pepe1991 wrote:Xatticus wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
Ehh, he more mobile than Vuc & Kanter because they are 7 footers and he is between 6'9 and 6'10.
But the way he scores isn't really that translatable in nba. He has no outside range, he is more similar to Wendell Carter than Kenter or Vuc who are way more polished i eqipped with bigger bodies.
What's execlly his role in modern offense? Not streach big, not that fast, not that athletic, not rim runner and not as strong passer as somebody like Sabonis? So it's just 6'10( like Wendell) player that occupies same space below rim as Wendell, who won't do anything on his own and who is best used as rolling big ( again, as Wendell) and off ball he is either screening, or wasting space because he won't do anything for your offense outside 10 feet.
At apsolute best he is Domas Sabonis. As realistic outcome, he is very similar player to Wendell
He isn't as polished as 30 and 28-year-old NBA vets? I'm not even going to argue the merits of that position. I just want to highlight the fact that you said it.
He is a better post scorer at this moment than Vucevic has ever been in his life, but we don't like him because he could never be as good at stretching the floor as a guy that hit 0 of 3 3-point shots at Sengun's current age? The very best conceivable outcome for Sengun is a player that was vastly inferior to Sengun at the same age? He'll never be able to pass the ball as well as a guy that had fewer than half as many assists per 40 minutes at the same age?
What he is now is not what he is going to be five years from now. There are no certainties. We're just trying to identify talent. We should be comparing him to the other potential draftees in this draft class.
I wanna highlight that i compared him to players that are 25 years old (allstar) and 22 years old center. Sabonis and WCjr. Fact.
Both players entered nba without outside jumpshot, both players years later, still don't have one. Facts. Only facts.One of dummest hot takes ever.He is a better post scorer at this moment than Vucevic has ever been in his life
Vuc did play for 10 games in Europe in 2010, averaged 17 ppg, 10 rpg and did shoot some threes ( actually higher clip and higher efficiency than Sengun). So no, if you are going by counting stats to make overarching claim Sengun is "better" post player than Vučević, you are just making fool of yourself. If you are going by eye-test, witch i highly doubt, since you probably never saw Alperen Segun live game in your life, than you again, making fool of yourself because your comment is made from pure fact you disslike Vučević so much that you were in past already making fool of yourself, claiming Bamba is , and i qoute "more talented".
By talent, i assume he is more talented at missing shots and being unable to grasp nba offense or defense.
But back to Sengun. For start, he is playing as PF. In modern age of nba, PFs have to be able to shoot ( he can't) , defend fast wings ( he can't ) and be mobile ( he is not). So what are you projecting is that he will either have to improve his athletic outlook A LOT ( not that easy since he isn't gifted athlete at all ) or that he will learn to shoot ( guy for a season shot 4/21 for 3 ,despite Euro three being shorter distance than nba one ).
There are plenty of postup bigs who didn't or don't work in nba. And Sabonis. Sabonis is very,very good rebounder and terrific passer. If Sengun can't advance his game, you are literally working with Andrew Nicholson type prospect.
Since i had opportunity to watch Sengun play, my experience with him was underwhelming as hell. He simply didn't do anything special, especially knowing how terrible competition was.
Does that mean he is guranteed bust? No. But i don't see alleged star potential. I see very average nba role player. Must like most of this draft outside of few prospects that have allstar potential.
Yes. You label it one of the dumbest hot takes ever, then proceed to provide no data to refute it. Because you can't. Because it's obviously true. A TS% north of .700. A FTr of .576. Watch the video. If you don't see it, then I don't know what to tell you.
And yes... it's exceedingly obvious that Bamba is more talented. I don't know why this is so difficult for you to understand. We project outcomes. The guy with the higher potential outcome is more talented. I can't think of a better example of a low-ceiling player than Vucevic. He's been given 20,000+ minutes to prove himself useful in some way or another and it hasn't yet materialized. He's been given more freedom to influence the outcome of his team's games than anyone else on his rosters. The result: 252-415.
Keep in mind, I didn't bring this **** up. You did. I'd very much like to move on from this, but it's important that someone points out your BS from time to time. Dogma is your shtick. You seem to be under the impression that saying the same dumb **** 100 times over wills it into existence. I'm sure it makes sense to you, but it's the same dumb **** 100 times over to my ears.
Example:
He has no outside range, he is more similar to Wendell Carter than Kenter or Vuc who are way more polished i eqipped with bigger bodies.
You said it. What are you trying to argue about? I don't give a **** who you compared him to. It's asinine. You should be comparing his skill set to these players' skill sets at comparable ages. That's not what you are doing.
I don't give a **** what Vucevic did in 10 games in the Montenegrin league after spending three years at USC. WTF does this tell us about Sengun?
You blame the same players years after they are gone for the failures of the players you are enamored with. The ghost of Elfrid Payton will haunt this board until you decide to move on. You throw a fit when I compare Vucevic to Gminski, but then you link a puff piece by NBA.com not two weeks later that effectively states that Gminski's record for being the softest center in the history of the NBA is about to be broken by Nikola Vucevic. And now you tell me how Sengun isn't nearly as polished as the guy that I have labeled a polished turd on numerous occasions? You have no sense of irony.
I'm not even stanning for Sengun. I just find him preferable to the other guys that aren't at the top of this prospect pool. He has demonstrated mastery of the Turkish Super League at the age of 18. That's impressive to me. But now this is going to become a thing because it offends your Vucevic-centric universe.
