Woj: Isaac Out for the Year After Surgery on Torn Adductor

[fendilim]

Most likely he’ll be part of a consolidation move this offseason, IMO.

New injury is unrelated to his previous injury.

His contract was given to him the offseason prior to him being one of the healthiest player of the team and it all went downhill after that. Lol

Guy still has the skills just a matter of whether his body can hold up or not.

Wasn’t really high on him prior to the draft but he developed into a defensive force prior to the injury.

It sucks. One has to wonder what direction WeHam will go next for JI. He was picked during the Vuc-Fournier era, to perhaps plug the hole at SF. Now that era is gone AND JI is injured again, may be time to move on.

But if we decide to keep him and he comes back healthy next season, I wouldnt be surprised if we are able to retain him cheap. I think he’d be one of the biggest bargains by then.

His contract was given to him the offseason prior to him being one of the healthiest player of the team and it all went downhill after that. Lol

This is factually false.
He was resigned at December 21st of 2020.

He, at that point already suffered ACL tear (August 3rd , 2020) and by that point he played:

2017-18 : 27 out of 82 games
2018-19: 75 out of 82 games
2019-20: 34 out of 73 games

136 out of 237 games. So he hardly played half of aveliable games.

They knew he won't suit up for whole 2020-21.
He didn't also suit up for whole 2021-22, breaking any logical timeline.
He couldn't get ready for start of 2022-23 either.

He played 124 min, separated in 11 different occasations , from january 23rd , 2023 to February 23rd, 2023. And it was too much.


To sum it up, Jonathan Isaac, 6th year player, played 600 min of basketball less than Franz Wagner in year and half.


At what point you will consider this not normal and simply done deal? Fact that you are STILL trying to downplay it as minor, separate incidnet after guy is set to miss 4th year straight, minus 11 games on 10 mpg limit is just crazy talk.
Even if i ignore you called people "haters" two days ago for pointing this out

I stand corrected about the contract timing. But that only makes the contract better, AT THAT TIME, because he was able to show he can play 70+ games a year before that.

Yeah, people still hate on Isaac prior to him getting injured this time. Saying he wont be as good as he was prior to the injury. He proved he was still good and still have the “motor skills” people said he would lack when he came back. he did prove he still have those. But health wise is the problem.

[fendilim]

Most likely he’ll be part of a consolidation move this offseason, IMO.

New injury is unrelated to his previous injury.

His contract was given to him the offseason prior to him being one of the healthiest player of the team and it all went downhill after that. Lol

Guy still has the skills just a matter of whether his body can hold up or not.

Wasn’t really high on him prior to the draft but he developed into a defensive force prior to the injury.

It sucks. One has to wonder what direction WeHam will go next for JI. He was picked during the Vuc-Fournier era, to perhaps plug the hole at SF. Now that era is gone AND JI is injured again, may be time to move on.

But if we decide to keep him and he comes back healthy next season, I wouldnt be surprised if we are able to retain him cheap. I think he’d be one of the biggest bargains by then.

ehh, i would majorly debate that. he couldnt stay healthy from day 1. only played 27 games his rookie year. played 75 his 2nd, then 34 games his 3rd year. he was not "one of the healthiest players" at all.

he did prove he can.

And we all know the third year, management got blamed for bringing him back early in the bubble.

Its not like management did act irresponsibly that time

[tiderulz]

Most likely he’ll be part of a consolidation move this offseason, IMO.

New injury is unrelated to his previous injury.

His contract was given to him the offseason prior to him being one of the healthiest player of the team and it all went downhill after that. Lol

Guy still has the skills just a matter of whether his body can hold up or not.

Wasn’t really high on him prior to the draft but he developed into a defensive force prior to the injury.

It sucks. One has to wonder what direction WeHam will go next for JI. He was picked during the Vuc-Fournier era, to perhaps plug the hole at SF. Now that era is gone AND JI is injured again, may be time to move on.

But if we decide to keep him and he comes back healthy next season, I wouldnt be surprised if we are able to retain him cheap. I think he’d be one of the biggest bargains by then.

ehh, i would majorly debate that. he couldnt stay healthy from day 1. only played 27 games his rookie year. played 75 his 2nd, then 34 games his 3rd year. he was not "one of the healthiest players" at all.

he did prove he can.

And we all know the third year, management got blamed for bringing him back early in the bubble.

Its not like management did act irresponsibly that time

bring him back early from what? an injury? he started the season playing 32 of 34 games, then got injured again. sorry, but dude is made of glass. he just cant stay healthy

[JoshuaPotter]

Well my hot take is let it play out unless his salary helps a deal match. I think Orlando is still trying to build a rep that they take care of their players.

As to whether or not we should be hopeful? I fully would say that I would expect this deal to expire and unless there is a miracle team that takes a risk on him and makes it work. It's been nice knowing Isaac.

I really consider this story a tragedy now. Regardless of how anyone feels, the dude has attempted to come back and did briefly.

Years from now, talking about injuries and players to the younger more inexperienced type. We will always have the "have you heard of the tragedy of "the minister of defense?""

While turning my head sideways....

Watch on YouTube

[tiderulz]

Well my hot take is let it play out unless his salary helps a deal match. I think Orlando is still trying to build a rep that they take care of their players.

As to whether or not we should be hopeful? I fully would say that I would expect this deal to expire and unless there is a miracle team that takes a risk on him and makes it work. It's been nice knowing Isaac.

I really consider this story a tragedy now. Regardless of how anyone feels, the dude has attempted to come back and did briefly.

Years from now, talking about injuries and players to the younger more inexperienced type. We will always have the "have you heard of the tragedy of "the minister of defense?""

While turning my head sideways....

Watch on YouTube

they are taking care of him. his money is guaranteed, it only changes what hits our cap

[JoshuaPotter]

Well my hot take is let it play out unless his salary helps a deal match. I think Orlando is still trying to build a rep that they take care of their players.

As to whether or not we should be hopeful? I fully would say that I would expect this deal to expire and unless there is a miracle team that takes a risk on him and makes it work. It's been nice knowing Isaac.

I really consider this story a tragedy now. Regardless of how anyone feels, the dude has attempted to come back and did briefly.

Years from now, talking about injuries and players to the younger more inexperienced type. We will always have the "have you heard of the tragedy of "the minister of defense?""

While turning my head sideways....

Watch on YouTube

they are taking care of him. his money is guaranteed, it only changes what hits our cap

They could probably attempt a buyout and give him less money. But now sure how that impacts cap. Again not sure if that makes our org seen as good or bad. Either way, at least as a fan I would say encourage Isaac to retire now so he can at least make sure he can walk for the rest of his life.

[The Effect]

What are we going to do with his 17 mil cap space next season? Literally nothing. In fact if we waived his full cap amount and used it, we probably made a mistake and did a move way too early in the rebuild process.

The injury is unrelated to his history which is a good sign. And now we are looking at what is he worth on the cap sheet the next time a deal is discussed. Because maybe you waive him this summer and use ORL's cap space to resign him for under 10 mil a year, which is way too good of a health project to pass up. The Magic already did it with Fultz and Okeke.

No, its not

It shows just how injury prone he is. Its not a reoccuring injury or relapse, its more proof that his body as a whole is not built for the NBA

You all can overreact with emotion, but all of that is just the facts to me. If no team out there goes full stupid and offers him 14+ mil a year, we are in the driver's seat to get an insane piece cheap. Banchero is literally a rookie and you don't want to find out Isaac became 70-100% healthy in 3 seasons when Banchero is literally still on a rookie contract. All because you were feeling "frustrated" and "done".

Theres literally no point trying to argue with this level of dilusion. Dude has been injured for 6 years straight, with numorous different injuries, missed 70% of his games, ended every single season on IR and theres still people who think "one day he will be 100% healthy"........just......wow

[pepe1991]

Most likely he’ll be part of a consolidation move this offseason, IMO.

New injury is unrelated to his previous injury.

His contract was given to him the offseason prior to him being one of the healthiest player of the team and it all went downhill after that. Lol

Guy still has the skills just a matter of whether his body can hold up or not.

Wasn’t really high on him prior to the draft but he developed into a defensive force prior to the injury.

It sucks. One has to wonder what direction WeHam will go next for JI. He was picked during the Vuc-Fournier era, to perhaps plug the hole at SF. Now that era is gone AND JI is injured again, may be time to move on.

But if we decide to keep him and he comes back healthy next season, I wouldnt be surprised if we are able to retain him cheap. I think he’d be one of the biggest bargains by then.

His contract was given to him the offseason prior to him being one of the healthiest player of the team and it all went downhill after that. Lol

This is factually false.
He was resigned at December 21st of 2020.

He, at that point already suffered ACL tear (August 3rd , 2020) and by that point he played:

2017-18 : 27 out of 82 games
2018-19: 75 out of 82 games
2019-20: 34 out of 73 games

136 out of 237 games. So he hardly played half of aveliable games.

They knew he won't suit up for whole 2020-21.
He didn't also suit up for whole 2021-22, breaking any logical timeline.
He couldn't get ready for start of 2022-23 either.

He played 124 min, separated in 11 different occasations , from january 23rd , 2023 to February 23rd, 2023. And it was too much.


To sum it up, Jonathan Isaac, 6th year player, played 600 min of basketball less than Franz Wagner in year and half.


At what point you will consider this not normal and simply done deal? Fact that you are STILL trying to downplay it as minor, separate incidnet after guy is set to miss 4th year straight, minus 11 games on 10 mpg limit is just crazy talk.
Even if i ignore you called people "haters" two days ago for pointing this out

I stand corrected about the contract timing. But that only makes the contract better, AT THAT TIME, because he was able to show he can play 70+ games a year before that.

Yeah, people still hate on Isaac prior to him getting injured this time. Saying he wont be as good as he was prior to the injury. He proved he was still good and still have the “motor skills” people said he would lack when he came back. he did prove he still have those. But health wise is the problem.

It's just dumb move by front office as they resigned player that could not play whole year, in his contract year.
On top of that , Magic drafted him so they had restrictions in free agency and could easly mach any offer, if anybody offered anything.

Instad, they rushed to slap "loyality" 4 years, $70M contract as he just started rehab, without any clue how recovery will go. Matter of fact, they had red flags with his body when ankle sprain turned into season ending injury in rookie year, hyperexstended knee injury in ( near) season ending injury and followed by ACL tear after playing grand total of 31 min over two bubble games. Thirty one minutes. 8 months after orginal injury, and you are there arguing how he was "rushed".

His orginal prognoses said 8-10weeks before evaluation . But he didn't play again until lockdown and bubble, 8 months later.

People don't "hate on Isaac", people hate that their favorite team is cought up in this never ending bull**** of player that has no chance at ever reaching 400 games played in nba, has been hurt 5 out of 6 years and that they need to argue with people who call them "haters" for pointing out most obvious thing out there. His career has been efectivlly over probably after knee hyperexstension, that followed by ACL tear. He had two additional surgeries after ACL tear while playing 124 min in 3 years. What's there to even talk about?

Nothing. This is endgame of his situation. Player that needs to be saved from himself and be delt medical retirment. If you are Orlando Magic doctor you don't want to sign his papers because you know he can't play in NBA . They probably know that for quite some time that's why they put so much min restrictions and yet, he still can't survive 11 min a game twice a week.

For f*** sake just google adductor tear and "minor hamstring injury": You will soon find out that adductor tear is actually rare and that there is no such thing as " minor hamstring surgery". It's clear that his body just fell apart without turn back.

[Jstock12]

Time to move on so he can have a long, successful and healthy career the second he’s off our roster.

It’s inevitable.

He’ll be one of the biggest what-ifs in franchise history, just below Tim Duncan, Grant Hill’s ankle, and that 1996 Orlando Sentinel fan poll.

Sorry, I'm not a Magic fan so I'm not rally aware of those - could you elaborate? Curious to learn more about the history of this franchise.

[RookieStar]

Time to move on so he can have a long, successful and healthy career the second he’s off our roster.

It’s inevitable.

He’ll be one of the biggest what-ifs in franchise history, just below Tim Duncan, Grant Hill’s ankle, and that 1996 Orlando Sentinel fan poll.

Sorry, I'm not a Magic fan so I'm not rally aware of those - could you elaborate? Curious to learn more about the history of this franchise.

1.) We had that summer where Tmac, GHill and TD were all about to start together. Then if you believed the stories, the Admiral called TD at the last minute to convince him to stay with him in the Spurs. Or was that the story that we didn't send him a private jet to tour Orlando? I forgot which urban legend is the truth.

2.) GHill's ankle.. well no need to explain right? Unless you believe that rumor it's his FILA shoes that did it?

3.) OS fan poll.... it's supposedly the reason why Shaq left our franchise. He got insulted that poll asked if he was worth a max contract or not.

( some other here please confirm, add or deny this???)

[Jstock12]

Time to move on so he can have a long, successful and healthy career the second he’s off our roster.

It’s inevitable.

He’ll be one of the biggest what-ifs in franchise history, just below Tim Duncan, Grant Hill’s ankle, and that 1996 Orlando Sentinel fan poll.

Sorry, I'm not a Magic fan so I'm not rally aware of those - could you elaborate? Curious to learn more about the history of this franchise.

1.) We had that summer where Tmac, GHill and TD were all about to start together. Then if you believed the stories, the Admiral called TD at the last minute to convince him to stay with him in the Spurs. Or was that the story that we didn't send him a private jet to tour Orlando? I forgot which urban legend is the truth.

2.) GHill's ankle.. well no need to explain right? Unless you believe that rumor it's his FILA shoes that did it?

3.) OS fan poll.... it's supposedly the reason why Shaq left our franchise. He got insulted that poll asked if he was worth a max contract or not.

( some other here please confirm, add or deny this???)

Thanks a lot! Wow, Tmac/TD/Hill trio would have been crazy.

[RookieStar]

Sorry, I'm not a Magic fan so I'm not rally aware of those - could you elaborate? Curious to learn more about the history of this franchise.

1.) We had that summer where Tmac, GHill and TD were all about to start together. Then if you believed the stories, the Admiral called TD at the last minute to convince him to stay with him in the Spurs. Or was that the story that we didn't send him a private jet to tour Orlando? I forgot which urban legend is the truth.

2.) GHill's ankle.. well no need to explain right? Unless you believe that rumor it's his FILA shoes that did it?

3.) OS fan poll.... it's supposedly the reason why Shaq left our franchise. He got insulted that poll asked if he was worth a max contract or not.

( some other here please confirm, add or deny this???)

Thanks a lot! Wow, Tmac/TD/Hill trio would have been crazy.

Yes.. add to that fact that we had ROY Mike Miller and the franchise fan favorite D. Armstrong... it was a super team in the making.

[MoMM]

Time to move on so he can have a long, successful and healthy career the second he’s off our roster.

It’s inevitable.

He’ll be one of the biggest what-ifs in franchise history, just below Tim Duncan, Grant Hill’s ankle, and that 1996 Orlando Sentinel fan poll.

Sorry, I'm not a Magic fan so I'm not rally aware of those - could you elaborate? Curious to learn more about the history of this franchise.

1.) We had that summer where Tmac, GHill and TD were all about to start together. Then if you believed the stories, the Admiral called TD at the last minute to convince him to stay with him in the Spurs. Or was that the story that we didn't send him a private jet to tour Orlando? I forgot which urban legend is the truth.

2.) GHill's ankle.. well no need to explain right? Unless you believe that rumor it's his FILA shoes that did it?

3.) OS fan poll.... it's supposedly the reason why Shaq left our franchise. He got insulted that poll asked if he was worth a max contract or not.

( some other here please confirm, add or deny this???)

#1: Robinson helped to convince him, but the private jet was about our team not allowing family members to travel together in the tema plane and he enjoyed to have his wife with him.

#2: Not much to say, we were supposed to have the next MJ/Pippen, but MJ (GHill) was injured all the time

#3: Somehow true, but I believe the point is that we should have extended him earlier and not allowed Lakers to make their pitch and offer max money. Story would be different with Shaq+Penny for a few more years together.

I can add two other what-ifs:
#4: You forgot about the 4 missed FTs by Nick Anderson in the NBA Finals, game#1, poor kid, he couldn't make a FT after that for the rest of his career.

#5: Imagine if Tmac hadn't asked to be traded. We got the #1 pick in that year, so we could have these players in the 2004/2005 season: Prime Tmac, rookie D12, rookie JNelson, Hedo Turkoglu and healthy GHill

[fendilim]

This is factually false.
He was resigned at December 21st of 2020.

He, at that point already suffered ACL tear (August 3rd , 2020) and by that point he played:

2017-18 : 27 out of 82 games
2018-19: 75 out of 82 games
2019-20: 34 out of 73 games

136 out of 237 games. So he hardly played half of aveliable games.

They knew he won't suit up for whole 2020-21.
He didn't also suit up for whole 2021-22, breaking any logical timeline.
He couldn't get ready for start of 2022-23 either.

He played 124 min, separated in 11 different occasations , from january 23rd , 2023 to February 23rd, 2023. And it was too much.


To sum it up, Jonathan Isaac, 6th year player, played 600 min of basketball less than Franz Wagner in year and half.


At what point you will consider this not normal and simply done deal? Fact that you are STILL trying to downplay it as minor, separate incidnet after guy is set to miss 4th year straight, minus 11 games on 10 mpg limit is just crazy talk.
Even if i ignore you called people "haters" two days ago for pointing this out

I stand corrected about the contract timing. But that only makes the contract better, AT THAT TIME, because he was able to show he can play 70+ games a year before that.

Yeah, people still hate on Isaac prior to him getting injured this time. Saying he wont be as good as he was prior to the injury. He proved he was still good and still have the “motor skills” people said he would lack when he came back. he did prove he still have those. But health wise is the problem.

It's just dumb move by front office as they resigned player that could not play whole year, in his contract year.
On top of that , Magic drafted him so they had restrictions in free agency and could easly mach any offer, if anybody offered anything.

Instad, they rushed to slap "loyality" 4 years, $70M contract as he just started rehab, without any clue how recovery will go. Matter of fact, they had red flags with his body when ankle sprain turned into season ending injury in rookie year, hyperexstended knee injury in ( near) season ending injury and followed by ACL tear after playing grand total of 31 min over two bubble games. Thirty one minutes. 8 months after orginal injury, and you are there arguing how he was "rushed".

His orginal prognoses said 8-10weeks before evaluation . But he didn't play again until lockdown and bubble, 8 months later.

People don't "hate on Isaac", people hate that their favorite team is cought up in this never ending bull**** of player that has no chance at ever reaching 400 games played in nba, has been hurt 5 out of 6 years and that they need to argue with people who call them "haters" for pointing out most obvious thing out there. His career has been efectivlly over probably after knee hyperexstension, that followed by ACL tear. He had two additional surgeries after ACL tear while playing 124 min in 3 years. What's there to even talk about?

Nothing. This is endgame of his situation. Player that needs to be saved from himself and be delt medical retirment. If you are Orlando Magic doctor you don't want to sign his papers because you know he can't play in NBA . They probably know that for quite some time that's why they put so much min restrictions and yet, he still can't survive 11 min a game twice a week.

For f*** sake just google adductor tear and "minor hamstring injury": You will soon find out that adductor tear is actually rare and that there is no such thing as " minor hamstring surgery". It's clear that his body just fell apart without turn back.

Lol

Lets agree to disagree.

But i have qualms with those people who were doubting he’d be back to what he was prior to injury, and when he came back, they were MIA because JI proved he still was a menace defensively. And now they are noisy again.

Whether that’s you or not you, you be the judge. Just go back to those two threads and see for yourself.

I didnt even say about the contract because truth be told some of those posters even praised the contract extension at that time lol

[Skin]

Retain him on a bench contract. No big deal. What's the fuss?

[Magic#1]

What are we going to do with his 17 mil cap space next season? Literally nothing. In fact if we waived his full cap amount and used it, we probably made a mistake and did a move way too early in the rebuild process.

The injury is unrelated to his history which is a good sign. And now we are looking at what is he worth on the cap sheet the next time a deal is discussed. Because maybe you waive him this summer and use ORL's cap space to resign him for under 10 mil a year, which is way too good of a health project to pass up. The Magic already did it with Fultz and Okeke.

No, its not

It shows just how injury prone he is. Its not a reoccuring injury or relapse, its more proof that his body as a whole is not built for the NBA

You all can overreact with emotion, but all of that is just the facts to me. If no team out there goes full stupid and offers him 14+ mil a year, we are in the driver's seat to get an insane piece cheap. Banchero is literally a rookie and you don't want to find out Isaac became 70-100% healthy in 3 seasons when Banchero is literally still on a rookie contract. All because you were feeling "frustrated" and "done".

Theres literally no point trying to argue with this level of dilusion. Dude has been injured for 6 years straight, with numorous different injuries, missed 70% of his games, ended every single season on IR and theres still people who think "one day he will be 100% healthy"........just......wow

He took the longest we have seen in a long time in any sport to come back from an ACL In recent years we've seen some players come back in less than a year. It took JI two. I assumed they were holding him back to get his body as strong and functional as possible. He came back and was playing well and then got hurt again. Those are huge red flags about his future or lack thereof. I expect we keep him around for now, but we have to consider him done basketball wise.

[dsg2021]

What are we going to do with his 17 mil cap space next season? Literally nothing. In fact if we waived his full cap amount and used it, we probably made a mistake and did a move way too early in the rebuild process.

The injury is unrelated to his history which is a good sign. And now we are looking at what is he worth on the cap sheet the next time a deal is discussed. Because maybe you waive him this summer and use ORL's cap space to resign him for under 10 mil a year, which is way too good of a health project to pass up. The Magic already did it with Fultz and Okeke.

No, its not

It shows just how injury prone he is. Its not a reoccuring injury or relapse, its more proof that his body as a whole is not built for the NBA


This is irrelevant to below.

You all can overreact with emotion, but all of that is just the facts to me. If no team out there goes full stupid and offers him 14+ mil a year, we are in the driver's seat to get an insane piece cheap. Banchero is literally a rookie and you don't want to find out Isaac became 70-100% healthy in 3 seasons when Banchero is literally still on a rookie contract. All because you were feeling "frustrated" and "done".

Theres literally no point trying to argue with this level of dilusion. Dude has been injured for 6 years straight, with numorous different injuries, missed 70% of his games, ended every single season on IR and theres still people who think "one day he will be 100% healthy"........just......wow

I don't know how to explain this another way.. umm.. think of it like this: if you pay a player 7 mil a year and then he is 80% healthy for half of his seasons and their playoff runs, but then he plays like a DPOY and his length gives him easy offense from 3's to put-backs, you take it and run like you stole a bank. Again, you have to use pure cold reasoning and not drop him forever because you were feeling "frustrated" and "done".

If or when JI is renegotiated, think of 7-10 mil on something like a cap level of 134 mil before luxury tax. Would you be okay if 5% of your cap space is used on a player who would basically impact the game on the same level of other teams' players who are 20% of the their cap space? Or would you rather spend 7 mil a year on Dewayne Dedmon's last year in the league type of players that we would normally get?

[dsg2021]

Retain him on a bench contract. No big deal. What's the fuss?

Like this is what I mean.

You can be like 95% of the people here and freak out in over-emotion.

Or, you can look at it logically and say.. "Retain him on a bench contract. No big deal. What's the fuss?"

[basketballRob]

Delusional is the people who say just cut him. We have to pay him $8.4M regardless, and we have until January 10, 2024, to make a decision.

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[fendilim]

Delusional is the people who say just cut him. We have to pay him $8.4M regardless, and we have until January 10, 2024, to make a decision.

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They just want to get this done and over with.

Honestly, I think he still has value. I believe his contract will be expiring next year. That being said his salary can really help in a consolidation move.

Correct me if i’m wrong but he will still count as his whole projected salary, but the receiving team will have until Jan 10, 2024 to guarantee that amount or can pay him at a lower cost than the projected salary.