Vaughn is in his 3rd year and appears to still be trying to learn how to coach basketball.

I suggest you take a good long look at our roster and see how many young and new players we have. I count 9 new players. Up to this point 4 of the 6 young returning players have either been injured or didn't get much time because of other players on the roster. Harris and Vuc are facing their own challenges that impact the team as well since this is the first year they've been tasked to carry and lead the team. This is not the same team Vaughn has coached the past two years. Doesn't matter who's coaching, we're going to go through some growing pains this season, especially while oladipo is out. So if you're going to say SVG gets a pass because he has to deal with a new team, then you should also have the same kind of leniency for vaughn who is also coaching a new team. Not saying vaughn deserves praise, just saying the criticism is way out of hand on this board.

I was judging him based off his coaching the first 3 games, not the talent.

If we are to go off a few games, then SVG is already a failure for allowing josh smith to continue taking long 2s and 3s. Players are already tuning him out, fire him!

[BadMofoPimp]

I suggest you take a good long look at our roster and see how many young and new players we have. I count 9 new players. Up to this point 4 of the 6 young returning players have either been injured or didn't get much time because of other players on the roster. Harris and Vuc are facing their own challenges that impact the team as well since this is the first year they've been tasked to carry and lead the team. This is not the same team Vaughn has coached the past two years. Doesn't matter who's coaching, we're going to go through some growing pains this season, especially while oladipo is out. So if you're going to say SVG gets a pass because he has to deal with a new team, then you should also have the same kind of leniency for vaughn who is also coaching a new team. Not saying vaughn deserves praise, just saying the criticism is way out of hand on this board.

I was judging him based off his coaching the first 3 games, not the talent.

If we are to go off a few games, then SVG is already a failure for allowing josh smith to continue taking long 2s and 3s. Players are already tuning him out, fire him!

Pistons been battlin injuries like the Magic too. Regardless, Josh has been the only one besides DJ and BJ that has been able to score. Besides, Josh is still hitting a decent percentage of his shots overall scoring consistently at a higher clip than Harris.

[OrlandO]

I was judging him based off his coaching the first 3 games, not the talent.

If we are to go off a few games, then SVG is already a failure for allowing josh smith to continue taking long 2s and 3s. Players are already tuning him out, fire him!

Pistons been battlin injuries like the Magic too. Regardless, Josh has been the only one besides DJ and BJ that has been able to score. Besides, Josh is still hitting a decent percentage of his shots overall scoring consistently at a higher clip than Harris.

That's my point. You're giving a pass to one team/coach, but treating the other like they're supposed to be title contenders. The reality is both coaches/teams are in similar situations right now: struggling through injuries, chemistry issues, inexperience, etc. It's going to take time for both teams/coaches to get things going.

And Smith and Harris are having very similar starts. Both had strong first games then struggled the last two... both averaging around 16 pts on 38% fg and 7 boards.

[MagicFan101]

People here are so quick to judge JV for failing to win games with an injured roster not ready to win games.

People are crying about his minute distribution and his rotations without knowing what his / our goals actually are. Our young guys are progressing well. We can't discount the idea that JV has helped with this.

Dipo was the #2 pick, so a lot was expected of him but he still had a lot of question marks. He has silenced a lot of his critics already. Is it impossible to imagine that our coaching staff has helped with this?

Payton is already a great distributor and a very nice defender. His shot and overall offensive confidence needs work. Can JV and his staff help with that?

A. Gordon is the big project on this roster. He needs a great development minded coach to help him get to the next level. I really wish we had SVG here to help him, but I would like to see what JV and his staff can do with him this year.

Vuc and Harris have done well for themselves also.

We shouldn't be so quick to toss JV aside.

[BadMofoPimp]

If we are to go off a few games, then SVG is already a failure for allowing josh smith to continue taking long 2s and 3s. Players are already tuning him out, fire him!

Pistons been battlin injuries like the Magic too. Regardless, Josh has been the only one besides DJ and BJ that has been able to score. Besides, Josh is still hitting a decent percentage of his shots overall scoring consistently at a higher clip than Harris.

That's my point. You're giving a pass to one team/coach, but treating the other like they're supposed to be title contenders. The reality is both coaches/teams are in similar situations right now: struggling through injuries, chemistry issues, inexperience, etc. It's going to take time for both teams/coaches to get things going.

And Smith and Harris are having very similar starts. Both had strong first games then struggled the last two... both averaging around 16 pts on 38% fg and 7 boards.

After being in an organization for 165 games coaching already, Vaughn is doing a piss poor job of play calling, substitutions, holds no players accountable and basically poorly running the team in most facets. Players look lost out there and that is a reflection of a bad coach. All the while Vaughn looks too casual over there on the bench amidst his team getting spanked. There is a massive difference in that Stan is rebuilding his team and completely changing a bad culture over Vaughn who has had years with an organization while his team looks lost.

[OrlandO]

Pistons been battlin injuries like the Magic too. Regardless, Josh has been the only one besides DJ and BJ that has been able to score. Besides, Josh is still hitting a decent percentage of his shots overall scoring consistently at a higher clip than Harris.

That's my point. You're giving a pass to one team/coach, but treating the other like they're supposed to be title contenders. The reality is both coaches/teams are in similar situations right now: struggling through injuries, chemistry issues, inexperience, etc. It's going to take time for both teams/coaches to get things going.

And Smith and Harris are having very similar starts. Both had strong first games then struggled the last two... both averaging around 16 pts on 38% fg and 7 boards.

After being in an organization for 165 games coaching already, Vaughn is doing a piss poor job of play calling, substitutions, holds no players accountable and basically poorly running the team in most facets. Players look lost out there and that is a reflection of a bad coach. All the while Vaughn looks too casual over there on the bench amidst his team getting spanked. There is a massive difference in that Stan is rebuilding his team and completely changing a bad culture over Vaughn who has had years with an organization while his team looks lost.

Well I suppose it depends if you think vaughn was intentionally steering the team to losses or not in his first two seasons. If we were tanking with his help, it's not exactly fair to hold everything that happened in those two years against him. Do you think the magic gave him a two-year extension this summer to continue doing what was obviously not working overall last season? I don't think so, and therefore to me this is year 1 to truly evaluate him.

[BadMofoPimp]

That's my point. You're giving a pass to one team/coach, but treating the other like they're supposed to be title contenders. The reality is both coaches/teams are in similar situations right now: struggling through injuries, chemistry issues, inexperience, etc. It's going to take time for both teams/coaches to get things going.

And Smith and Harris are having very similar starts. Both had strong first games then struggled the last two... both averaging around 16 pts on 38% fg and 7 boards.

After being in an organization for 165 games coaching already, Vaughn is doing a piss poor job of play calling, substitutions, holds no players accountable and basically poorly running the team in most facets. Players look lost out there and that is a reflection of a bad coach. All the while Vaughn looks too casual over there on the bench amidst his team getting spanked. There is a massive difference in that Stan is rebuilding his team and completely changing a bad culture over Vaughn who has had years with an organization while his team looks lost.

Well I suppose it depends if you think vaughn was intentionally steering the team to losses or not in his first two seasons. If we were tanking with his help, it's not exactly fair to hold everything that happened in those two years against him. Do you think the magic gave him a two-year extension this summer to continue doing what was obviously not working overall last season? I don't think so, and therefore to me this is year 1 to truly evaluate him.

2 year extensions!?!?!?! I thought they just extended him one year? What idiots if they extended this dumbass 2 years.

Edit: I see now, they exercised team option and extended one year.

[OrlandO]

After being in an organization for 165 games coaching already, Vaughn is doing a piss poor job of play calling, substitutions, holds no players accountable and basically poorly running the team in most facets. Players look lost out there and that is a reflection of a bad coach. All the while Vaughn looks too casual over there on the bench amidst his team getting spanked. There is a massive difference in that Stan is rebuilding his team and completely changing a bad culture over Vaughn who has had years with an organization while his team looks lost.

Well I suppose it depends if you think vaughn was intentionally steering the team to losses or not in his first two seasons. If we were tanking with his help, it's not exactly fair to hold everything that happened in those two years against him. Do you think the magic gave him a two-year extension this summer to continue doing what was obviously not working overall last season? I don't think so, and therefore to me this is year 1 to truly evaluate him.

2 year extensions!?!?!?! I thought they just extended him one year? What idiots if they extended this dumbass 2 years.

Edit: I see now, they exercised team option and extended one year.

Yeah, he is under contract now for this and next season. I don't think they bother with extending if he wasn't in on the tank last season. He obviously met whatever goals they had for him.

[BadMofoPimp]

Yeah, he is under contract now for this and next season. I don't think they bother with extending if he wasn't in on the tank last season. He obviously met whatever goals they had for him.

I really don't have a problem with him being here this whole season to see if he really has it then wait til after the season to dump him. This season will be a wash anyways as the East is tough and the Magic have very little chance of making the playoffs. But, I want to see improvement and I don't see any improvement in anything Vaughn has done thus far in just about any facet of the game, X/O's or Substitutions patterns. Really, I don't see any improvement from a coaching standpoint if not worse.

[drsd]

If the Magic is 0-10, is Vaughn fired? How about 1-19? Or 3-30?

I hope the rails do not come off, but with injuries and lack of team preparation leading to a horrific road test, things are most certain to get ugly. Coach Vaughn might lose his job for issues outside of his control.

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[BadMofoPimp]

If the team goes on a massive losing streak to start the season, I mean, how long are players supposed to suck it up and be optimistic going thru a 3rd losing season as one of if not the worst team in the NBA?

[akhenaten]

If we are to go off a few games, then SVG is already a failure for allowing josh smith to continue taking long 2s and 3s. Players are already tuning him out, fire him!

Pistons been battlin injuries like the Magic too. Regardless, Josh has been the only one besides DJ and BJ that has been able to score. Besides, Josh is still hitting a decent percentage of his shots overall scoring consistently at a higher clip than Harris.

That's my point. You're giving a pass to one team/coach, but treating the other like they're supposed to be title contenders. The reality is both coaches/teams are in similar situations right now: struggling through injuries, chemistry issues, inexperience, etc. It's going to take time for both teams/coaches to get things going.

And Smith and Harris are having very similar starts. Both had strong first games then struggled the last two... both averaging around 16 pts on 38% fg and 7 boards.

Why do you keeping making this same, misguided comparison between Vaughn and Van Gundy? No one is judging Jacque Vaughn based on "3 games", no matter how many times you keep saying it. We have watched him for 167 games. And if your response is that he "gets a pass" for Year 1 and Year 2, then explain to me why. I could see not judging him based solely on his win-loss record for the first 2 years because of the talent level on the team. However, that is not the only means by which to analyze whether a coach is good or bad. Are you really saying that when a team has bad players, there is no way to evaluate whether the coach is good or not? If that's your position then I completely disagree. And assuming we are capable of evaluating Vaughn's coaching abilities (not just wins and losses) regardless of how bad the personnel was the first two years, then we have had 167 games to form a reasonable opinion. Not 3!!! So Vaughn's situation (167 games) is not analogous to Van Gundy's situation (3 games), not to mention Van Gundy has proved his worth as a head coach for several years in this league, and therefore the Pistons aren't wondering whether he's capable of doing the job or not. Vaughn did not just start coaching these players this summer, the way Van Gundy did. IT IS YEAR 3. YEAR 3!!! And do you see any improvement? Does the team look competitive to you? Do they look organized and prepared? Have they been outscored in the third quarters of the first 3 games by an average of 11 points (yes)? What does that say about coaching and halftime adjustments? Anything? Or does JV just get a pass this year too, because his players are "young" and we have one injured starter? Should we wait until Year 5? 6? 7?

[Orlwillbeback]

I just watch us play and we dont look very prepared. Thats why i would fire vaughn

[BadMofoPimp]

Can't fire Vaughn because Henny,"Likes this Coach."

[MagicFan101]

People tossing out a number of losses required to fire JV are kidding themselves. This team is not going to win a lot of games with any coach.

If it becomes clear that our young players are not progressing well then I will openly support firing Vaughn mid-season but the W/L record is not a good excuse in the absence of a clearly better option.

Developing our young talent is all we should care about this season and is how we should evaluate JV. That is absolutely NOT the same thing as tanking for a draft pick but it does mean wins are not the immediate priority.

[magictime09]

Do you guys honestly think that he will be a good fit for our team long term?

Are there any other options out there that would fit our team better?

Besides coaching how much of this has to do with the perception that we are a losing team?

[BadMofoPimp]

Do you guys honestly think that he will be a good fit for our team long term?

Are there any other options out there that would fit our team better?

Besides coaching how much of this has to do with the perception that we are a losing team?

1) No

2) Yes

3) Worst NBA record over a 2 and now possibly 3 year period is a reflection of ineptitude and inefficiency from a coaching perspective. Losing just means coach can't coach himself out of paper bag.