Orlando Magic Free Agency Guide (Cap Info UPDATED page 37)

[Skin]

Why are people wanting Barnes? We just freed up room by trading Tobias and now we want to add a guy who plays the same position??? $16M for Tobias was a better deal than $23M for Barnes too.

Not only that, we'd have to use up our free cap space to go for him. At least with Fournier, we can use our cap space on others and then go over the cap to keep him.

Read the first line of the post.

This wasn't just directed at you. A bunch of people here want Barnes. ...and you DID make a player card for him, so I thought you wanted him here. Guess not?

[ezzzp]

And Harrison Barnes is more realistic than Whiteside? He is restricted and unless the Warriors chase a big name he is likely to be back. Plus I am not so sure he is any different then Gordon and I don't think we need a three. If we do add more wing men it will probably be guys who can shoot really well. Plus we would have to wait on the warriors.

Do you have reading comprehension problems?

Well, he did bring up one point that I didn't think of... that we'd have to wait 3 days to see if the Warriors match and in the meantime, other FAs are being gobbled up.

Similar thing can happen with any free agent...which is exactly why I said that Rob Hennigan will likely test the waters with Whiteside's agent and not waste time chasing someone that isn't serious about playing in Orlando in the first place...

[ezzzp]

Why are people wanting Barnes? We just freed up room by trading Tobias and now we want to add a guy who plays the same position??? $16M for Tobias was a better deal than $23M for Barnes too.

Not only that, we'd have to use up our free cap space to go for him. At least with Fournier, we can use our cap space on others and then go over the cap to keep him.

Read the first line of the post.

This wasn't just directed at you. A bunch of people here want Barnes. ...and you DID make a player card for him, so I thought you wanted him here. Guess not?

like i said read the first line.

[Nyce_1]

The thing about Conley is Gasol came back to play with him. Think it was Lowe that said in his podcast, Gasol came back because he knew Conley would be re-signing. If they have a strong bond, it'll be hard to lure him away.

It's going to be tough to get 1 star alone and our best bet is to be able to sign 2 at the same time.

[Skin]

I don't think the Magic have any shot at Whiteside. He is even more of a longshot than Durant in my opinion.

Max money offers will be there for him from many teams; plus Miami can offer him higher raises, lifestyle and no state tax.

He is know for having a personality that is all about Hassan all the time. I don't really care about that - but that type of personality is going to want to live in a major city, not in a small conservative family community.

If he was all about winning, I'd say there was a chance as maybe RH can convince him of a future. But he doesn't care about basketball or winning - its just his meal ticket...and that's totally fine, but it again makes Orlando a very unlikely destination for him.

New York, Brooklyn and LA are already preparing offers. At the trade deadline, Lakers were rumored to have tried to trade for him.

I don't have as much trouble with his issues as others do, but I just don't think the Magic have any chance at signing him...but I do think RH at minimum calls his agent to test the water.

Regardless, I would give it my best shot. I hate being such a soft team.

A casual call to his agent is minimum effort and that is not gonna help our cause if we really want him.

No matter who are top FA target is... we need to roll out the red carpet and chase him with tenacity.

For me, that guy is Whiteside.... unlikely odds? I don't deny that. Skiles is a numbskull with an ego that probably discounts us more than anything. But this is a forum and I like saying what I would prefer.

[ezzzp]

The thing about Conley is Gasol came back to play with him. Think it was Lowe that said in his podcast, Gasol came back because he knew Conley would be re-signing. If they have a strong bond, it'll be hard to lure him away.

It's going to be tough to get 1 star alone and our best bet is to be able to sign 2 at the same time.

I agree it will be a tough decision for Conley. A lot depends on Gasol's foot - he may never be the same. There are conflicting reports about the severity.:

In addition to potentially derailing any realistic notion the team had about competing for an NBA title in 2015/16, the injury to Gasol could also spell the end of point guard Mike Conley‘s tenure in Memphis.

Conley is set to become an unrestricted free agent this summer and any potential long term impact to Gasol’s health and productivity could nudge the point guard toward another franchise come July. While the Grizzlies remain publicly optimistic that Gasol will make a full recovery and be ready for the start of the 2016/17 season, a physical therapist who is well-versed in the recovery process the big man will undergo told Peter Edmiston of The Commercial Appeal that there is less than a 10% chance that the Spaniard will return to his pre-injury form. Only time will tell if Gasol will be the player we are used to seeing when he makes his way back, but this offseason will likely be Conley’s last chance at a significant long-term payday. He may decide that risking his last remaining peak seasons on the durability of Gasol’s right foot isn’t the smart play and bolt for what he perceives to be greener pastures.

Grizzlies executive VP of player personnel Ed Stefanski expressed confidence about the team’s ability to re-sign Mike Conley, said the team thinks Marc Gasol will have recovered from his broken foot in time for training camp and explained that the team’s belief that Courtney Lee would leave via free agency led the Grizzlies to trade him. Stefanski made his comments in an appearance on SiriusXM NBA Radio’s “The Starting Lineup” show (transcription in three Twitter links).

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[Skin]

Read the first line of the post.

This wasn't just directed at you. A bunch of people here want Barnes. ...and you DID make a player card for him, so I thought you wanted him here. Guess not?

like i said read the first line.

Stop being condescending. Can we try to have a mature conversation from you today? Your first line doesn't explain your stance on whether you want Barnes here or not. You couldn't have put it any better as far as standing on the fence.

Plus, I clarified that my post was not only directed to you, but to any of those who want Barnes here.

[ezzzp]

A casual call to his agent is minimum effort and that is not gonna help our cause if we really want him.

No matter who are top FA target is... we need to roll out the red carpet and chase him with tenacity.

For me, that guy is Whiteside.... unlikely odds? I don't deny that. Skiles is a numbskull with an ego that probably discounts us more than anything. But this is a forum and I like saying what I would prefer.

So you are worried about chasing restricted free agents because of the 3 day wait period, but would risk Hennigan wasting the opportunity to roll out the red carpet to a more realistic target? The call to his agent will tell him if its a waste of time or not.

No GM ever rolls out the red carpet without first contacting the player's agent, even super aggressive GM's like Cuban had a discussion with DJ's agent and had players putting feelers out to make sure it wasn't a wasted effort.

[ezzzp]

This wasn't just directed at you. A bunch of people here want Barnes. ...and you DID make a player card for him, so I thought you wanted him here. Guess not?

like i said read the first line.

Stop being condescending. Can we try to have a mature conversation from you today? Your first line doesn't explain your stance on whether you want Barnes here or not. You couldn't have put it any better as far as standing on the fence.

Plus, I clarified that my post was not only directed to you, but to any of those who want Barnes here.

look at your words and the letter's I bolded...plus I already pointed to you the first paragraph of my post that said it was going to be a series of posts about free agent candidates, barnes was just the first one...

[Skin]

Do you have reading comprehension problems?

Well, he did bring up one point that I didn't think of... that we'd have to wait 3 days to see if the Warriors match and in the meantime, other FAs are being gobbled up.

Similar thing can happen with any free agent...which is exactly why I said that Rob Hennigan will likely test the waters with Whiteside's agent and not waste time chasing someone that isn't serious about playing in Orlando in the first place...

That clarification makes more sense, but I imagine that would happen before FA starts.

[Skin]

like i said read the first line.

Stop being condescending. Can we try to have a mature conversation from you today? Your first line doesn't explain your stance on whether you want Barnes here or not. You couldn't have put it any better as far as standing on the fence.

Plus, I clarified that my post was not only directed to you, but to any of those who want Barnes here.

look at your words and the letter's I bolded...plus I already pointed to you the first paragraph of my post that said it was going to be a series of posts about free agent candidates, barnes was just the first one...

It's perfectly reasonable to assume that someone doing what you're doing would start it off by doing someone they would want. But I got what you said... That's why I said... "Guess not?"

Now, I guess we both agree Barnes is not a good target for us. But thanks for the player card....

[Patrick1978]

Regardless, I would give it my best shot. I hate being such a soft team.

A casual call to his agent is minimum effort and that is not gonna help our cause if we really want him.

No matter who are top FA target is... we need to roll out the red carpet and chase him with tenacity.

For me, that guy is Whiteside.... unlikely odds? I don't deny that. Skiles is a numbskull with an ego that probably discounts us more than anything. But this is a forum and I like saying what I would prefer.

May be whiteside will sign if we offer him a lot.
If not we can still go for mahinmi who would also be good

[Skin]

A casual call to his agent is minimum effort and that is not gonna help our cause if we really want him.

No matter who are top FA target is... we need to roll out the red carpet and chase him with tenacity.

For me, that guy is Whiteside.... unlikely odds? I don't deny that. Skiles is a numbskull with an ego that probably discounts us more than anything. But this is a forum and I like saying what I would prefer.

So you are worried about chasing restricted free agents because of the 3 day wait period, but would risk Hennigan wasting the opportunity to roll out the red carpet to a more realistic target? The call to his agent will tell him if its a waste of time or not.

No GM ever rolls out the red carpet without first contacting the player's agent, even super aggressive GM's like Cuban had a discussion with DJ's agent and had players putting feelers out to make sure it wasn't a wasted effort.

That's not what you initially said. It sounded like your attempt to chase Whiteside in FA was to give his agent a call instead of rolling out the red carpet. Nothing was said about that call being preparatory to making the chase. Sounded like that WAS the chase.

[ezzzp]

Well, he did bring up one point that I didn't think of... that we'd have to wait 3 days to see if the Warriors match and in the meantime, other FAs are being gobbled up.

Similar thing can happen with any free agent...which is exactly why I said that Rob Hennigan will likely test the waters with Whiteside's agent and not waste time chasing someone that isn't serious about playing in Orlando in the first place...

That clarification makes more sense, but I imagine that would happen before FA starts.

Yes that's why I said that he would already have done his homework and be aware of chances as he can only be at one doorstep at 12:01 on the first day of Free Agency.

[ezzzp]

A casual call to his agent is minimum effort and that is not gonna help our cause if we really want him.

No matter who are top FA target is... we need to roll out the red carpet and chase him with tenacity.

For me, that guy is Whiteside.... unlikely odds? I don't deny that. Skiles is a numbskull with an ego that probably discounts us more than anything. But this is a forum and I like saying what I would prefer.

So you are worried about chasing restricted free agents because of the 3 day wait period, but would risk Hennigan wasting the opportunity to roll out the red carpet to a more realistic target? The call to his agent will tell him if its a waste of time or not.

No GM ever rolls out the red carpet without first contacting the player's agent, even super aggressive GM's like Cuban had a discussion with DJ's agent and had players putting feelers out to make sure it wasn't a wasted effort.

That's not what you initially said. It sounded like your attempt to chase Whiteside in FA was to give his agent a call instead of rolling out the red carpet. Nothing was said about that call being preparatory to making the chase. Sounded like that WAS the chase.

What else would it be besides being preparatory work for where to be at 12:01 of free agency? to share recipe's?

[ezzzp]

Stop being condescending. Can we try to have a mature conversation from you today? Your first line doesn't explain your stance on whether you want Barnes here or not. You couldn't have put it any better as far as standing on the fence.

Plus, I clarified that my post was not only directed to you, but to any of those who want Barnes here.

look at your words and the letter's I bolded...plus I already pointed to you the first paragraph of my post that said it was going to be a series of posts about free agent candidates, barnes was just the first one...

It's perfectly reasonable to assume that someone doing what you're doing would start it off by doing someone they would want. But I got what you said... That's why I said... "Guess not?"

Now, I guess we both agree Barnes is not a good target for us. But thanks for the player card....

I'm not opposed to Barnes if Hennigan chooses to go after him as that would indicate his scouting thinks he can take the next step. Like you said he is kind of like Harris, but the only difference is he's a deadly shooter, longer and 10x better defender.

You said you would prefer to keep Fournier as the Magic can go over the cap. My thought on that are that if Hennigan prognosticates Barnes to be a bigger talent than Fournier and Oladipo, then his decision wouldn't be about Evan vs Barnes, but rather Barnes starting at the 3 while keeping Fournier at SG and deciding on Evan vs Victor next summer.

[Skin]

So you are worried about chasing restricted free agents because of the 3 day wait period, but would risk Hennigan wasting the opportunity to roll out the red carpet to a more realistic target? The call to his agent will tell him if its a waste of time or not.

No GM ever rolls out the red carpet without first contacting the player's agent, even super aggressive GM's like Cuban had a discussion with DJ's agent and had players putting feelers out to make sure it wasn't a wasted effort.

That's not what you initially said. It sounded like your attempt to chase Whiteside in FA was to give his agent a call instead of rolling out the red carpet. Nothing was said about that call being preparatory to making the chase. Sounded like that WAS the chase.

What else would it be besides being preparatory work for where to be at 12:01 of free agency? to share recipe's?

Stay classy.

[ezzzp]

That's not what you initially said. It sounded like your attempt to chase Whiteside in FA was to give his agent a call instead of rolling out the red carpet. Nothing was said about that call being preparatory to making the chase. Sounded like that WAS the chase.

What else would it be besides being preparatory work for where to be at 12:01 of free agency? to share recipe's?

Stay classy.

[LBPTarHeel27]

yeah I totally agree. Plus it just makes economic sense as the cap is going up again next offseason so why not cash in on that rise in max numbers.

I really don't understand why you guys would think they'll stick together. They seem to have a good relationship where they can share the spotlight...but from a pure basketball perspective, they could each do much better. They don't fit together. They are both extremely ball dominant and while they can coexist on the floor, they don't play off of each other well. Contracts aside, I don't see why would they want to stay together after this summer or next. Let's say Durant takes the 1&1 deal and returns to OKC next year....and they don't win the title...again. If you are either of them...why would you want to keep trying the same thing. Isn't that the true definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over...and expecting different results? They are two of the NBA's best but they do not work as a unit.

Uh have u been watching or even seeing the numbers because Westbrook is becoming more and more of a true PG and not having to be the man. And even so they still have had tremendous success when both are healthy. And outside of the Warriors the Thunder are one of the best teams so not sure how you can say they don't work together. And it also makes economic sense to sign a one deal as he can take advantage of the rise in cap numbers. Plus if he waits one year then both him and Westbrook can leave.I don't think it is insane if he returns there at all.I would say they are one of the few options for him. OKC, Washington and then Golden State are pretty much it and OKC does make a lot of sense for him. And you are only trying the same thing if that actually happens again and there is no guarantee that it will. These are competitive guys and if anyone has a chance at dethroning the Warriors it is OKC so not sure where the better option is. And most of those options if there are any will likely still be there.

Let me first clarify by saying that I am right there with you when it comes to the 1&1. That makes perfect sense. I am saying beyond that, if they don't win a title...why would they continue beating a dead horse entering the second half of their prime? Yes, Westbrook has truly evolved and become a player that can be on the floor with Durant but he is at his best when he can truly dominate the ball and be the playmaker he wants to be. The same goes for Durant. Right now, OKC appears to have the best chance at taking down GSW but I am saying if they fail this year and next to actually take them down...why keep trying with the same co-star?

[Skin]

What else would it be besides being preparatory work for where to be at 12:01 of free agency? to share recipe's?

Stay classy.

Mods, ban this troll.

Soft is making all the effort to do a FA player card and then when called out on the target you say you never wanted him.