Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory

[Skin]

I think Vuc will be a huge piece if we have a Guard/wing who can score and assist. Thus Vuc is not going to be the no.1 option but second or third

Buddy ball not enough?

[Skin]

Vuc becoming a HUGE trading chip

Not if you ask fans of other teams in the T/T forum. Lol

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[BadMofoPimp]

Hopefully, the Magic can swing a trade for a legit number one option to pair up with Vooch over the next 3-5 years.

[Knightro]

I think Vuc will be a huge piece if we have a Guard/wing who can score and assist. Thus Vuc is not going to be the no.1 option but second or third

The million dollar question... how do the Magic acquire a guard/wing who can score and assist when they have no cap space, no valuable trade assets and the 15th draft pick?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I think Vuc will be a huge piece if we have a Guard/wing who can score and assist. Thus Vuc is not going to be the no.1 option but second or third

The million dollar question... how do the Magic acquire a guard/wing who can score and assist when they have no cap space, no valuable trade assets and the 15th draft pick?

BINGOOOOO

[cedric76]

Vuc becoming a HUGE trading chip

Not if you ask fans of other teams in the T/T forum. Lol

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1987458

Fans know so much about basketball....... Not

[J-Mezzy]

I think Vuc will be a huge piece if we have a Guard/wing who can score and assist. Thus Vuc is not going to be the no.1 option but second or third

The million dollar question... how do the Magic acquire a guard/wing who can score and assist when they have no cap space, no valuable trade assets and the 15th draft pick?

Pray for a miracle?

[Skin]

Vuc becoming a HUGE trading chip

Not if you ask fans of other teams in the T/T forum. Lol

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1987458

Fans know so much about basketball....... Not

Yeah, the only time we should listen to others is when they agree with us!

[Skin]

I think Vuc will be a huge piece if we have a Guard/wing who can score and assist. Thus Vuc is not going to be the no.1 option but second or third

The million dollar question... how do the Magic acquire a guard/wing who can score and assist when they have no cap space, no valuable trade assets and the 15th draft pick?

BLOW IT UP

[VFX]

I think Vuc will be a huge piece if we have a Guard/wing who can score and assist. Thus Vuc is not going to be the no.1 option but second or third

The million dollar question... how do the Magic acquire a guard/wing who can score and assist when they have no cap space, no valuable trade assets and the 15th draft pick?

And this good sir... is the question that nobody wants to answer.

Blow this **** up. People are banking on landing a #1 option while picking at 15? Nah. And no, AG isn’t getting us this player either.

[VFX]

They drafted Bamba at 6 just two years ago. They wouldn't have taken him if they were 100 percent committed to Vooch. Now, Vooch took off after we took Bamba and Mo has not proven worthy of where we drafted him but you don't take a guy at 6 thinking he will always be on the bench.

You’re giving them WAY too much credit with the Bamba pick like they had an actual plan. They drafted him “BeCaUsE hEs BpA” and has long arms. Nothing more nothing less.

I dont like Bamba, but the thought process of Weltman was right. You dont pass on a high ceiling player becouse you have Vucevic. Thats how Kings drafted Bagley before Doncic becouse they had Fox as a lead ball handler.

That’s your example??? Doncic was the best player in that draft and it wasn’t even close. Ayton was in the conversation even though he shouldn’t have been...maybe.

No, their thought process wasn’t right. Drafting him made zero sense if they didn’t actually plan on following through with their plan. Wasted pick. You simply don’t spend a top lottery pick on a backup Center.. ever...period

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Vuc becoming a HUGE trading chip

Not if you ask fans of other teams in the T/T forum. Lol

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Dude wasn’t valued at 10M lol he’s not valued at 28-40M either. Shocker

[NotACat]

This forum is overreacting to the playoff series as usual. We would look a lot better if we were healthy and its great for development. The playoffs highlight player weaknesses more than any other situation - and the drive to win will push them to correct those weaknesses.

And even if everyone is retained, running it back means having a better version of Fultz and Bamba + the addition of Okeke and whoever else we draft. This team is on an upward trajectory regardless of how people feel about them, Steve Clifford is a great coach who will get the most of our players, and he'll put together a gameplan that will always have the Magic in a position to win.

Do I want to trade Fournier? Of course. Do I want to trade AG? Depends on the return. Do I want to trade Vuc? Not yet. The reality is that the Front Office has done a good job managing the the salaries of our players. Have they wiffed at times? Yes, just like every other FO. Could things have been better? Yes, but everything is better in hindsight. There were so many people DESPERATE to trade Jonathan Isaac for DSJ who's about to exit the league.

People just need to chill out.

Vuc becoming a HUGE trading chip

Not if you ask fans of other teams in the T/T forum. Lol

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1987458

Dude wasn’t valued at 10M lol he’s not valued at 28-40M either. Shocker

Well its a good thing he's getting paid $26M, $24M, and $22M the next 3 years. And he's a top 8 center. And he's been a major factor in Fultz's development since he doesn't clog the lane. There's not many 5s in the league that could be better for Fultz or JI.

[MasterGMer]

This forum is overreacting to the playoff series as usual. We would look a lot better if we were healthy and its great for development. The playoffs highlight player weaknesses more than any other situation - and the drive to win will push them to correct those weaknesses.

And even if everyone is retained, running it back means having a better version of Fultz and Bamba + the addition of Okeke and whoever else we draft. This team is on an upward trajectory regardless of how people feel about them, Steve Clifford is a great coach who will get the most of our players, and he'll put together a gameplan that will always have the Magic in a position to win.

Do I want to trade Fournier? Of course. Do I want to trade AG? Depends on the return. Do I want to trade Vuc? Not yet. The reality is that the Front Office has done a good job managing the the salaries of our players. Have they wiffed at times? Yes, just like every other FO. Could things have been better? Yes, but everything is better in hindsight. There were so many people DESPERATE to trade Jonathan Isaac for DSJ who's about to exit the league.

People just need to chill out.

Not if you ask fans of other teams in the T/T forum. Lol

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1987458

Dude wasn’t valued at 10M lol he’s not valued at 28-40M either. Shocker

Well its a good thing he's getting paid $26M, $24M, and $22M the next 3 years. And he's a top 8 center. And he's been a major factor in Fultz's development since he doesn't clog the lane. There's not many 5s in the league that could be better for Fultz or JI.

I agree with you. That is the exact reason I do not want to play AG or Bamba. If they are going to be the trade chip in this upcoming offseason. I want the team to know their true strength and weakness facing the best team in the NBA.

Of course, i want to win and every loss is frustrating. But the experience is key in building this franchise for years to come.

This series could be the talk or guide for the entire offseason and next year.

I agree that this team is on the upward trajectory, but we have to play well no matter the result in this series against Bucks.

Maybe the FO can nail a trade in the offseason to push this team to the next level. But idea? Fultz has to keep growing and I will keep a close eye on him Game 4. I said he was not going to be our future. Yes and No. He is still young and I have hope in him. And Vuc is our centerpiece.

To be honest, I really want to win this series. But it takes a miracle. However, I just want this team to do well against this kind of defense. Playoff is the time to prove your value in the league.

Let's go, Game 4!

[BadMofoPimp]

I think Vuc will be a huge piece if we have a Guard/wing who can score and assist. Thus Vuc is not going to be the no.1 option but second or third

The million dollar question... how do the Magic acquire a guard/wing who can score and assist when they have no cap space, no valuable trade assets and the 15th draft pick?

Question should be, how do teams like Miami, Cavaliers, Lakers etc all make those trades for superstars when they have much worse cap situations?

[Knightro]

I think Vuc will be a huge piece if we have a Guard/wing who can score and assist. Thus Vuc is not going to be the no.1 option but second or third

The million dollar question... how do the Magic acquire a guard/wing who can score and assist when they have no cap space, no valuable trade assets and the 15th draft pick?

Question should be, how do teams like Miami, Cavaliers, Lakers etc all make those trades for superstars when they have much worse cap situations?

The Lakers, Heat and Cavaliers all signed LeBron James as a free agent. The end.

(and yes I know technically LeBron to Miami was a sign and trade, but he was signing there regardless.)

[GelbeWand09]

You’re giving them WAY too much credit with the Bamba pick like they had an actual plan. They drafted him “BeCaUsE hEs BpA” and has long arms. Nothing more nothing less.

I dont like Bamba, but the thought process of Weltman was right. You dont pass on a high ceiling player becouse you have Vucevic. Thats how Kings drafted Bagley before Doncic becouse they had Fox as a lead ball handler.

That’s your example??? Doncic was the best player in that draft and it wasn’t even close. Ayton was in the conversation even though he shouldn’t have been...maybe.

No, their thought process wasn’t right. Drafting him made zero sense if they didn’t actually plan on following through with their plan. Wasted pick. You simply don’t spend a top lottery pick on a backup Center.. ever...period

Bamba was never the BPA. You don't draft a defensive Center in the lottery anymore. I wrote it here a few times already. Almost all the other athletic defensive Bigs (Bamba isnt even athletic at all) in the 5-8 years before that draft, were drafted late in the 1st round or in the 2nd or undrafted (DeAndre, Robinson, Allen, Capela, Kleber...) . Reaching for such player in the top 10 of one of the best drafts ever is just dumb.
I doubt you need that type of player anyway today, because switching ability is much more important than having a 7fter. Look at a guy like Theis, he is a fantastic defender despite being 6'8. 90% of RealGM laughed about Ainge and the Celtics Bigs before the season & losing Horford, but he showed again he is smarter than most, like he did when he drafted all those guards & wings. God i'm so jealous about the GM's in Boston, Denver, Toronto & Miami. Always forward thinking.
Our drafting in general was so bad the last 5 years. Almost all players are busts, injured or always the same kind of 2nd round wings, without any NBA skill except wingspan.

[MoMM]

I think Vuc will be a huge piece if we have a Guard/wing who can score and assist. Thus Vuc is not going to be the no.1 option but second or third

The million dollar question... how do the Magic acquire a guard/wing who can score and assist when they have no cap space, no valuable trade assets and the 15th draft pick?

Pray for a miracle?

Miracle = Fultz.

[zaymon]

I dont like Bamba, but the thought process of Weltman was right. You dont pass on a high ceiling player becouse you have Vucevic. Thats how Kings drafted Bagley before Doncic becouse they had Fox as a lead ball handler.

That’s your example??? Doncic was the best player in that draft and it wasn’t even close. Ayton was in the conversation even though he shouldn’t have been...maybe.

No, their thought process wasn’t right. Drafting him made zero sense if they didn’t actually plan on following through with their plan. Wasted pick. You simply don’t spend a top lottery pick on a backup Center.. ever...period

Bamba was never the BPA. You don't draft a defensive Center in the lottery anymore. I wrote it here a few times already. Almost all the other athletic defensive Bigs (Bamba isnt even athletic at all) in the 5-8 years before that draft, were drafted late in the 1st round or in the 2nd or undrafted (DeAndre, Robinson, Allen, Capela, Kleber...) . Reaching for such player in the top 10 of one of the best drafts ever is just dumb.
I doubt you need that type of player anyway today, because switching ability is much more important than having a 7fter. Look at a guy like Theis, he is a fantastic defender despite being 6'8. 90% of RealGM laughed about Ainge and the Celtics Bigs before the season & losing Horford, but he showed again he is smarter than most, like he did when he drafted all those guards & wings. God i'm so jealous about the GM's in Boston, Denver, Toronto & Miami. Always forward thinking.
Our drafting in general was so bad the last 5 years. Almost all players are busts, injured or always the same kind of 2nd round wings, without any NBA skill except wingspan.

As i said i am not high on Bamba, i never was. This is my quote just after the draft

I will be counter weight. Its my least favourite prospect in the top 10. He will be very bad offensively with chance to be just bad. Being smart doesnt equal being good basketball player. Making quick reads and good decisions is something entirely different than smooth talking. Defensively nba changed, now you have to be great team defender becouse there is so much space to cover, and he is nowhere near elite prospects like JJJ, even Carter

Taking all of this into account, and that Doncic, JJJ and Young were all of the board i dont think Weltman made bad decision (outside of trading down).
Rim protecting, floor spacing big is still very valueable role. (Lopez, Turner, Porzingis, Nurkic). You could argue its more valueable than non star secondary ball handler (SGA, Brogdon, Ball) and even if its not more valueable its definetly harder to find. I dont blame Weltman for this move even if i dont like the player.

[drsd]

This forum is overreacting to the playoff series as usual. We would look a lot better if we were healthy and its great for development. The playoffs highlight player weaknesses more than any other situation - and the drive to win will push them to correct those weaknesses.

And even if everyone is retained, running it back means having a better version of Fultz and Bamba + the addition of Okeke and whoever else we draft. This team is on an upward trajectory regardless of how people feel about them, Steve Clifford is a great coach who will get the most of our players, and he'll put together a gameplan that will always have the Magic in a position to win.

Do I want to trade Fournier? Of course. Do I want to trade AG? Depends on the return. Do I want to trade Vuc? Not yet. The reality is that the Front Office has done a good job managing the the salaries of our players. Have they wiffed at times? Yes, just like every other FO. Could things have been better? Yes, but everything is better in hindsight. There were so many people DESPERATE to trade Jonathan Isaac for DSJ who's about to exit the league.

People just need to chill out.

The better team is winning and the Bucks is proving why defence matters.

Look: let's say Orlando steals another and then loses the series 4-2, frankly that is a great result for this team.

What do I want moving forward? I want to see Gordon play a game.


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