The German elephant in the room.

[thelead]

You know... people are roasting KAT Mikal OG and randle for their performance in opening night, i shudder to think what they will say to this elephant if qe lost to MIA while he goes 0-8 on 3s.

People who are roasting players who made trades month ago after one game shouldn't be taken serious tho.
Especially if those players are matched vs either best team in a league or team with two- top 10 players


I hope forum won't turn into 24-7 crying about Franz shooting in context of max contract.
Franz shot 28% for 3 and had better efficiency numbers than majority of the roster.

It’s not about Franz’ overall efficiency though. It’s about how much harder things are for the team if opponents start leaving him wide open and clog the paint for the others. It’s about the overall effect on the offense.

[pepe1991]

You know... people are roasting KAT Mikal OG and randle for their performance in opening night, i shudder to think what they will say to this elephant if qe lost to MIA while he goes 0-8 on 3s.

People who are roasting players who made trades month ago after one game shouldn't be taken serious tho.
Especially if those players are matched vs either best team in a league or team with two- top 10 players


I hope forum won't turn into 24-7 crying about Franz shooting in context of max contract.
Franz shot 28% for 3 and had better efficiency numbers than majority of the roster.

It’s not about Franz’ overall efficiency though. It’s about how much harder things are for the team if opponents start leaving him wide open and clog the paint for the others. It’s about the overall effect on the offense.

In mean time, Paolo shot 29,8% for 3 as a rookie and 33,9% as sophomore and people think he doesn't have shooting problems because of one playoff series where he was guarded by 6'5 Okoro for majority of a time.
Double standards?

Thing is, Franz was never projected to be great shooter, he shot 32% for 3 at college. First two good shooting years set unrealistic expectations. He probably isn't as bad as 25-28% for 3 but also probably isn't as good as 36% for 3 like he once averaged.

[thelead]

People who are roasting players who made trades month ago after one game shouldn't be taken serious tho.
Especially if those players are matched vs either best team in a league or team with two- top 10 players


I hope forum won't turn into 24-7 crying about Franz shooting in context of max contract.
Franz shot 28% for 3 and had better efficiency numbers than majority of the roster.

It’s not about Franz’ overall efficiency though. It’s about how much harder things are for the team if opponents start leaving him wide open and clog the paint for the others. It’s about the overall effect on the offense.

In mean time, Paolo shot 29,8% for 3 as a rookie and 33,9% as sophomore and people think he doesn't have shooting problems because of one playoff series where he was guarded by 6'5 Okoro for majority of a time.
Double standards?

Thing is, Franz was never projected to be great shooter, he shot 32% for 3 at college. First two good shooting years set unrealistic expectations. He probably isn't as bad as 25-28% for 3 but also probably isn't as good as 36% for 3 like he once averaged.

1. Franz is now a max contract player. 28% from 3 as a SF in 2024 is not okay. Neither is 32%.
2. Paolo has never gotten a pass from me on his efficiency. In fact, I don’t think anyone is even close to how much I’ve talked about it over the last 2 years.

[JoshuaPotter]

It’s not about Franz’ overall efficiency though. It’s about how much harder things are for the team if opponents start leaving him wide open and clog the paint for the others. It’s about the overall effect on the offense.

In mean time, Paolo shot 29,8% for 3 as a rookie and 33,9% as sophomore and people think he doesn't have shooting problems because of one playoff series where he was guarded by 6'5 Okoro for majority of a time.
Double standards?

Thing is, Franz was never projected to be great shooter, he shot 32% for 3 at college. First two good shooting years set unrealistic expectations. He probably isn't as bad as 25-28% for 3 but also probably isn't as good as 36% for 3 like he once averaged.

1. Franz is now a max contract player. 28% from 3 as a SF in 2024 is not okay. Neither is 32%.
2. Paolo has never gotten a pass from me on his efficiency. In fact, I don’t think anyone is even close to how much I’ve talked about it over the last 2 years.

I dont remember names. But I was wondering where you are. I even name dropped your topic a few pages back....in remembrance of my remembrance of your topic.

[three3d]

Rookie Franz = 1 game better than previous season. Argument could be made Franz’s rookie year we actually lost more games than we had the season prior had it not been cut short by COVID.

Rookie Paolo = 12 more wins than previous season
Sophomore Paolo = 13 more wins than the previous season + Franz statistically shot HORRIBLY.

The success of this team is driven from Paolo more then Franz and still Paolo has some huge holes in his game

[thelead]

In mean time, Paolo shot 29,8% for 3 as a rookie and 33,9% as sophomore and people think he doesn't have shooting problems because of one playoff series where he was guarded by 6'5 Okoro for majority of a time.
Double standards?

Thing is, Franz was never projected to be great shooter, he shot 32% for 3 at college. First two good shooting years set unrealistic expectations. He probably isn't as bad as 25-28% for 3 but also probably isn't as good as 36% for 3 like he once averaged.

1. Franz is now a max contract player. 28% from 3 as a SF in 2024 is not okay. Neither is 32%.
2. Paolo has never gotten a pass from me on his efficiency. In fact, I don’t think anyone is even close to how much I’ve talked about it over the last 2 years.

I dont remember names. But I was wondering where you are. I even name dropped your topic a few pages back....in remembrance of my remembrance of your topic.

Which topic? Don’t confuse me with the Paolo hater that would rather have Diaw

[JoshuaPotter]

1. Franz is now a max contract player. 28% from 3 as a SF in 2024 is not okay. Neither is 32%.
2. Paolo has never gotten a pass from me on his efficiency. In fact, I don’t think anyone is even close to how much I’ve talked about it over the last 2 years.

I dont remember names. But I was wondering where you are. I even name dropped your topic a few pages back....in remembrance of my remembrance of your topic.

Which topic? Don’t confuse me with the Paolo hater that would rather have Diaw

I made a point that the real problems that are bigger elephants in the room is Paolo efficiency (highlighted in bold but maybe not seen depending on how you look at it) and Suggs development.

Franz both offensively and defensively is excellent.

[Residual-Heat]

This reminds me of how many people thought Tatum+Brown was never going to to work and that one of them should be traded...
viewtopic.php?t=2292434&start=20

[pepe1991]

This reminds me of how many people thought Tatum+Brown was never going to to work and that one of them should be traded...
viewtopic.php?t=2292434&start=20

They literally went to game 7 of ECF when Tatum was 19 and Brown was 21

And 19 years old Tatum led them in scoring in playoffs

Tatum at age of 26 has 68 playoff victories. For reference point, Embiid, 4 years older, has played 59 playoff games in his career

People who thought that are special type of people, not in a good way. What's the argument? This team that continues to pop to finals, conference finals really can't make next step and win 4 more games? Oh and they are one of best regular season teams year after year? Let's trade them!

[GelbeWand09]

Rookie Franz = 1 game better than previous season. Argument could be made Franz’s rookie year we actually lost more games than we had the season prior had it not been cut short by COVID.

Rookie Paolo = 12 more wins than previous season
Sophomore Paolo = 13 more wins than the previous season + Franz statistically shot HORRIBLY.

The success of this team is driven from Paolo more then Franz and still Paolo has some huge holes in his game

Sorry thats just the perfect example of using stats without any context (because it wouldnt only hurt your argument but invalidate it) for a personal agenda.

[The-Stallion70]

Cool 23 on 10-16 where them tears at

[Last Guardian]

I don't understand the comments about Franz not having it in him to be a lead offensive player. He's not and never was supposed to be, he's the second option.

[JBSouthpaw]

The demise of Franz has been greatly exaggerated.
He was Franztastic last night.

[pepe1991]

The demise of Franz has been greatly exaggerated.
He was Franztastic last night.

*Fantastic whole last year*
And solid in playoffs.

[RichCollab]

Franz had put himself in the hurt locker for the on court shooting issues.

Hopefully last night was a freeing moment.

[JBSouthpaw]

Franz had put himself in the hurt locker for the on court shooting issues.

Hopefully last night was a freeing moment.

It's once again amazing he made 6 baskets around the rim and NO FTs.
I guess he's getting TOO open???

Read on Twitter

[The-Stallion70]

You know... people are roasting KAT Mikal OG and randle for their performance in opening night, i shudder to think what they will say to this elephant if qe lost to MIA while he goes 0-8 on 3s.

People who are roasting players who made trades month ago after one game shouldn't be taken serious tho.
Especially if those players are matched vs either best team in a league or team with two- top 10 players


I hope forum won't turn into 24-7 crying about Franz shooting in context of max contract.
Franz shot 28% for 3 and had better efficiency numbers than majority of the roster.

It’s not about Franz’ overall efficiency though. It’s about how much harder things are for the team if opponents start leaving him wide open and clog the paint for the others. It’s about the overall effect on the offense.

We should talk about Paolo's finishing at least as much as Franz' 3 point shooting.

[JoshuaPotter]

People who are roasting players who made trades month ago after one game shouldn't be taken serious tho.
Especially if those players are matched vs either best team in a league or team with two- top 10 players


I hope forum won't turn into 24-7 crying about Franz shooting in context of max contract.
Franz shot 28% for 3 and had better efficiency numbers than majority of the roster.

It’s not about Franz’ overall efficiency though. It’s about how much harder things are for the team if opponents start leaving him wide open and clog the paint for the others. It’s about the overall effect on the offense.

We should talk about Paolo's finishing at least as much as Franz' 3 point shooting.

You guys make it sound like the game plan going forward is going to be leaving Franz wide open every game. I imagine if opponents dare him to shoot 3-ball he will average close to .40.

[J-Mezzy]

Good game last night

Hopefully he regains all of our faith

[Residual-Heat]

This reminds me of how many people thought Tatum+Brown was never going to to work and that one of them should be traded...
viewtopic.php?t=2292434&start=20

They literally went to game 7 of ECF when Tatum was 19 and Brown was 21

And 19 years old Tatum led them in scoring in playoffs

Tatum at age of 26 has 68 playoff victories. For reference point, Embiid, 4 years older, has played 59 playoff games in his career

People who thought that are special type of people, not in a good way. What's the argument? This team that continues to pop to finals, conference finals really can't make next step and win 4 more games? Oh and they are one of best regular season teams year after year? Let's trade them!

Thats cool. Franz and Paolo are better than they were at their age though, and will IMO be better soon .

Ofcourse in the end they won a chip and proved everyone wrong, but there were a lot of people saying that they should be broken up, even some Celtics fans. Talking about how the fit isnt ideal, and frankly there is some truth to that. They have a stacked team, have had stacked teams and elite coaches most of their careers, but Tatum and Brown never really played that well off each other.
For context here are some stats from last season:
Tatum assists to Brown + Brown assists to Tatum= 43+ 31= 74
Paolo assists to Franz+ Franz assists to Paolo= 81+ 50= 131

Thats almost twice as many assists. Its a massive difference. Paolo and Franz were in their second year together. Tatum and Brown were in their 7th season together.

Whats the argument for breaking up Paolo and Franz? They had a very successful season last year winning 47 games in their 2nd season together and they did it as the clear best players on their team. They are still on their rookie contracts. Some people need to chill and enjoy their growth, they're on the right track. Paolo's 3 is improving and Franz has shown he can be a good enough shooter.