Magic Offseason Finances Update

[Skybox]

Magic aren’t going to loose MoW just to sign a MLE scrub that a team doesn’t want to pay.
If the Magic decline MoW he’s not signing for 7 mil with no bird rights, he’s signing the MLE on another team.

If another team offers him the full MLE , we shouldn't match unfortunately

You cant give a full MLE to a guy that is coming off a big injury and put you would put you above the 2nd apron next season

I m a big fan of Moe and dont want to upset Franz but business is business

I like Moe...but welcome to the big time, ORL Magic fans.

BOS likes Jrue and Porzingis too

[Knightro]

Magic aren’t going to loose MoW just to sign a MLE scrub that a team doesn’t want to pay.
If the Magic decline MoW he’s not signing for 7 mil with no bird rights, he’s signing the MLE on another team.

If another team offers him the full MLE , we shouldn't match unfortunately

You cant give a full MLE to a guy that is coming off a big injury and put you would put you above the 2nd apron next season

I m a big fan of Moe and dont want to upset Franz but business is business

The thing is though, Moe's on a 1-year deal for next season if the Magic want it and it wouldn't impact the 26-27 finances if they just pick up his option.

So if they decline his option, I think it has to be because they have another free agent signing or trade lined up that they needed to create financial space for.

[anothermagicfan]

Franz Wagner 38,661,700
Desmond Bane 36,725,670
Jalen Suggs 35,000,000
Paolo Banchero 15,334,769
Jonathan Isaac 15,000,000
Wendell Carter 10,850,000
Goga Bitadze 8,333,333
Anthony Black 7,970,028
Jett Howard 5,529,506
Tristan da Silva 3,809,520
Jase: 2,983,320
Caleb Houstan 2,187,451
Noah around 2,500,000
Gary Harris at vet min: 3,634,148 (we need 3rd SG, gary can fill that job)

This leaves us around 7.425M under the 1st Apron

Would Moe accept a 15M over 2 yrs contract (1+1)


Suggs,AB,Jase
Bane,Jett,Gary
Franz,TDS,Houstan
Paolo,JI,Panda
WCJ,Goga,Moe

Core rotation players:
Suggs,Bane,Franz,P5,Wcj

Bench:
JI,AB, TDS, Goga (till Moe comes back)

Deep bench (unlikely to get much PT)
Jett, Jase, Gary, Noah

We don't know what Penda's contract will be, but the min is 1,272,869. So I will use that for now. Meaning that, as of today, the Magic is at:
1 Franz Wagner 38,661,700
2 Desmond Bane 36,725,670
3 Jalen Suggs 35,000,000
4 Paolo Banchero 15,334,769
5 Jonathan Isaac 15,000,000
6 Wendell Carter 10,850,000
7 Goga Bitadze 8,333,333
8 Anthony Black 7,970,028
9 Jett Howard 5,529,506
10 Tristan da Silva 3,809,520
11 Richardson 2,983,320
12 Penda 1,272,869
13 Moritz Wagner 11,000,000
14 Caleb Houstan 2,187,451

Which is 181,470,715 without 13 and 14 and 194,658,166 with all 14. As the apron is about 195,900,000, the Magic is some 1.3M in the clear and has a roster to play out 2025/26. Will this change? Probably. But as of today, we fans can see one version of this team.

Let's say we decline mo and Caleb to be at 181.47. would it be feasible in free agency to go after Myles Turner in a sign and trade for WCJ and JI? That's almost 26 million for matching salaries purposes. If that pipe dream happened would we be hard capped and no longer able to offer mo anything he'd accept? Or no longer able to add a Dinwiddie or Westbrook at vet minimum to go for a Ring?

[dsg2021]

Complete madness to see any scenarios that would not have Mo Wagner back. I would pick up his TO if we can't negotiate a lower first year. I'm not letting him go.

Run the numbers with trading Goga and Jett into nothing but as much cap/tpe space as possible. Goga will even probably fetch us two 2nd's or like a top-22 protected 1st. Maybe Jett will cost us one or two 2nd's to trade into cap space. And I believe Caleb is a TO to decline into pure space too (we can get him again later in the summer if we really want, after the cap space moves).

My very basic math says $177,377,000 with a $187,900,000 luxury tax line, and a $195,900,000 1st apron that we get hard-locked into for 12 months upon using both the 14.1 mil MLE and 5.1 mil BAE. I did not include Penda's contract because of what Knightro said about 2nd round pick exceptions not affecting cap space for the most important part of the summer.

[eyriq]

It feels increasingly likely we avoid using the full NT-MLE, since that would hard-cap us at the first apron. Even if we don’t exceed it, I expect the front office will want to preserve flexibility.

Our bench is overloaded with defense but lacks creation and spacing. We could lean into internal growth...trusting Jett or Jase, AB, and TDS more heavily while increasing staggered minutes...but I think we also end up deploying the $5.7M T-MLE to rebalance the rotation and then re-sign Moritz. That leaves spot #15 for a vet minimum addition.

I'd prefer NAW or Jerome but now think the only way we get a major bench contributor is through a trade.

[cedric76]

If you look at the Numbers, we should only be above the 2nd apron for the season 2026-2027, then we ll drop well below it, we could even be below the 1st apron.

I m pretty sure the ownership gave Jett the green light to go above the 2nd apron for 26-27 but under the condition that we ll be under the 1st apron this season.

So negotiations with Moe will be very important.

[Magic_Johnny12]

It feels increasingly likely we avoid using the full NT-MLE, since that would hard-cap us at the first apron. Even if we don’t exceed it, I expect the front office will want to preserve flexibility.

Our bench is overloaded with defense but lacks creation and spacing.but I think we also end up deploying the $5.7M T-MLE to rebalance the rotation and then re-sign Moritz. That leaves spot #15 for a vet minimum addition.

It’s slim pickings out there, a few realistic options with the $5.7M T-MLE:

- Dante Exum
- De'Anthony Melton
- Kyle Lowry
- Monte Morris
- Cameron Payne
- Malcolm Brogdon

Maybe, depending on the market but I doubt it

- Tre Jones
- Tyus Jones
- Spencer Dinwiddie

Everyone else imo would command more (there’s rumor of Sacramento offering the NT-MLE to Shroder.

Out of this group, I kinda prefer Exum. He could be a sneaky good pickup. Followed up with Dinwiddie.

[cedric76]

It feels increasingly likely we avoid using the full NT-MLE, since that would hard-cap us at the first apron. Even if we don’t exceed it, I expect the front office will want to preserve flexibility.

Our bench is overloaded with defense but lacks creation and spacing.but I think we also end up deploying the $5.7M T-MLE to rebalance the rotation and then re-sign Moritz. That leaves spot #15 for a vet minimum addition.

It’s slim pickings out there, a few realistic options with the $5.7M T-MLE:

- Dante Exum
- De'Anthony Melton
- Kyle Lowry
- Monte Morris
- Cameron Payne
- Malcolm Brogdon

Maybe, depending on the market but I doubt it

- Tre Jones
- Tyus Jones
- Spencer Dinwiddie

Everyone else imo would command more (there’s rumor of Sacramento offering the NT-MLE to Shroder.

Out of this group, I kinda prefer Exum. He could be a sneaky good pickup. Followed up with Dinwiddie.

I d love to get De'Anthony Melton, I really wanted him last year

[Magic_Johnny12]

It feels increasingly likely we avoid using the full NT-MLE, since that would hard-cap us at the first apron. Even if we don’t exceed it, I expect the front office will want to preserve flexibility.

Our bench is overloaded with defense but lacks creation and spacing.but I think we also end up deploying the $5.7M T-MLE to rebalance the rotation and then re-sign Moritz. That leaves spot #15 for a vet minimum addition.

It’s slim pickings out there, a few realistic options with the $5.7M T-MLE:

- Dante Exum
- De'Anthony Melton
- Kyle Lowry
- Monte Morris
- Cameron Payne
- Malcolm Brogdon

Maybe, depending on the market but I doubt it

- Tre Jones
- Tyus Jones
- Spencer Dinwiddie

Everyone else imo would command more (there’s rumor of Sacramento offering the NT-MLE to Shroder.

Out of this group, I kinda prefer Exum. He could be a sneaky good pickup. Followed up with Dinwiddie.

I d love to get De'Anthony Melton, I really wanted him last year

Tore his ACL December 4th of last year, should be ready by the start of the season but still risky.

Orlando would have Suggs/Melton/Isaac/Wagner all with severe knee injury history.

[eyriq]

It feels increasingly likely we avoid using the full NT-MLE, since that would hard-cap us at the first apron. Even if we don’t exceed it, I expect the front office will want to preserve flexibility.

Our bench is overloaded with defense but lacks creation and spacing.but I think we also end up deploying the $5.7M T-MLE to rebalance the rotation and then re-sign Moritz. That leaves spot #15 for a vet minimum addition.

It’s slim pickings out there, a few realistic options with the $5.7M T-MLE:

- Dante Exum
- De'Anthony Melton
- Kyle Lowry
- Monte Morris
- Cameron Payne
- Malcolm Brogdon

Maybe, depending on the market but I doubt it

- Tre Jones
- Tyus Jones
- Spencer Dinwiddie

Everyone else imo would command more (there’s rumor of Sacramento offering the NT-MLE to Shroder.

Out of this group, I kinda prefer Exum. He could be a sneaky good pickup. Followed up with Dinwiddie.

We need another rebalancing trade. I've finally caught up with the logic suggesting we re-sign Moritz and trade Goga.

[cedric76]

It’s slim pickings out there, a few realistic options with the $5.7M T-MLE:

- Dante Exum
- De'Anthony Melton
- Kyle Lowry
- Monte Morris
- Cameron Payne
- Malcolm Brogdon

Maybe, depending on the market but I doubt it

- Tre Jones
- Tyus Jones
- Spencer Dinwiddie

Everyone else imo would command more (there’s rumor of Sacramento offering the NT-MLE to Shroder.

Out of this group, I kinda prefer Exum. He could be a sneaky good pickup. Followed up with Dinwiddie.

I d love to get De'Anthony Melton, I really wanted him last year

Tore his ACL December 4th of last year, should be ready by the start of the season but still risky.

Orlando would have Suggs/Melton/Isaac/Wagner all with severe knee injury history.

Very risky and this is why he should be very cheap

[Skybox]

It feels increasingly likely we avoid using the full NT-MLE, since that would hard-cap us at the first apron. Even if we don’t exceed it, I expect the front office will want to preserve flexibility.

Our bench is overloaded with defense but lacks creation and spacing.but I think we also end up deploying the $5.7M T-MLE to rebalance the rotation and then re-sign Moritz. That leaves spot #15 for a vet minimum addition.

It’s slim pickings out there, a few realistic options with the $5.7M T-MLE:

- Dante Exum
- De'Anthony Melton
- Kyle Lowry
- Monte Morris
- Cameron Payne
- Malcolm Brogdon

Maybe, depending on the market but I doubt it

- Tre Jones
- Tyus Jones
- Spencer Dinwiddie

Everyone else imo would command more (there’s rumor of Sacramento offering the NT-MLE to Shroder.

Out of this group, I kinda prefer Exum. He could be a sneaky good pickup. Followed up with Dinwiddie.

I'd certainly want to look in on Brogdon - he really vanished from all of the trade talk at TD and I just don't know why WAS would've just let him drift away or why he would be okay with that - unless he's really physically diminished.

I don't think CoJo is too far off of this list - especially considering salary. I'd take him over Lowry or an injured Melton.

[Orlando Dawg]

Magic aren’t going to loose MoW just to sign a MLE scrub that a team doesn’t want to pay.
If the Magic decline MoW he’s not signing for 7 mil with no bird rights, he’s signing the MLE on another team.

If another team offers him the full MLE , we shouldn't match unfortunately

You cant give a full MLE to a guy that is coming off a big injury and put you would put you above the 2nd apron next season

I m a big fan of Moe and dont want to upset Franz but business is business

I like Moe...but welcome to the big time, ORL Magic fans.

BOS likes Jrue and Porzingis too

Boston is going down though and the Magic are going up.
Boston would trade their whole team for Orlando’s whole team right now.

[GGforever]

Magic aren’t going to loose MoW just to sign a MLE scrub that a team doesn’t want to pay.
If the Magic decline MoW he’s not signing for 7 mil with no bird rights, he’s signing the MLE on another team.

If another team offers him the full MLE , we shouldn't match unfortunately

You cant give a full MLE to a guy that is coming off a big injury and put you would put you above the 2nd apron next season

I m a big fan of Moe and dont want to upset Franz but business is business

I like Moe...but welcome to the big time, ORL Magic fans.

BOS likes Jrue and Porzingis too

I’m sure Franz would love that. Losing your brother, best friend, and roommate would be great. Not to mention he is and was our most important bench player. Completely opposite from Thanasis in Milwaukee.
People in this chat don’t use their brain much of the time.

Now if Moe wanted to move on from Orlando, then that is a different story.

[Skybox]

If another team offers him the full MLE , we shouldn't match unfortunately

You cant give a full MLE to a guy that is coming off a big injury and put you would put you above the 2nd apron next season

I m a big fan of Moe and dont want to upset Franz but business is business

I like Moe...but welcome to the big time, ORL Magic fans.

BOS likes Jrue and Porzingis too

I’m sure Franz would love that. Losing your brother, best friend, and roommate would be great. Not to mention he is and was our most important bench player. Completely opposite from Thanasis in Milwaukee.
People in this chat don’t use their brain much of the time.

Now if Moe wanted to move on from Orlando, then that is a different story.

They are professionals making millions of dollars...grow up-I'm sure they have

[jezzerinho]

I d love to get De'Anthony Melton, I really wanted him last year

Tore his ACL December 4th of last year, should be ready by the start of the season but still risky.

Orlando would have Suggs/Melton/Isaac/Wagner all with severe knee injury history.

Very risky and this is why he should be very cheap

ACL repairs are routine now and recovery is typically full. Little.enough risk involved.

The risky ones are the achilles, the trifecta (ACL/MCL/meniscus) and a lot of toe injuries are notoriously difficult heals.

[dsg2021]

It feels increasingly likely we avoid using the full NT-MLE, since that would hard-cap us at the first apron. Even if we don’t exceed it, I expect the front office will want to preserve flexibility.

Our bench is overloaded with defense but lacks creation and spacing.but I think we also end up deploying the $5.7M T-MLE to rebalance the rotation and then re-sign Moritz. That leaves spot #15 for a vet minimum addition.

It’s slim pickings out there, a few realistic options with the $5.7M T-MLE:

- Dante Exum
- De'Anthony Melton
- Kyle Lowry
- Monte Morris
- Cameron Payne
- Malcolm Brogdon

Maybe, depending on the market but I doubt it

- Tre Jones
- Tyus Jones
- Spencer Dinwiddie

Everyone else imo would command more (there’s rumor of Sacramento offering the NT-MLE to Shroder.

Out of this group, I kinda prefer Exum. He could be a sneaky good pickup. Followed up with Dinwiddie.

I d love to get De'Anthony Melton, I really wanted him last year

That would be a sleeper pickup for me too, I'm a fan.

[BCS]

My ideal free agency:

Decline Wagner, pick up Caleb's option (cheap).

Sign and trade for Bobby Portis ($15-$17m deal, unfortunately that is as high as we could likely go. Use Goga and Jett for the sign and trade.

Sign Exum and Kennard for $5.5m each or less. There are others I am fine with as well, decided on these 2 because of Kennards useful elite shooting and Exums fit, size and length at PG, his injuries do worry me tho.

Resign Wagner for $7-$8m a year, 1+1 or 2+1, this time with a player option instead to give him insurance.

Hmm...just redid the math and we will still be off, for this to work a few of the following would need to happen, not bring back Caleb or Moe, offer Bobby only $15m, offer Moe only $7m, at least one if not both of the players we sign will have to accept vet min contract.


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[fendilim]

Is there a deadline when we have to make a move in order to get the signficant MLE amount?

[anothermagicfan]

Today is the deadline for mos option and tomorrow for Caleb. We should have a better picture of the roster in a week or 2.

The anticipation is killing me lol