Official Speculation Thread '20-'21 VII: Magic Expected To Retain Core

[jonbob17]

...and, look at other teams with opposing priorities this season (win-now)...couldn’t POR use Evan with CJ out? GSW?

With all of the injuries around the league, even as a rental, Evan should have value. AG also brings the versatility a well-stocked contender should throw away prospects for.

That's the thing with Evan, we can only move him to a team with space, a TPE, or an equal expiring coming back. We need his expiring salary to pay the extensions the FO made this offseason. Can always get a third team involved to take the matching salary, but they get compensated for that, and what is a Fournier rental worth anyways.

The smart move was to move him before the season started.

[jonbob17]

I think MIN not having their pick and ORL not having their best young guys (and having their pick) are on opposing trajectories this season. MIN wants/needs to win games...in theory, perfect trade partners.

KAT is soft and shoots 3’s all day. They have too many wings...we are lacking wings.

AG should be traded while he’s playing so well. He’d fit well with KAT. MCW is a solid vet who brings The D they lack as well.
ORL needs wing scoring and young upside.

AG + MCW
for Beasley, Jaden McDaniels, Hernangomez (money they regret)

Beasley’s scoring numbers are impressive, but, to my knowledge, he’s not a dominant-type scorer. Spend the rest of this season trying to move Evan (& Juancho?), playing Cole, Bamba, Okeke, McDaniels as much as they can. Don’t drive Vuc and TRoss into the ground in a lost season...That’s 4 prospects with real potential...if two reveal themselves to be good, I’m happy. If we lose along the way, I’m also Okay.

Minnesota gets their pick if it is top 3. They have a lot of incentive to lose a lot of games. They have no incentive to lose otherwise. If they aren't going to be good (they aren't), then they could certainly turn on the tank at some point.

Even if Minnesota tank and finish with one of the worst records the odds make it unlikely that they keep their pick, I mean it's possible, just not probable. They are a team where this intangible BS us Magic fans are peddled actually make sense. They need to figure out how to play good basketball around KAT, before he decides to move on. But who knows, the top of this draft class is rich, maybe they gamble.

GS has gotta feel good holding that Minny pick. Our brain trust should be trying to figure out the best way to get GS to pay us that pick. People are saying Wiggins is a different player. I look at his RAPTOR and it is awful like always. Still got to think that they would have to pay a lot(Minny pick) to move Wiggins. Maybe AG + Fournier would be enough, or Vuc possibly with a third team involved.

[swarlesbarkley]

I’d rather stay away from Porter. This kid needs to get his life in order, and basketball needs to wait. This franchise is in a big enough hole. The last thing it needs is to babysit some guy struggling to be an adult. I’d rather give a really mature G-League guy a shot.

Couldn't you describe our whole team already as a bunch of mature G-leaguers?

WeHam has done a good job cultivating a mature culture here and creating space for whatever a player needs (Fultz) - if they think they can work with KPjr I hope they make the move.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Anyone think Fournier is just being held out so he doesn’t get hurt and our FO is actually working trades for him?

[cedric76]

...and, look at other teams with opposing priorities this season (win-now)...couldn’t POR use Evan with CJ out? GSW?

With all of the injuries around the league, even as a rental, Evan should have value. AG also brings the versatility a well-stocked contender should throw away prospects for.

That's the thing with Evan, we can only move him to a team with space, a TPE, or an equal expiring coming back. We need his expiring salary to pay the extensions the FO made this offseason. Can always get a third team involved to take the matching salary, but they get compensated for that, and what is a Fournier rental worth anyways.

The smart move was to move him before the season started.

What are you talking about? We can trade Evan to non expiring contract if we want to. Nothing to do with the extentions we signed for fultz and isaac

[nicnac215]

At this point we should be calling up Michael Beasley to take minutes from Clark and Ennis

[orlando_joe]

magic generally do not bring in guys with character problems..beasley has them ..i see these kind of trades brought up by magic fans and ..its like they dont take into account this fact? there are some players magic wont bring in its been that way inmo

[j-ragg]

Anyone think Fournier is just being held out so he doesn’t get hurt and our FO is actually working trades for him?

You know the answer to that. At least the last part.

[drsd]

Anyone think Fournier is just being held out so he doesn’t get hurt and our FO is actually working trades for him?

I for one do not. Fournier is in a contract year and thus wants to show his value. Yes management could hold him out, but if that were the case, he would complain.

And Fournier's twitter feed clearly has him laying down during interviews; his back is actually damaged.


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[jonbob17]

...and, look at other teams with opposing priorities this season (win-now)...couldn’t POR use Evan with CJ out? GSW?

With all of the injuries around the league, even as a rental, Evan should have value. AG also brings the versatility a well-stocked contender should throw away prospects for.

That's the thing with Evan, we can only move him to a team with space, a TPE, or an equal expiring coming back. We need his expiring salary to pay the extensions the FO made this offseason. Can always get a third team involved to take the matching salary, but they get compensated for that, and what is a Fournier rental worth anyways.

The smart move was to move him before the season started.

What are you talking about? We can trade Evan to non expiring contract if we want to. Nothing to do with the extentions we signed for fultz and isaac

After the extensions we have $124M on the books next year. So if we take back $18M a year in non expiring salary that puts us at $142M next year. So we could but we would be in the tax, and we would still need to fill two additional roster spots (Ennis and Birch are FAs).

[jonbob17]

Anyone think Fournier is just being held out so he doesn’t get hurt and our FO is actually working trades for him?

I for one do not. Fournier is in a contract year and thus wants to show his value. Yes management could hold him out, but if that were the case, he would complain.

And Fournier's twitter feed clearly has him laying down during interviews; his back is actually damaged.


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Even if they want to trade him, and who knows, they would have to get him conditioned and on the court to show he is healthy before they could trade him. He is definitely hurt.

[drsd]

After the extensions we have $124M on the books next year. So if we take back $18M a year in non expiring salary that puts us at $142M next year. So we could but we would be in the tax, and we would still need to fill two additional roster spots (Ennis and Birch are FAs).

Please let the Magic trade Aminu for a top-59 protected 2nd-round pick. There is so much leverage-value for Orlando to have him move on; even for NOTHING.


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[jonbob17]

Please let the Magic trade Aminu for a top-59 protected 2nd-round pick. There is so much leverage-value for Orlando to have him move on; even for NOTHING.


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Until Aminu can get healthy and show that he still knows how to play basketball, we probably have to add a pick to move him, and maybe a decent one, I would think it would be something equivalent to a late first rounder, but maybe a couple 2nds would be enough.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

Watch on YouTube

Make it happen. Dont serve chicken wings or soup in the locker room.

The first time I watched this may have been the 1st time I saw Cole Anthony. As excited as I was about him, KPJ looked money on EVERYTHING, on someone else's highlight reel! This kid has talent, I don't know about the rest, but I hope he gets right and is able to play. He is so smooth and fluid, just in this video alone.

I'm in the take a flyer group.

[drsd]

Please let the Magic trade Aminu for a top-59 protected 2nd-round pick. There is so much leverage-value for Orlando to have him move on; even for NOTHING.


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Until Aminu can get healthy and show that he still knows how to play basketball, we probably have to add a pick to move him, and maybe a decent one, I would think it would be something equivalent to a late first rounder, but maybe a couple 2nds would be enough.

I was not being serious. But to be serious, if a team wanted to trade for Fournier, Orlando might be well placed to require Aminu to be absorbed. Such as:

Fournier, Aminu and Mané to Boston for Marcus Smart, Romeo Langford, Aaron Nesmith and Grant Williams. That trade helps both teams this year. Boston is a title contender, and Orlando will not suck this year and gain some young assets for the future.


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[basketballRob]

Please let the Magic trade Aminu for a top-59 protected 2nd-round pick. There is so much leverage-value for Orlando to have him move on; even for NOTHING.


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Until Aminu can get healthy and show that he still knows how to play basketball, we probably have to add a pick to move him, and maybe a decent one, I would think it would be something equivalent to a late first rounder, but maybe a couple 2nds would be enough.

I was not being serious. But to be serious, if a team wanted to trade for Fournier, Orlando might be well placed to require Aminu to be absorbed. Such as:

Fournier, Aminu and Mané to Boston for Marcus Smart, Romeo Langford, Aaron Nesmith and Grant Williams. That trade helps both teams this year. Boston is a title contender, and Orlando will not suck this year and gain some young assets for the future.


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Boston wouldn't do that for a Fournier expiring and an injured Aminu. Can't see the Magic just throwing Mane in a deal. He's only 20 and I'm sure they want a year or so to work with him.

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[OrlandO]

It is mindblowing that there is not even rumor of us trying to get vet PG....

If Weltman doesn't at the very least sign a cheap vet pg then it's safe to assume he is inviting losses to pile up... aka tanking.

If that is the case, then isn't the next order of business moving off some of these veterans?

Not sure it would change Weltman's approach much. He'd only be surrendering due to injuries and only for this season. All his young players had setbacks and he'll still want to win as much as possible in his contract year next season, which imo means vuc and ross trades are unlikely. Fournier was already the most likely to be traded at the deadline due to his contract. Gordon was already most likely to be traded due to fit/value... in a lost season maybe he can be moved at the deadline instead of in the summer? Birch might be retained on another small deal because Bamba is a question mark every year. The rest are bottom of the barrel and helping us lose.

[I Rasharted]

If Weltman doesn't at the very least sign a cheap vet pg then it's safe to assume he is inviting losses to pile up... aka tanking.

If that is the case, then isn't the next order of business moving off some of these veterans?

Not sure it would change Weltman's approach much. He'd only be surrendering due to injuries and only for this season. All his young players had setbacks and he'll still want to win as much as possible in his contract year next season, which imo means vuc and ross trades are unlikely. Fournier was already the most likely to be traded at the deadline due to his contract. Gordon was already most likely to be traded due to fit/value... in a lost season maybe he can be moved at the deadline instead of in the summer? Birch might be retained on another small deal because Bamba is a question mark every year. The rest are bottom of the barrel and helping us lose.

I will trade anyone on the Magic minus Fultz and Isaac for any of these:

[Skybox]

Until Aminu can get healthy and show that he still knows how to play basketball, we probably have to add a pick to move him, and maybe a decent one, I would think it would be something equivalent to a late first rounder, but maybe a couple 2nds would be enough.

I was not being serious. But to be serious, if a team wanted to trade for Fournier, Orlando might be well placed to require Aminu to be absorbed. Such as:

Fournier, Aminu and Mané to Boston for Marcus Smart, Romeo Langford, Aaron Nesmith and Grant Williams. That trade helps both teams this year. Boston is a title contender, and Orlando will not suck this year and gain some young assets for the future.


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Boston wouldn't do that for a Fournier expiring and an injured Aminu. Can't see the Magic just throwing Mane in a deal. He's only 20 and I'm sure they want a year or so to work with him.

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Boston wouldn't include Smart if Aminu was healthy and Fournier was signed for 5m/yr....Smart is a hugely valuable piece to their success.

[jonbob17]

I was not being serious. But to be serious, if a team wanted to trade for Fournier, Orlando might be well placed to require Aminu to be absorbed. Such as:

Fournier, Aminu and Mané to Boston for Marcus Smart, Romeo Langford, Aaron Nesmith and Grant Williams. That trade helps both teams this year. Boston is a title contender, and Orlando will not suck this year and gain some young assets for the future.


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Boston wouldn't do that for a Fournier expiring and an injured Aminu. Can't see the Magic just throwing Mane in a deal. He's only 20 and I'm sure they want a year or so to work with him.

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Boston wouldn't include Smart if Aminu was healthy and Fournier was signed for 5m/yr....Smart is a hugely valuable piece to their success.

Fournier + Aminu for equal expiring or TPE absorption sounds like a win.