2021-2022 Regular Season Game 10: San Antonio Spurs (2-6) at Orlando Magic (2-7) - 11/05/21 at 7:00pm ET

[penny_nz]

Very very bad game

[RookieStar]

First off, our supposed vets in Tross and Gary isnt helping at all. I think we need to trade them sooner than later because they are hindering the development of our team.

Second, after that coming put party, the Franzchise came back down to earth huh? I mean are we looking away from Franz?

[Howard Mass]

The Spurs always pushed back when The Magic got close. Experienced helped them too. It did feel like some of the vets were waiting to be dealt.

[KillMonger]

do our players never watch their backs in transition? it's like the third time they've been stripped from behind....could it be in it's a bad habit from practice? we don't play transition defense so i guess they are used to being uncontested in fast breaks in practice...against a real team though? that amateur hour sh t don't fly

[KillMonger]

First off, our supposed vets in Tross and Gary isnt helping at all. I think we need to trade them sooner than later because they are hindering the development of our team.

Second, after that coming put party, the Franzchise came back down to earth huh? I mean are we looking away from Franz?

Especially Ross, peep his body language....to me it says "I've checked out"

[OrlDave]

I'm glad we are done playing the spurs. They aren't a fun team to play. Also Boston. F both of those teams.

[JTG_92940618]

I think RJ has calmed down a lot since the start of the season and his 3 is still falling. His on-ball defence is good too. Looks like a 3 and D prospect.

Suggs was +7. I would like to see him play more PG without Cole. If nothing else it gives us a different look.

Also, Okeke, while quiet, is slowly getting better.

[FFBlitzace]

We're dead last in steals per game at 5.6 per game. Teams average 9.8 steals per game against us, however. We're 28th in that category, only two teams allow more steals than us. We give but we don't take. The live ball turnovers are a huge problem. If you're 26th in fg% and 28th in turnovers, you're losing badly every night. Which we are.

11 steals for the Spurs tonight, so that stat gets worse. I know we're a young team and all that, but I'm not interested in excuses for such an outrageously bad nightly occurrence. It has to get better, immediately.

[Magic_Kingdom]

This is the Jacque Vaughn mistake all over again. Rookie coach with a gutted roster, giving the young players all the time they want to learn bad habits and play horrible basketball with no consequences. Getting their brains bashed in every night to the point where they become accustomed to losing. Three years later no one has developed and they all get traded for second-round picks.

[SOUL]

Feel like we have played so many good defenses early on and Utah is next, lol.

I mean our offense not being great even against bad defenses is an issue but still...

[Optimus_Steel]

I don't even know why this team focuses so much on practicing defense when our real issue is we can't score. We should focus on getting better at scoring.

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[ibraheim718]

This is why I'm so tired of bamba young has bullied him on about 2-3 times in the paint.

His energy comes and goes and I've seen him not ready for passes by the bucket way too many times.

[Viper1500]

Suggs trying to hard to score on low percentage shots. I understand he's trying to live up to the hype, but he clearly needs to become a better shooter first.

[Viper1500]

This is the Jacque Vaughn mistake all over again. Rookie coach with a gutted roster, giving the young players all the time they want to learn bad habits and play horrible basketball with no consequences. Getting their brains bashed in every night to the point where they become accustomed to losing. Three years later no one has developed and they all get traded for second-round picks.

What's the alternative? Start Ross and Lopez?

[penny_nz]

I think that's the first game this season (I wasn't able to watch Boston) that I look back and struggle to find any real positives

[SOUL]

This is the Jacque Vaughn mistake all over again. Rookie coach with a gutted roster, giving the young players all the time they want to learn bad habits and play horrible basketball with no consequences. Getting their brains bashed in every night to the point where they become accustomed to losing. Three years later no one has developed and they all get traded for second-round picks.

What's the alternative? Start Ross and Lopez?

It's a fallacious argument anyway because it harkens back to the Vuc/Fournier/Gordon days of just playing guys that have been here to be mediocre record wise and not actually having a real plan other than trying to be "just good enough". Magic fans are painfully shortsighted and can't see the big picture or endure growing pains.

The growing pains of those young teams after Dwight were not a mistake because of Jacque Vaughn, coaches can be brought in and fired at any time, it's because we never got a star out of our picks. We made a good choice of rebuilding after our star requested out, and got unlucky in the draft lottery/messed up a few picks.

Not to mention this team is decimated with injuries and our vets arent doing **** when they do play. Not sure how that's a coaching thing.

Other young teams rebuild quicker because they find stars (Trae, Morant, etc) but still struggle because they are young and then surround the keepers with actual useful vets. The others will continue to struggle until there are impact young guys on the team. There's a lot to like about Wagner and Suggs even though there are quite a few things both can improve on

[89Magicfan]

This is the Jacque Vaughn mistake all over again. Rookie coach with a gutted roster, giving the young players all the time they want to learn bad habits and play horrible basketball with no consequences. Getting their brains bashed in every night to the point where they become accustomed to losing. Three years later no one has developed and they all get traded for second-round picks.

What's the alternative? Start Ross and Lopez?

No but stop with Suggs is a SG ****. He’s not. Never has been. His mind, the way he sees the game, not a spot up Sg. This irks the crap out of me with this organization. Did it with AG trying to recreate him as some GHill, Paul George hybrid.

[KillMonger]

This is the Jacque Vaughn mistake all over again. Rookie coach with a gutted roster, giving the young players all the time they want to learn bad habits and play horrible basketball with no consequences. Getting their brains bashed in every night to the point where they become accustomed to losing. Three years later no one has developed and they all get traded for second-round picks.

no one said it was going to be easy but this is something we have to go through in a rebuild....i mean not too many teams are able to destroy, rebuild and become respectable the next season....it's going to take time....that means we got to give the same respect to the coach as well...Vaughn might have got his opportunity too early, i believe he was only on Pop's bench for 2 years while Mose has been an assistant for more than a decade while being in winning situations, he's paid his dues....it's going to take time with him as well, not to say that makes him immune from criticism though....but clearly, the machine is still in the process of being built

[Rainwater]

This is the Jacque Vaughn mistake all over again. Rookie coach with a gutted roster, giving the young players all the time they want to learn bad habits and play horrible basketball with no consequences. Getting their brains bashed in every night to the point where they become accustomed to losing. Three years later no one has developed and they all get traded for second-round picks.

I completely disagree with this take. This is just a young rebounding team learning through their mistakes. This is just part of the process before they become relevant again. You have to go through this. You just have to pray it's not a long process and you strike gold with a star or two.

[SOUL]

Also shooting/scoring seems WAY down across the league just watching all these games.. I like it though cause it means people can actually play defense again. I'd say half of it is the new foul system and the other half is players getting accustomed to the new ball