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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#121 » by T-Cat » Tue Jun 17, 2025 3:20 pm

AdamTheGreek wrote:Wendell cannot handle a starting center workload. His plantar fasciitis is never going away.
In the exit interview Wendell mentioned how banged up and injured he was (even though we rarely put him on the injury list, similar to KCP).
If you’re talking backup C or PF who can occasionally start due to injury, sure. But that only works for the coming season. Next summer he makes $18 mil.
We need to trade him now while his salary is still friendly.

Our coaching staff does not fully utilize and respect Goga, so I can see Goga getting traded in a package for a big man upgrade, or to a team who can absorb his $8 mil. with a TPE.

Mo is going to be re-signed as our backup center or PF depending on if we hopefully ship Isaac out.

Gafford, Valanciunas, Poeltl, Nurkic, Vooch, Brook Lopez are all goes who for 1 season could start for us. All come with various concerns/risks, but all if healthy are undeniably good enough to start next to Paolo, Franz, Suggs, and Bane.

Raynaud will be gone before 25 (maybe before 16 even).


We have to upgrade our starting center spot. Wendell physically cannot handle it.


I think our front office notices certain players availability and if the right deal came along, we would upgrade as necessary!
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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#122 » by Fortune Teller » Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:34 pm

Just looked at Hoops Hype salaries, I didn't realize how bad Wendell's contract was. Yikes.
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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#123 » by The Effect » Tue Jun 17, 2025 5:17 pm

VFX wrote:What would I like to see?

Wendell and Goga moved.
A starting level Center is acquired. (Poeltl, Turner, Kessler, Capela)
A big, or true Center, is drafted at some point.

Basically consolidating our cap % into one starting level guy, Moe off the bench, and a rookie scale third string

What would I be OK with?

Carter moved and Goga starts. Magic draft a potential third string guy.

If we can trade Wendell and somehow end up with Kessler, this would be the best offseason in a long time

Not sure we can make that happen, especially consider who runs the jazz, but if weltman can pull it off, they will buy alot of goodwill from me :lol:
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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#124 » by fendilim » Tue Jun 17, 2025 5:18 pm

Fortune Teller wrote:Just looked at Hoops Hype salaries, I didn't realize how bad Wendell's contract was. Yikes.

It’s not that bad. Its projected to be close to the MLE of their respective year.

It just looks big to us poor people. Lol
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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#125 » by The Effect » Tue Jun 17, 2025 5:19 pm

Fortune Teller wrote:Just looked at Hoops Hype salaries, I didn't realize how bad Wendell's contract was. Yikes.

Yeah
He was on a nice contract, but that extension he got last year was nasty. Didnt understand it then, even worse now

last year, between his deal, JI and KCP, it just kept getting worst by the day
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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#126 » by Airgordon00 » Tue Jun 17, 2025 5:26 pm

3 team trade to solve our center position:

Magic get Kristaps porzingis

Celtics get Johnathan Isaac, Wendell Carter jr., Noah clowney.

Nets get Sam hauser, Jett Howard, 46th pick and 2 future 2nds from the Celtics.

Nets get a solid player in hauser who they can flip again if they want to get more assets. They get Jett who needs an opportunity and his dad is a coach for them. Plus some picks.

Celtics do this to clear some cap space while still getting solid vets back.

Magic get a stretch 5 that unlocks our teams true potential while also giving us a shot blocking threat.
Bane/Black
Suggs/FA
Franz/TDS
Paolo/Moe
Porzingis/Goga

We would still have solid depth behind Porzingis for when he has his normal injury bug. Maybe we can get NAW on the mid level exception. Then sign some solid minimum vets who are chasing that ring to fill out the rest of the roster. That team could be a championship contender immediately.
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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#127 » by ProfX » Tue Jun 17, 2025 5:35 pm

anothermagicfan wrote:WCJ has some impressive games here and there, just like Cole. More often than not isn't that good. Doesn't protect the rim. Doesn't control the boards. The stupid pump fake and hold onto the ball trying to decide who to pass it to up on top of the arc just stagnates the ball movement and allows defenses to recover. He kills the offense and his defense is not what we need as a starting center. He is very good as a center switching to smaller players and he's also very good at missing 20 games a year. If he did all of this at 10 mil per as a backup I'd love him for this team. As a starter for almost 20 mil per is a weakness for the magic.
Exactly between injury and inconsistency he needs to go. Id like to hold on to goga and ji unless we got a great deal. One might have to be packaged to get a legit 15 10 center

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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#128 » by The Effect » Tue Jun 17, 2025 5:37 pm

fendilim wrote:
Fortune Teller wrote:Just looked at Hoops Hype salaries, I didn't realize how bad Wendell's contract was. Yikes.

It’s not that bad. Its projected to be close to the MLE of their respective year.

It just looks big to us poor people. Lol

I dont know, 20m per for the next 3 years for a below average C seems bad to me?
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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#129 » by ProfX » Tue Jun 17, 2025 5:43 pm

AdamTheGreek wrote:
Skybox wrote:

I like Domantas, but his salary is brutal.

Lauri and Vooch are cheaper and do similar things as Sabonis.


I think Vooch would work for us..good offensive rebounder. Stretches the floor. Not a rim protector but good with defensive rotation.

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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#130 » by JBSouthpaw » Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:26 pm

Airgordon00 wrote:3 team trade to solve our center position:

Magic get Kristaps porzingis

Celtics get Johnathan Isaac, Wendell Carter jr., Noah clowney.

Nets get Sam hauser, Jett Howard, 46th pick and 2 future 2nds from the Celtics.

Nets get a solid player in hauser who they can flip again if they want to get more assets. They get Jett who needs an opportunity and his dad is a coach for them. Plus some picks.

Celtics do this to clear some cap space while still getting solid vets back.

Magic get a stretch 5 that unlocks our teams true potential while also giving us a shot blocking threat.
Bane/Black
Suggs/FA
Franz/TDS
Paolo/Moe
Porzingis/Goga

We would still have solid depth behind Porzingis for when he has his normal injury bug. Maybe we can get NAW on the mid level exception. Then sign some solid minimum vets who are chasing that ring to fill out the rest of the roster. That team could be a championship contender immediately.


Porzingis is done, not the player we go after being "all in".
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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#131 » by anothermagicfan » Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:10 pm

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anothermagicfan wrote:WCJ has some impressive games here and there, just like Cole. More often than not isn't that good. Doesn't protect the rim. Doesn't control the boards. The stupid pump fake and hold onto the ball trying to decide who to pass it to up on top of the arc just stagnates the ball movement and allows defenses to recover. He kills the offense and his defense is not what we need as a starting center. He is very good as a center switching to smaller players and he's also very good at missing 20 games a year. If he did all of this at 10 mil per as a backup I'd love him for this team. As a starter for almost 20 mil per is a weakness for the magic.
Exactly between injury and inconsistency he needs to go. Id like to hold on to goga and ji unless we got a great deal. One might have to be packaged to get a legit 15 10 center

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I'm actually ok with Goga and Mo getting most of the center minutes. We just don't know when Mo will be ready to go again. There was talk last year that Goga works on his 3 point shot a lot he just doesn't try many in games. If he developed a 3 ball he would instantly be a great match for the center we need.

For me the thing with WCJ is he's just so inconsistent and misses a lot of games every year. Like it or not he's the new Cole. A few good games and a bunch of bad games. At this point it's about his contract going into next season. A lot of money spent on the top 4 guys next season to have 18-19 on WCJ. I think it would be easier to move him now.

Who knows he might work out really well with this group too
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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#132 » by Skybox » Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:27 pm

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ProfX wrote:
anothermagicfan wrote:WCJ has some impressive games here and there, just like Cole. More often than not isn't that good. Doesn't protect the rim. Doesn't control the boards. The stupid pump fake and hold onto the ball trying to decide who to pass it to up on top of the arc just stagnates the ball movement and allows defenses to recover. He kills the offense and his defense is not what we need as a starting center. He is very good as a center switching to smaller players and he's also very good at missing 20 games a year. If he did all of this at 10 mil per as a backup I'd love him for this team. As a starter for almost 20 mil per is a weakness for the magic.
Exactly between injury and inconsistency he needs to go. Id like to hold on to goga and ji unless we got a great deal. One might have to be packaged to get a legit 15 10 center

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I'm actually ok with Goga and Mo getting most of the center minutes. We just don't know when Mo will be ready to go again. There was talk last year that Goga works on his 3 point shot a lot he just doesn't try many in games. If he developed a 3 ball he would instantly be a great match for the center we need.

For me the thing with WCJ is he's just so inconsistent and misses a lot of games every year. Like it or not he's the new Cole. A few good games and a bunch of bad games. At this point it's about his contract going into next season. A lot of money spent on the top 4 guys next season to have 18-19 on WCJ. I think it would be easier to move him now.

Who knows he might work out really well with this group too


WCJ is supposed to be a shooter, but his shooting sucked this year...BUT you could say the same about everyone (literally) on the team. We're all super excited about Bane but the lack of a viable offensive scheme still hangs over the team.

Hopefully, there's a fix coming and Bane is a large part of it...and, hopefully, the effect will be felt all over the roster - including WCJ.

WCJ's the best Center on the roster, but he's not good enough (historically) for this team to contend. He's young and talented, if he does the following, he might yet earn that foolish extension...
1)stay healthy-not saying he's at fault, but the blame really doesn't matter if he's not able to play to his capabilities or at all
2) give a consistent effort rebounding and make good decisions on both ends...no reason he can't average 10 a game (again), including offensive ones
3) Shoot the damn ball - and make it....hopefully, Bane's preferred spot at the top of the key will allow WCJ to take those corner 3's he's less hesitant to take.
4) give the impressive defensive effort we saw in the brief playoff showing vs BOS...when he's playing angry, he's really capable of being very good. His perimeter defense and ability to switch is really exceptional for a guy as sturdy as he is. I have no doubt that's why he always gets the nod over Goga and, blasphemy or not, Moe is a very limited player...for all of the dissection of Anfernee Simons we listen to, Moe is just a bigger one. That's why he's never given serious consideration to start - no matter who's out. I love the guy, but he is a role player and requires defensive babysitting from Isaac.

Having said all of that, WCJ is said to be the most popular personality on the team. I think he's a heady, versatile guy who is the ONLY player on the team I trust to go get a ferocious critical rebound in traffic. If he could just put it together and tighten it up a bit, he'll be fine. Because of all of those doubts/questions, I'd really love to have a Gafford/WCJ platoon, with a vet min watching...or a Gafford or better starter, with a Moe/Isaac big man reserve crew.
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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#133 » by anothermagicfan » Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:04 pm

anothermagicfan wrote:
ProfX wrote:
anothermagicfan wrote:WCJ has some impressive games here and there, just like Cole. More often than not isn't that good. Doesn't protect the rim. Doesn't control the boards. The stupid pump fake and hold onto the ball trying to decide who to pass it to up on top of the arc just stagnates the ball movement and allows defenses to recover. He kills the offense and his defense is not what we need as a starting center. He is very good as a center switching to smaller players and he's also very good at missing 20 games a year. If he did all of this at 10 mil per as a backup I'd love him for this team. As a starter for almost 20 mil per is a weakness for the magic.
Exactly between injury and inconsistency he needs to go. Id like to hold on to goga and ji unless we got a great deal. One might have to be packaged to get a legit 15 10 center

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I'm actually ok with Goga and Mo getting most of the center minutes. We just don't know when Mo will be ready to go again. There was talk last year that Goga works on his 3 point shot a lot he just doesn't try many in games. If he developed a 3 ball he would instantly be a great match for the center we need.

For me the thing with WCJ is he's just so inconsistent and misses a lot of games every year. Like it or not he's the new Cole. A few good games and a bunch of bad games. At this point it's about his contract going into next season. A lot of money spent on the top 4 guys next season to have 18-19 on WCJ. I think it would be easier to move him now.

Who knows he might work out really well with this group too



He turned 26 in April and just completed his 7th season in the league. 68 games played this last year was his most and he scored 9 points a game and shot 46/24/73 with 7 rebound and 2 assists a game and less than a block or steal a game. That is not what you want out of your starting center getting ready to be paid almost 20 million in the next few years.
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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#134 » by Def Swami » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:53 am

AdamTheGreek wrote:Wendell cannot handle a starting center workload. His plantar fasciitis is never going away.
In the exit interview Wendell mentioned how banged up and injured he was (even though we rarely put him on the injury list, similar to KCP).
If you’re talking backup C or PF who can occasionally start due to injury, sure. But that only works for the coming season. Next summer he makes $18 mil.
We need to trade him now while his salary is still friendly.

Our coaching staff does not fully utilize and respect Goga, so I can see Goga getting traded in a package for a big man upgrade, or to a team who can absorb his $8 mil. with a TPE.

Mo is going to be re-signed as our backup center or PF depending on if we hopefully ship Isaac out.

Gafford, Valanciunas, Poeltl, Nurkic, Vooch, Brook Lopez are all goes who for 1 season could start for us. All come with various concerns/risks, but all if healthy are undeniably good enough to start next to Paolo, Franz, Suggs, and Bane.

Raynaud will be gone before 25 (maybe before 16 even).


We have to upgrade our starting center spot. Wendell physically cannot handle it.

Agreed. I think this is the next major upgrade on the docket for us.
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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#135 » by cedric76 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:29 am

The Effect wrote:
fendilim wrote:
Fortune Teller wrote:Just looked at Hoops Hype salaries, I didn't realize how bad Wendell's contract was. Yikes.

It’s not that bad. Its projected to be close to the MLE of their respective year.

It just looks big to us poor people. Lol

I dont know, 20m per for the next 3 years for a below average C seems bad to me?



:-). WCJ isn't a below average C
Suggs/Black/Joseph
Bane/Jett/Harris
F-Wagner/da Silva/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac/Moe
Carter/Goga/Raynaud
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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#136 » by basketballRob » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:31 am

Our biggest need on the roster today is guards.

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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#137 » by Rainwater » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:32 am

JBSouthpaw wrote:
Airgordon00 wrote:3 team trade to solve our center position:

Magic get Kristaps porzingis

Celtics get Johnathan Isaac, Wendell Carter jr., Noah clowney.

Nets get Sam hauser, Jett Howard, 46th pick and 2 future 2nds from the Celtics.

Nets get a solid player in hauser who they can flip again if they want to get more assets. They get Jett who needs an opportunity and his dad is a coach for them. Plus some picks.

Celtics do this to clear some cap space while still getting solid vets back.

Magic get a stretch 5 that unlocks our teams true potential while also giving us a shot blocking threat.
Bane/Black
Suggs/FA
Franz/TDS
Paolo/Moe
Porzingis/Goga

We would still have solid depth behind Porzingis for when he has his normal injury bug. Maybe we can get NAW on the mid level exception. Then sign some solid minimum vets who are chasing that ring to fill out the rest of the roster. That team could be a championship contender immediately.


Porzingis is done, not the player we go after being "all in".


Yeah, Porzingis is such a soft and flawed player. Dude is completely useless if he can’t shoot 3s.
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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#138 » by Skybox » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:08 am

cedric76 wrote:
The Effect wrote:
fendilim wrote:It’s not that bad. Its projected to be close to the MLE of their respective year.

It just looks big to us poor people. Lol

I dont know, 20m per for the next 3 years for a below average C seems bad to me?



:-). WCJ isn't a below average C


He's absolutely a below average STARTING Center
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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#139 » by Skybox » Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:49 pm

Rainwater wrote:
JBSouthpaw wrote:
Airgordon00 wrote:3 team trade to solve our center position:

Magic get Kristaps porzingis

Celtics get Johnathan Isaac, Wendell Carter jr., Noah clowney.

Nets get Sam hauser, Jett Howard, 46th pick and 2 future 2nds from the Celtics.

Nets get a solid player in hauser who they can flip again if they want to get more assets. They get Jett who needs an opportunity and his dad is a coach for them. Plus some picks.

Celtics do this to clear some cap space while still getting solid vets back.

Magic get a stretch 5 that unlocks our teams true potential while also giving us a shot blocking threat.
Bane/Black
Suggs/FA
Franz/TDS
Paolo/Moe
Porzingis/Goga

We would still have solid depth behind Porzingis for when he has his normal injury bug. Maybe we can get NAW on the mid level exception. Then sign some solid minimum vets who are chasing that ring to fill out the rest of the roster. That team could be a championship contender immediately.


Porzingis is done, not the player we go after being "all in".


Yeah, Porzingis is such a soft and flawed player. Dude is completely useless if he can’t shoot 3s.


Just not true...he's very impactful defensively and can do damage in the post...part of the problem for him in DAL was that he was relegated to being Luka's spot-up guy and he knows he's got a lot more to offer. The ONLY issue with KP is his health...which is significant enough to scare ORL away unless there was some really significant addtl. benefit.

I'd do...
BOS sends: KP (30.7)
ORL sends: Isaac (15), Goga (8.3), Jett (5.5)

and send #25 for Sam Hauser into MLE (wink wink-this is a "separate deal" to save them money)

BOS is only interested in saving money...this really doesn't do anything too significant for them on-court, so I'd expect a 'click' . Notice I held onto WCJ because I just can't count on KP
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Re: What about the Center Spot? 

Post#140 » by Skybox » Wed Jun 18, 2025 2:53 pm

Not sure it deserves its own thread, so I'll post it here....

I'd sure like to keep an eye on Moe Wagner's status.
-Weltman or Mose said they expect to see him for training camp, but I assume they mean "rehabbing"
-The consensus opinion is that ACL "takes a year" and that he should return around December...is that "fully healed to 100%" or just able to train?
...reality is, like most injuries, there are many degrees of severity and many variables that affect recovery time. Moe looked pretty mobile on the bench towards the end of the season...Suggs too (who I am assuming will participate fully in camp). We can't just say "ACL tear =365 days".
-Another consideration is - when he DOES return, how long will it take for him to be at 100%? Trusting your body is a thing for sure and can take time.

Just the facts...
-Nobody else will jump to sign him this summer, with that injury...if anyone does make an offer, it might be a low-ball attempt to steal him while down
-It's a very safe bet that he and Weltman have already discussed the next moves...I can't imagine they just decline his option and he reads it here
-I assume he's back on a multi-year, reduced salary deal...which he should be grateful for, imo...3yrs, fully guaranteed, $24m...front-loaded, if possible.
-Moe is very good for ORL and ORL has been very good for him...he was not a major draw anywhere and he got paid more for each year in ORL, than his previous deals combined. It's a win-win but it's not like ORL should be terrified of offending him with a fair offer, given the stakes of the next few seasons for this franchise. ORL doesn't owe him any more blind loyalty than they did Cole (or that he owes the org).

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