The Push For George Karl [Merged]

[OrlandO]

@carmichaeldave has the kings hiring a coach in the near future and he is saying it probably would be Karl. He even changed his avi to a picture if Karl. Unfortunately for you guys I think he would pick Cousins/Gay over you're young talent.

Ps. Hire Malone you won't regret it


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I'm sorry but I don't trust any guy with a last name for a first name and first name for a last name. A local radio guy changing his avi means nothing. Besides, he also mentioned gentry in the offseason as a possibility.

[LBPTarHeel27]

I just find it amazing that a lot of people on here think it is Ring or Bust.

It is Ring or Bust.

One team succeeds and 29 fail. That is the point.

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While it IS ring or bust...it is ring or bust over the course of Henny's tenure as Magic GM....not just one season at a time. This season may be a "failure" but it is about long term growth and getting to the point where you can compete for the title. If everything was so short sighted, there'd be no reason for small market teams.

Think back to the 92 draft. We draft a once in a lifetime player that revolutionized the C position. It still took another #1 pick and three full seasons to make it to the Finals. We are just in year 3 right now and we don't have that once in a lifetime player. How can anyone expect anything?

Think back to the '04 draft. We draft a freakishly athletic big man who would soon become the best big man in the game. Even with Dwight, it took us until year three to just make the playoffs. We don't even have a prospect of his caliber. How can anyone expect anything?

[OrlandO]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/CoachKarl22/status/563894783806959616[/tweet]

[TreasureCoast]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/CoachKarl22/status/563894783806959616[/tweet]

Was that tweet deleted? I don't see it on his timeline...

Edit- nevermind I see it.

Wow, key word being "YET"????

[Neato]

you would think that if the magic were serious about going after karl, he would've been contacted by them by now. and I don't think he would be tweeting all that stuff if he were contacted. I'm thinking we are sticking with Borrego until the season is over to get in a good position for lottery. karl might be gone by then. so it's Malone? or gulp...skiles? I'm starting to think there are some real legs to this skiles stuff.

[FloridaHoosier]

Does not being contacted mean that his agent hasn't been contacted?

[Devin 1L]

I can't say that I really have a good reason for it, but it really kind of rubs me wrong the way George Karl is seemingly openingly campaigning for, like, every potential NBA coaching position.

At 63 years old, he'd be starting over with a new team as the second oldest coach in the league. Being just 24 games behind Phil Jackson who sits at #5 on the all-time coaching wins list, I can't help but wonder if there is motivation just to get those last few wins to squeeze into the top 5 (all of whom were elected to the Hall of Fame.)

[chosen12141]

you would think that if the magic were serious about going after karl, he would've been contacted by them by now. and I don't think he would be tweeting all that stuff if he were contacted. I'm thinking we are sticking with Borrego until the season is over to get in a good position for lottery. karl might be gone by then. so it's Malone? or gulp...skiles? I'm starting to think there are some real legs to this skiles stuff.

I can see why Hennie is not rushing into a decision that could cripple the growth and progress of this organization, but when you initially considered replacing JV, Hennie had to consider what was available now, and what will not be available in the offseason! So with that said, I think Hennie is either trying to pull a rabbit out of his hat and wait for the Chicago situation to clear up (rolling the dice here) or hope that other quality coaches show an interest like Billy Donovan (I hope not).

The problem with all of this is that the long term coaching answer has not presented itself to him yet, which is why he has given the team to Borrego, to buy more time! What is there to lose??

IMHO

[pogiro]

What is your plan from tomorrow through to the start of next season for this team?

You're not going to get an answer. At least not an answer other than "improve." As in this team will apparently learn how to win without some sort of influx of talent or someone to direct the talent we have and maximize their potential.

It's pretty simple though. Hennigan has said it himself, we need to address PF. Get a PF that can protect the rim and defend the paint, get a coach that can get these players to learn how to compete together.

Apparently losing like we have been losing all year is going to doom us for the rest of this roster's run. And now is the only time we can bring in a coach that can make a difference.

So, do you contradict yourself often?

Btw my plan is to get a coach (yes those are important) that can make the talent we have (yes we do have considerable talent) to mesh together and to play to win. If you don't play to win then wtf are you playing for? Yes everyone's goal should be a ring, but do you lose year in and year out to get lottery picks or do you eventually turn it around? There's other ways to get players besides the draft you know...

I contradicted because I said the team can get a coach to get them to compete together? Yes, that's one way to improve, but that's not all this team needs. It also needs more talent. There's other ways to get players, but this is the season we're dealt. Bottom 5 in one of the weakest Eastern Conference that I can remember, and we've been trying to win and make the playoffs all year.

Y'all are in denial. There's other ways to get talent other than the draft, but that requires assets. And you know what'd be a great assest? A high draft pick.

I didn't contradict myself. I said we need we need talent first and foremost, but yes, we need a coach to get em to mesh. We need both. Y'all seem to think the players are there, or that the player that we're missing will just magically appear.

[magicman123]

We need a coach with some experience, I'm not sure Karl is the answer, however it better not be skiles

[Rick Rolled]

The Sacramento Kings and George Karl "are engaged in intense conversations" about the team's vacant head-coaching position, according to the Sacramento Bee's Ailene Voisin.

Assistant Tyrone Corbin replaced Michael Malone on Dec. 14 after the Kings faltered to a 2-8 record during DeMarcus Cousins' absence due to viral meningitis. The plan was to have Corbin complete the season, conduct an extensive coaching search, and give the incoming coach the benefit of an entire offseason and training camp.

Besides Karl, an ESPN analyst who is known for dramatically improving franchises, particularly in Denver, Seattle and Milwaukee, the list of future candidates is known to include current NBA assistants Alvin Gentry and Nate McMillan, along with head coaches whose job security is thought to be tenuous, among them Tom Thibodeau and Scott Brooks.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25061805

[tiderulz]

So, do you contradict yourself often?

Btw my plan is to get a coach (yes those are important) that can make the talent we have (yes we do have considerable talent) to mesh together and to play to win. If you don't play to win then wtf are you playing for? Yes everyone's goal should be a ring, but do you lose year in and year out to get lottery picks or do you eventually turn it around? There's other ways to get players besides the draft you know...

I contradicted because I said the team can get a coach to get them to compete together? Yes, that's one way to improve, but that's not all this team needs. It also needs more talent. There's other ways to get players, but this is the season we're dealt. Bottom 5 in one of the weakest Eastern Conference that I can remember, and we've been trying to win and make the playoffs all year.

Y'all are in denial. There's other ways to get talent other than the draft, but that requires assets. And you know what'd be a great assest? A high draft pick.

I didn't contradict myself. I said we need we need talent first and foremost, but yes, we need a coach to get em to mesh. We need both. Y'all seem to think the players are there, or that the player that we're missing will just magically appear.

count me as one that says we still need high quality talent. We have plenty of role players, some good starters but no star. If we keep rolling Vuc out there, we HAVE to get a defensive PF that can help shore up help defense and post defense. I love Payton, but he wont be more than an average starter if he cant develop a consistent jump shot (which i hope and believe he can develop). But we still need quality talent, via draft, trade or signing.

[Nyce_1]

No coincidence that the Kings got serious with their search when our spot opened up. Hope we hire him to screw them....again, lol.

[TreasureCoast]

Thinking Karl might have used us.....

[tooler]

Thinking Karl might have used us.....

That's okay. If we never called him, it's not like we got left at the altar.

[akhenaten]

The Magic's M.O. Will be to wait until the good candidates are hired to do anything. While Hennigan sits on his hands--again-- the Kings will get George Karl. Anyone who thinks he is not the best available coach on the market is delusional. Malone and Mark Jackson don't have much more experience than Vaughn, and Karl is better than Skiles. What were they doing the whole time the world was reporting they were firing Vaughn, while they were silent? Nothing? You would hope the delay was because they were lining up candidates, but apparently not.

[tiderulz]

Thinking Karl might have used us.....

naa, he just wants to coach period, first team to get him wins

[OrlChamps2030]

you would think that if the magic were serious about going after karl, he would've been contacted by them by now. and I don't think he would be tweeting all that stuff if he were contacted. I'm thinking we are sticking with Borrego until the season is over to get in a good position for lottery. karl might be gone by then. so it's Malone? or gulp...skiles? I'm starting to think there are some real legs to this skiles stuff.

Jock only got fired 2 days ago so for all we know we may not have contacted anyone formally. The coaching fraternity is pretty tight knit, it is looked down upon to interview while another coach is still in place.

This is starting to seem more and more like Karl is just using us though.

[Jkam31]

He did the same thing with us but on radio I really believe he is using you guys as leverage.

@carmichaeldave has the kings hiring a coach in the near future and he is saying it probably would be Karl. He even changed his avi to a picture if Karl. Unfortunately for you guys I think he would pick Cousins/Gay over you're young talent.

Ps. Hire Malone you won't regret it


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Karl's tweets on Magic:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/CoachKarl22/status/563488711279538177[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/CoachKarl22/status/563534531114725376[/tweet]
[tweet]https://twitter.com/FadeMartins/status/563705122300391424[/tweet]

Karl's Tweets on Kings: Silence

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[Furinkazan]

ezzzp - you kind of suck as a fan. I, as a fan do not like watching my team lose every fkin night. I do not give a crap about the lottery. I want to see this team win now.

Destin, you're kind of not very intelligent as a fan. I as a fan of the Magic since day 1, do not want to watch my team be stuck on a treadmill of mediocrity for a decade because it blew its last opportunity to draft a franchise player.

Do some research, and educate yourself on how rare it is for teams that do not draft a franchise player get to contention level. We need talent (big picture) not the instant gratification of a handful of meaningless wins.

Cant have said it any better. This is our last chance to get a franchise player.

none of above are franchise type of talent
Its another medicore or solid at best Gordon/Harkless
none of them are game changer