The Trade Thread II

[Magic_Johnny12]

as for Ibaka trades
any of these interested teams will send crap our way...

Wiz propably would be trading Morris+Oubre (with their recent success they woudnt want to part with importand player Porter is)
Hou would dump Brewer as they are shopping him hard and add some young for us to bite prolly Dekker or KJ or Harrell .YUCK.
Indiana propably wants to dump Young or more likely Ellis on us and they would add young like Robinson to sweaten the deal.
Toronto trade offers were beaten to death so Im not looking into it.

out of them propably Wizards offer would be best talentwise
who else was there?

San Antonio/Portland/Boston

meh I dont see anything that would make ton of sense

as some of you already stated SA dont have players with matching salary outside of Danny Green or other vets
Portalnd scrubs arent very good (If we will trade for Crabbe I will burn all my magic merchendise and become Twolves fan- ...if Henny is willing to pay that scrub Crabbe contract whie didnt want to pay Dipos new contract I will go berserk)
Boston has many young players and options but Ainge is lowballing everybody with his crap proposals like Young and Jackson it would be nice to get Brown or Rozier or both (for either Ibaka or Vuc or both yeah both)but the leftover NBDL type of youngs who cant smell the court... like Young and Jackson ...is omg gtfo Ainge.

Brown would be awesome. I would hate to lose Vuc, but if it was something like the following I would def. pull the trigger. This would also help us tank hard and probably jump into the top 3 and bring up Big Zim to get some burn.

Vucevic
Ibaka

for

Johnson
Brown
Olynk
Memphis 1st

Payton
Fournier
Brown
Gordon
Biyombo

[JAY DASH]

Any deal with the Spurs should include Kyle Anderson, too. That kid has potential to be a great glue guy, too.

we dont need glue guys, role players. We need an Alpha dog.

Of course, but what proposed Ibaka trades have you seen netting us that?

I think Anderson could be a Turk level glue guy (but an even better 2 way player) in his prime. I wouldn't look down on players like that.

Yea that's a no for me dawg. Kyle's awful. Simmons has a much higher upside IMO.

I'm still on the Wilson Chandler and Murray or Hernangomez for Ibaka and Hezonja wagon. 26/9/4 for Wilson last night. Murray had 14. They probably laugh at us but I'd have to offer it. Only knock on Wilson is injuries, but his contract is great and he can fill it up. Not many true wing scorers that are available right now.

[JAY DASH]

Just curious what do the spurs want ibaka for when they have LA and Pau?

Pau's numbers have been down significantly this season and he will probably retire soon, he's 37. LMA and Serge would be a good combo.

That frontline would be ok against GS....would get abused by teams with one or two true big men. Two somewhat soft PF's that don't rebound. Pau only plays 26 minutes and still averages more boards than both of them. Offensively it would be a nice combo though I do agree with that.

[ButchMcRae]

There hasn't been one trade scenario I have read out in the media world that I have liked or felt would change the course of this franchise. One thing I have learned since Henny has been our GM is that there isn't any deal that he's done that was a correct rumor before the transaction. He keeps things so close to the chest that it almost always seem so left field. This trade deadline cant come soon enough.

[Magic_Johnny12]

There hasn't been one trade scenario I have read out in the media world that I have liked or felt would change the course of this franchise. One thing I have learned since Henny has been our GM is that there isn't any deal that he's done that was a correct rumor before the transaction. He keeps things so close to the chest that it almost always seem so left field. This trade deadline cant come soon enough.

I agree 100%

[Skybox]

There hasn't been one trade scenario I have read out in the media world that I have liked or felt would change the course of this franchise. One thing I have learned since Henny has been our GM is that there isn't any deal that he's done that was a correct rumor before the transaction. He keeps things so close to the chest that it almost always seem so left field. This trade deadline cant come soon enough.

So true. I never watch a second of his interviews...Only because he says NOTHING! (admirable)

[ButchMcRae]

There hasn't been one trade scenario I have read out in the media world that I have liked or felt would change the course of this franchise. One thing I have learned since Henny has been our GM is that there isn't any deal that he's done that was a correct rumor before the transaction. He keeps things so close to the chest that it almost always seem so left field. This trade deadline cant come soon enough.

So true. I never watch a second of his interviews...Only because he says NOTHING! (admirable)

His interviews answers are extremely broad. His interview with Scott Anez and Mike Bianchi were all politically correct responses but really didn't say too much. Which is why I personally think the rumor of Magic offering Vooch and a First Rounder for Dragic isn't 100% accurate.

[pepe1991]

At least we gave Anthony Brown fair chance. He had honor of watching Jefff Green play from court seats.

[the_hobo]

AG00 for AN44

In all honesty, I don't see anyone redeeming our team this year. I think we need to blow it up again.

[tiderulz]

as for Ibaka trades
any of these interested teams will send crap our way...

Wiz propably would be trading Morris+Oubre (with their recent success they woudnt want to part with importand player Porter is)
Hou would dump Brewer as they are shopping him hard and add some young for us to bite prolly Dekker or KJ or Harrell .YUCK.
Indiana propably wants to dump Young or more likely Ellis on us and they would add young like Robinson to sweaten the deal.
Toronto trade offers were beaten to death so Im not looking into it.

out of them propably Wizards offer would be best talentwise
who else was there?

San Antonio/Portland/Boston

meh I dont see anything that would make ton of sense

as some of you already stated SA dont have players with matching salary outside of Danny Green or other vets
Portalnd scrubs arent very good (If we will trade for Crabbe I will burn all my magic merchendise and become Twolves fan- ...if Henny is willing to pay that scrub Crabbe contract whie didnt want to pay Dipos new contract I will go berserk)
Boston has many young players and options but Ainge is lowballing everybody with his crap proposals like Young and Jackson it would be nice to get Brown or Rozier or both (for either Ibaka or Vuc or both yeah both)but the leftover NBDL type of youngs who cant smell the court... like Young and Jackson ...is omg gtfo Ainge.

cant get on board for Rozier, he sucks. 38% from the field, up from 27% last year. 31% from 3 pt land. avg to small size for PG at 6'2.

[tiderulz]

There hasn't been one trade scenario I have read out in the media world that I have liked or felt would change the course of this franchise. One thing I have learned since Henny has been our GM is that there isn't any deal that he's done that was a correct rumor before the transaction. He keeps things so close to the chest that it almost always seem so left field. This trade deadline cant come soon enough.

problem is, we dont have a player with enough value that could change the course of the franchise in a trade. The most valuable player we have is an UFA in 30+ games, thus lowering his value

[rcklsscognition]

No trade here is going to save us. Simply looking for a role player/specialist on a good deal for next season and a pick. Will have to strike it rich in FA this summer and/or draft a stud. If we don't do both, would not expect the playoffs next year, would be a complete loss of 2 years of the rebuild. We would revert back to year 4 of the plan, the year we expect to get close to the playoffs but don't expect to make them. Then fast forward to 2018-2019 and that is the year we expect to make the playoffs.

[npiper17]

I think there's a decent chance Ibaka can fetch something or value - a young player or a mid to high first rounder (or future first).

The recent inconsistency of the Celtics / Raptors help our cause as they struggle to separate themsleves from the likes of Washington and Atlanta in the East. The trouble is I feel both Ainge and Ujiri err on the side of not making a deal rather than making one.

Portland is interesting re their pick though we'd have to throw in at least Hezonja for that to come into the conversation.

Three weeks tomorrow...

[Furinkazan]

well dudes
we are looking at a decade rebuild plan now anyway barring some miracle happen

Ibaka basicly gone so we wasted one year of tanking in Dipo and 2nd year of semi tanking with 11th in that deal
also failed on 5th Mario...
3 years of tanking dumped into a trash can

clock is ticking on both AG and Payton and they dont impress me ...just one more year left while we have been praying for a breakout for the last 1-2 years...
yeah sure I agree they improved some but its not a breakout year (again) for any of them
last chance is almost around the corner in a year we will be looking at what to do with them resign or? ...lets say they improve just a bit again ....so?
that still wont be a level we were looking for
right now its a cry for a breakout or bust
aplogysts will find a a way to defend them like AG out of position blah blah but this still doesnt change fact they didnt breakout
and 2 amazing games from AG isnt enough... flashes?
plenty medicore to solid players shown flashes at young age... Uncle Jeff AG idol prime example

[OrlandoDream]

I think there's a decent chance Ibaka can fetch something or value - a young player or a mid to high first rounder (or future first).

The recent inconsistency of the Celtics / Raptors help our cause as they struggle to separate themsleves from the likes of Washington and Atlanta in the East. The trouble is I feel both Ainge and Ujiri err on the side of not making a deal rather than making one.

Portland is interesting re their pick though we'd have to throw in at least Hezonja for that to come into the conversation.

Three weeks tomorrow...

Portland pick this year will be 12-16 imo. I will gladly throw in Mario to have a shot at someone like Bridges or Tatum in that range.

[Dgbarnes]

I think there's a decent chance Ibaka can fetch something or value - a young player or a mid to high first rounder (or future first).

The recent inconsistency of the Celtics / Raptors help our cause as they struggle to separate themsleves from the likes of Washington and Atlanta in the East. The trouble is I feel both Ainge and Ujiri err on the side of not making a deal rather than making one.

Portland is interesting re their pick though we'd have to throw in at least Hezonja for that to come into the conversation.

Three weeks tomorrow...

Portland pick this year will be 12-16 imo. I will gladly throw in Mario to have a shot at someone like Bridges or Tatum in that range.

Sign me up for that. Or even a 2019 1st rounder from Portland would be enticing. Could have 3 lotto picks in one year..

[Dr Positivity]

Throw in their 17 pick and I really dont see us getting a better offer. If POR would do that deal, I would pull it. Get some young wings, vonleh is still in his rookie scale and can play behind AG, and a 1st round in this draft. Dont see it getting any better.

Oh and we get rid of Jeff Green

Can't you guys just get Crabbe for Biyombo? Offense for defense move for Portland

[CeltsfaninDC]

cant get on board for Rozier, he sucks. 38% from the field, up from 27% last year. 31% from 3 pt land. avg to small size for PG at 6'2.

Those numbers really don't tell the story for this kid. He is very talented and hasn't had a chance to break into this lineup due to the logjam at G. He has at least 4 guys above him now, but he would be a great addition to any team where he could get minutes.

[cvMagic]

The problem with the Magic is simple and never really reported on. the owner is old as hell. Like death's doorstep old. Which makes his desperate. He's never won a chip and is desperate. Then, to make matters worse, he has continuously employed Martins as the head of the organization -a man who would easil;y make any top ten list for most inept and back-stabbing personnel man in the NBA.

That is a horrible combination. Horrible.

They are desperate for a chip and desperate for fans. Rewind this team 14 months ago and it is one of the most promising young teams in the NBA with numerous assets and flexibility.

NOW - there is literally - and I mean literally - ZERO hope of this team contending without completely bottoming out again and getting lucky in the lottery. They have zero hope and are destroying the value of all of their key assets by either playing them out of position or not playing them at all.

Hennigan is overmatched. Period. Why?
Because he is either making all of these horrible decisions or has no backbone to prevent them from happening. So... he's either inept or too worried about appeasing the boss and keeping his job than actually building a winner. It's one or the other (maybe both), but there is zero scenario in which Hennigan isn't fallible on one of those points.

This team has literally taken Oladipo, Tobias Harris, Harkless, Sabonis, Dedmon, etc., etc., etc., and turned it into ZERO hope for the future. Does anyone know how hard that is?

Add to that the complete mishandling of Gordon and Herzonja and the complete overestimation of Peyton and just... wow.

It is so very hard to be in such an abysmal position as the Magic are right now.

There is hope that they can get something of value for Ibaka. But unless thi team can turn him into a lottery pick this summer... anything they add is going to be more non-All Stars who keep the team mired in their hopeless situation of continuously drafting after all the potential superstars are long gone.

If this team truly wanted to be great - they would trade every veteran they could to acquire lottery picks THIS year. That is an EXTREMELY difficult thing to do as the types of teams willing to take on a veteran or an expiring are usually NOT involved in the lottery. There is a chance with Boston - but Ainge is so much smarter than anyone Orlando has in the front office - that anything less than a complete fleecing by Boston would shock me.

Anyhow, get what they can for Ibaka and the other (why the hell did they sign these guys) vetrans and immediately put Gordon at the 4 and Herzonja in the rotation. Play Peyton, Fournier, Herzonja, Gordon, and Vucevic as many minutes as humanly possible together and REALLY see what they have on hand. Then, hope with everything they've got that some/all start to show the real promise we all hoped they had.

Then take the obvious lottery selection the Magic will have with the hopes of one additional one they were able to pick up dealing the pointless veterans on the roster and pray to whatever deity necessary to get one of them to crack the top 3.

[Skybox]

The problem with the Magic is simple and never really reported on. the owner is old as hell. Like death's doorstep old. Which makes his desperate. He's never won a chip and is desperate. Then, to make matters worse, he has continuously employed Martins as the head of the organization -a man who would easil;y make any top ten list for most inept and back-stabbing personnel man in the NBA.

That is a horrible combination. Horrible.

They are desperate for a chip and desperate for fans. Rewind this team 14 months ago and it is one of the most promising young teams in the NBA with numerous assets and flexibility.

NOW - there is literally - and I mean literally - ZERO hope of this team contending without completely bottoming out again and getting lucky in the lottery. They have zero hope and are destroying the value of all of their key assets by either playing them out of position or not playing them at all.

Hennigan is overmatched. Period. Why?
Because he is either making all of these horrible decisions or has no backbone to prevent them from happening. So... he's either inept or too worried about appeasing the boss and keeping his job than actually building a winner. It's one or the other (maybe both), but there is zero scenario in which Hennigan isn't fallible on one of those points.

This team has literally taken Oladipo, Tobias Harris, Harkless, Sabonis, Dedmon, etc., etc., etc., and turned it into ZERO hope for the future. Does anyone know how hard that is?

Add to that the complete mishandling of Gordon and Herzonja and the complete overestimation of Peyton and just... wow.

It is so very hard to be in such an abysmal position as the Magic are right now.

There is hope that they can get something of value for Ibaka. But unless thi team can turn him into a lottery pick this summer... anything they add is going to be more non-All Stars who keep the team mired in their hopeless situation of continuously drafting after all the potential superstars are long gone.

If this team truly wanted to be great - they would trade every veteran they could to acquire lottery picks THIS year. That is an EXTREMELY difficult thing to do as the types of teams willing to take on a veteran or an expiring are usually NOT involved in the lottery. There is a chance with Boston - but Ainge is so much smarter than anyone Orlando has in the front office - that anything less than a complete fleecing by Boston would shock me.

Anyhow, get what they can for Ibaka and the other (why the hell did they sign these guys) vetrans and immediately put Gordon at the 4 and Herzonja in the rotation. Play Peyton, Fournier, Herzonja, Gordon, and Vucevic as many minutes as humanly possible together and REALLY see what they have on hand. Then, hope with everything they've got that some/all start to show the real promise we all hoped they had.

Then take the obvious lottery selection the Magic will have with the hopes of one additional one they were able to pick up dealing the pointless veterans on the roster and pray to whatever deity necessary to get one of them to crack the top 3.

I like your first paragraph and your last two. Mediocre Oladipo, Harris, Sabonis, Dedmon have become all-stars in the sour memory of a lot of fans... and for that matter, Skiles. I like that he swung and missed...Honestly, where would we be with those guys...5 games better? I don't think anyone knew Dedmon was on the team and now he's the one that got away because he's contributing in SA.