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Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team"

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#121 » by basketballRob » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:05 pm

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MagicFan101 wrote:Minny fans online are happy. Suggesting they swoop in with an offer of Culver + #17.

Does anyone do this?

I haven't kept up with Culver this year but snooping around on their board, they think he's 6th man at best. So going by the assessment of the fans that watched him all season, 6th man + mid pick in a weak draft for AG....Pass.

now, i liked him coming out of the draft and felt he just needed to improve his shooting. If he has the foundation to build on, and we HAD to trade AG...I wouldn't mind Culver + different pick (maybe '21 or '22).
He's the near the exact same size a Vassell. Culver has a 6'9.50" wingspan, Vassell 6"9.25". Culver is 6 months older. Culver 6'6.50". Vassell 6'6".

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#122 » by Dub_Sax » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:12 pm

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Good. FOH.


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RookieStar wrote:Wow.. Roco and Holiday got those? Wonder what AG would fetch.

Also, Bucks going all.in this season. If they win it all and Giannis leaves I think itl be worth it.


Probably more than Por was willing to give up so they traded for Roco instead.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#123 » by Xatticus » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:19 pm

Ducklett wrote:Culver was statistically one of the worst players in the NBA.


He wasn’t. Minnesota was fine with him on the floor. Bad players make their teams worse. He shot poorly, but improved as the season wore on. I’d do it. He has no place in Minnesota at this point. He’ll be solid defensively. I was really impressed with him when I watched him in college. It’s a gamble, but I think it’s good value.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#124 » by BlueBlazer » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:24 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:Minny fans online are happy. Suggesting they swoop in with an offer of Culver + #17.

Does anyone do this?

I haven't kept up with Culver this year but snooping around on their board, they think he's 6th man at best. So going by the assessment of the fans that watched him all season, 6th man + mid pick in a weak draft for AG....Pass.

now, i liked him coming out of the draft and felt he just needed to improve his shooting. If he has the foundation to build on, and we HAD to trade AG...I wouldn't mind Culver + different pick (maybe '21 or '22).

People poopoo AG’s value yet want him on their team, lol
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#125 » by tiderulz » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:31 pm

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Ducklett wrote:Culver was statistically one of the worst players in the NBA.


He wasn’t. Minnesota was fine with him on the floor. Bad players make their teams worse. He shot poorly, but improved as the season wore on. I’d do it. He has no place in Minnesota at this point. He’ll be solid defensively. I was really impressed with him when I watched him in college. It’s a gamble, but I think it’s good value.

yeah, he wasnt a stat special, but he was a winner in college, did the dirty work, defense, came up with crucial plays. He would have gotten along with Jimmy Butler
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#126 » by RookieStar » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:51 pm

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Nyce_1 wrote:
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Good. FOH.


Dub_Sax wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Wow.. Roco and Holiday got those? Wonder what AG would fetch.

Also, Bucks going all.in this season. If they win it all and Giannis leaves I think itl be worth it.


Probably more than Por was willing to give up so they traded for Roco instead.

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#127 » by Skin » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:52 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
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Good. FOH.

This better mean they have AG lined up in a trade to get into the Top 3.
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Post#128 » by thelead » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:00 pm

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Post#129 » by The Real Dalic » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:05 pm

I'm trying to decide if I like an AG for Culver and 17 trade. I think I'm leaning towards being okay with it. But I also feel like we could get more for him. If that were to happen though, I think I'd be okay with it.
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Post#130 » by thelead » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:17 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:I'm trying to decide if I like an AG for Culver and 17 trade. I think I'm leaning towards being okay with it. But I also feel like we could get more for him. If that were to happen though, I think I'd be okay with it.

I would rather trade AG and Evan for Westbrook... and I'm not keen on trading for Westbrook to begin with.
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Post#131 » by RookieStar » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:19 pm

I keep hearing Culver. But what is he? What does he do for us? Is he aPG/SG/SF? Scorer or defender? etc etc
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Post#132 » by The Real Dalic » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:28 pm

RookieStar wrote:I keep hearing Culver. But what is he? What does he do for us? Is he aPG/SG/SF? Scorer or defender? etc etc

I think he's more of a defensive young bench player that plays mostly the 2. He could grow into something more offensively though.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#133 » by The Real Dalic » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:32 pm

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The Real Dalic wrote:I'm trying to decide if I like an AG for Culver and 17 trade. I think I'm leaning towards being okay with it. But I also feel like we could get more for him. If that were to happen though, I think I'd be okay with it.

I would rather trade AG and Evan for Westbrook... and I'm not keen on trading for Westbrook to begin with.

I would love a trade for Westbrook without giving Vuc up.

As for Culver, isn't that what a lot of this fanbase wants in trades? A young player, who hasn't been in the league long, who hasn't been given a bunch of time to play and fully show what he can do as well as get a pick? I wouldn't mind taking the flyer. But I also would try to get more before I pull the trigger. It would be more like a last resort.

Personally, I would try to get Beasley from the Wolves instead. Something like AG and Fournier for Beasley, Culver, and #17 if we could somehow make that work. That would be the type of deal I'd be looking for.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#134 » by Xatticus » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:37 pm

RookieStar wrote:I keep hearing Culver. But what is he? What does he do for us? Is he aPG/SG/SF? Scorer or defender? etc etc


He's a 2/3. He is probably more 2 than 3. He is a defender. He has plus size and decent athleticism for a 2. He is not entirely raw offensively, but he shot very poorly last year. He really struggled at the free throw line, which is a bit concerning. Still, he was the centerpiece of the Texas Tech team that went all the way to the title game. They were the best defensive team in the country and their offense ran through him. It seems as though he is going to get squeezed out of their rotation due to the additions of Beasley and their top pick in this year's draft. His stock is down a bit right now and it won't climb back up if that is the case, so Minnesota might be willing to move him. They have another really good perimeter, on-ball defender in Okogie that gives them similar contributions. Culver is the better prospect though.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#135 » by j-ragg » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:57 pm

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RookieStar wrote:Wow.. Roco and Holiday got those? Wonder what AG would fetch.

Less. :lol:

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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#136 » by thelead » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:19 pm

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The Real Dalic wrote:I'm trying to decide if I like an AG for Culver and 17 trade. I think I'm leaning towards being okay with it. But I also feel like we could get more for him. If that were to happen though, I think I'd be okay with it.

I would rather trade AG and Evan for Westbrook... and I'm not keen on trading for Westbrook to begin with.

I would love a trade for Westbrook without giving Vuc up.

As for Culver, isn't that what a lot of this fanbase wants in trades? A young player, who hasn't been in the league long, who hasn't been given a bunch of time to play and fully show what he can do as well as get a pick? I wouldn't mind taking the flyer. But I also would try to get more before I pull the trigger. It would be more like a last resort.

Personally, I would try to get Beasley from the Wolves instead. Something like AG and Fournier for Beasley, Culver, and #17 if we could somehow make that work. That would be the type of deal I'd be looking for.

I want young players that have the potential to score efficiently and in big volumes
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#137 » by Ducklett » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:24 pm

Xatticus wrote:
Ducklett wrote:Culver was statistically one of the worst players in the NBA.


He wasn’t. Minnesota was fine with him on the floor. Bad players make their teams worse. He shot poorly, but improved as the season wore on. I’d do it. He has no place in Minnesota at this point. He’ll be solid defensively. I was really impressed with him when I watched him in college. It’s a gamble, but I think it’s good value.


He had a negative in every advanced stat that we track. He shot less than 30% from 3 and 46% from the free throw line. He played over 1500 minutes so it wasn't a extremely small sample size.

If AG for 17 and Culver meant trading everyone else and blowing it up, fine I'm down. But if the standard operating procedure of afk 8/9 seed is still on-going, I rather have AG.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#138 » by pepe1991 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:48 pm

Xatticus wrote:
Ducklett wrote:Culver was statistically one of the worst players in the NBA.


He wasn’t. Minnesota was fine with him on the floor. Bad players make their teams worse. He shot poorly, but improved as the season wore on. I’d do it. He has no place in Minnesota at this point. He’ll be solid defensively. I was really impressed with him when I watched him in college. It’s a gamble, but I think it’s good value.


I wouldn't put too much value in on /off court when team he plays has 19-45 record.

His RPM of -1,78 make him 85th ranked SG in nba.

His RAPTOR shows he is both offensive and defensive negative value.
His win share is negative.
His RAPTOR data is -3,8, witch means, among 255 players who played at least 1000 min in nba, he was 14# worst.

To be fair, he is rookie, and most of other players worst than him are also- rookies.
But i really struggle to find value in him. He is shooting guard who also can't shoot, pass, handle the ball nor defend. Where value for playing him will come from ?

For crying out loud, he can't even shoot 50% FTs .

It's not gamble, gambler play with assumption they can win, in this case this is classic example of draft bust who had solid sophmore college year, yet if you dig deeper writing of his limitations was on the wall, but scours acted blind on it.

At college he was 6'6 shooting gaurd that was shooting over opponents ( but never actually was good at shooting, 30% in second year for 3) , in nba he lacks speed, verticality, leaping or quickness to be player that will take guys off dribble, and in same time he is pathetic shooter to even be worth covering ( 46% FT shooter :noway: )





Guy year before nailed it. ( and got lot of crap for it in comments and dislikes ). He simply isn't REALLY good at anything, actually never was.
In year 1 he shot ugly but shot 38% for 3, in year 2 he reworked shot ,looked more pleasing to eye, but couldn't shoot ( 30% for 3) , entered NBA without any sort of jumpshot. Translated into his complete inability to shoot from any range in nba, including FT%.

Pretty much two- guard who can't play with ball, but also has no purpose off ball. Hard pass for me ( and T wolves who figured he is not nba level player after few months and traded for Malik Beasley, who actually can play basketball and who i cried for a trade for like year ).
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#139 » by RookieStar » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:08 pm

Xatticus wrote:
RookieStar wrote:I keep hearing Culver. But what is he? What does he do for us? Is he aPG/SG/SF? Scorer or defender? etc etc


He's a 2/3. He is probably more 2 than 3. He is a defender. He has plus size and decent athleticism for a 2. He is not entirely raw offensively, but he shot very poorly last year. He really struggled at the free throw line, which is a bit concerning. Still, he was the centerpiece of the Texas Tech team that went all the way to the title game. They were the best defensive team in the country and their offense ran through him. It seems as though he is going to get squeezed out of their rotation due to the additions of Beasley and their top pick in this year's draft. His stock is down a bit right now and it won't climb back up if that is the case, so Minnesota might be willing to move him. They have another really good perimeter, on-ball defender in Okogie that gives them similar contributions. Culver is the better prospect though.



Hmmm.. so a defensive sg/sf player that is not good offensively? *sigh* that sounds sooooo familiar to me.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VI: "I like this team" 

Post#140 » by Skybox » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:13 pm

Apparently, BOS has extended Gordon Hayward's opt-in decision date until Thursday. It's also been reported that he was offered in a Jrue trade...that sounds to me like they are collectively keeping contract status open so that an extension could be agreed to prior to a sign and trade. The only hesitations I'd have in trading for Hayward are his (possibly) expiring status and his future contract terms. If we could trade for him and have him under contract for a more reasonable amount, I'd love to see him work with Vuc.

I'd say Gordon and Evan for Hayward, Poirier(they want some cap relief) and #24...They can re-sign Evan in the summer if he lights it up for them or let him expire and enjoy the cap space. From what I've seen from BOS fans, money is an issue there. We come out of it instantly better, with a legit star, keeping our pick and adding another to take a big swing on whoever drops.

Trading Vuc for Hayward would make little sense as we'd be dancing between timelines.

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