Around the League: 2024-25 Season

[eyriq]

We have second best odds to sign Oladipo off the FA market. LOL!

Oladipo would be such a feel good story

[pepe1991]

That Dončić trade is really aiging well.
Dallas 10th
Lakers 2#

Dallas lost AD, Kyrie probably for a season.

Next step: remove team to Vegas, witch was original plan to start all this.

[cedric76]

That Dončić trade is really aiging well.
Dallas 10th
Lakers 2#

Dallas lost AD, Kyrie probably for a season.

Next step: remove team to Vegas, witch was original plan to start all this.

Worst trade ever

F*** Lakers

[drsd]

That Dončić trade is really aiging well.
Dallas 10th
Lakers 2#

Dallas lost AD, Kyrie probably for a season.

Next step: remove team to Vegas, witch was original plan to start all this.

Worst trade ever

F*** Lakers

Worst? Not so sure.

Milwaukee Bucks Trade Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1975)
Bucks Get: Junior Bridgeman, Dave Meyers, Elmore Smith, Brian Winters
Lakers Get: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Why It’s Bad: Kareem won five MVPs and five titles with the Lakers, while Milwaukee got decent players but no real star power.

Brooklyn Nets Trade for Aging Celtics Stars (2013)
Nets Get: Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry, D.J. White
Celtics Get: Five players + 2014, 2016, 2018 first-round picks (Jaylen Brown, Collin Sexton via trade) and 2017 pick swap (Jayson Tatum)
Why It’s Bad: Brooklyn sacrificed its entire future for washed-up veterans. Meanwhile, Boston used those picks to draft franchise cornerstones.

Phoenix Suns Trade Charles Barkley (1992)
Suns Get: Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry, Andrew Lang
Sixers Get: Charles Barkley
Why It’s Bad: gave away an MVP who immediately led Phoenix to the Finals.

Golden State Warriors Trade Mitch Richmond (1991)
Warriors Get: Billy Owens
Kings Get: Mitch Richmond
Why It’s Bad: Richmond became a Hall of Famer, while Owens never panned out.


....


Then there are the trades for rookies. Examples:

Charlotte Hornets Trade Kobe Bryant (1996)
Hornets Get: Vlade Divac
Lakers Get: Draft rights to Kobe Bryant

Seattle Supersonics Trade Scottie Pippen (1987)
Supersonics Get: Olden Polynice, 1988 and 1989 draft picks
Bulls Get: Scottie Pippen

Charlotte Hornets Trade Dirk Nowitzki (1998)
Hornets Get: Robert Traylor
Mavericks Get: Dirk Nowitzki

Los Angeles Clippers Trade for Paul George (2019)
Clippers Get: Paul George
Thunder Get: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Danilo Gallinari, five first-round picks (2021-2026)


But a team doesn't know it is trading for a future hall of famer, after all.

[GelbeWand09]

That Dončić trade is really aiging well.
Dallas 10th
Lakers 2#

Dallas lost AD, Kyrie probably for a season.

Next step: remove team to Vegas, witch was original plan to start all this.

Even the Quentin Grimes trade looks bad. If you believe it or not but there where cheap roleplayers to be had at the deadline who can score MORE!!! than 10 points AND can SHOOT!!! volume 3's!!!, while being young.

[pepe1991]

That Dončić trade is really aiging well.
Dallas 10th
Lakers 2#

Dallas lost AD, Kyrie probably for a season.

Next step: remove team to Vegas, witch was original plan to start all this.

Even the Quentin Grimes trade looks bad. If you believe it or not but there where cheap roleplayers to be had at the deadline who can score MORE!!! than 10 points AND can SHOOT!!! volume 3's!!!, while being young.

funniest part about that trade is that Dallas had to give up second round pick to make a trade


on other side, Lakers, contenders? 39-21.
Cavs -Lakers finals ?

[Idiosyncratic]

The Blazers just gave up 84! points on 46(!!!) shots to Pritchard and Derrick White. That has to be nearly historical, no? That is insane. 1 turnover between the two and hardly any free throws. Absolutely bonkers.

[thelead]

The Blazers just gave up 84! points on 46(!!!) shots to Pritchard and Derrick White. That has to be nearly historical, no? That is insane. 1 turnover between the two and hardly any free throws. Absolutely bonkers.

Didn't watch the game but let me guess who was guarding those guys...

[KillMonger]

The Blazers just gave up 84! points on 46(!!!) shots to Pritchard and Derrick White. That has to be nearly historical, no? That is insane. 1 turnover between the two and hardly any free throws. Absolutely bonkers.

Didn't watch the game but let me guess who was guarding those guys...

At work.....needed this laugh right here

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[pepe1991]

The Blazers just gave up 84! points on 46(!!!) shots to Pritchard and Derrick White. That has to be nearly historical, no? That is insane. 1 turnover between the two and hardly any free throws. Absolutely bonkers.

Didn't watch the game but let me guess who was guarding those guys...

At work.....needed this laugh right here

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Both players were on my "target list" on "Paolo for ...? " thread.

Not that i would trade Paolo for them, but they are typical example of players who are way better than media & fans perception about them is.
To me White should have been all star last year.

This "anti Simmons" thing about defense is bit hilarious, in times Orlando starts Corey Joseph at PG

And not, it's not Simmons fault , if you watch Celtics games (and for damn sure everybody should, because they are everything right with NBA and basketball today) you would figure how it is impossible to held 1 person accountable for defense against them. They destroy teams with perfect off ball moves and ball that never sticks. I low key hope to play them in playoffs, just so people can see why "my turn- Paolo, my turn Franz" offense will never work against contenders.

Prichard several time coocked Scoot who is really good defender and was all over him, but Prichard was on his Steph Curry s***t , hitting stepback off the dribble 3s like it's layup. White was mostly guarded by Camara, who is yet another good on ball defender, but once again, Celtics send you flying in switches , they have plays where Luke Kornet makes plays for others, once they start making 3s nobody can guard that team.

[thelead]

Didn't watch the game but let me guess who was guarding those guys...

At work.....needed this laugh right here

Sent from my [Sidekick 5G] using RealGM mobile app

Both players were on my "target list" on "Paolo for ...? " thread.

Not that i would trade Paolo for them, but they are typical example of players who are way better than media & fans perception about them is.
To me White should have been all star last year.

This "anti Simmons" thing about defense is bit hilarious, in times Orlando starts Corey Joseph at PG

And not, it's not Simmons fault , if you watch Celtics games (and for damn sure everybody should, because they are everything right with NBA and basketball today) you would figure how it is impossible to held 1 person accountable for defense against them. They destroy teams with perfect off ball moves and ball that never sticks. I low key hope to play them in playoffs, just so people can see why "my turn- Paolo, my turn Franz" offense will never work against contenders.

Prichard several time coocked Scoot who is really good defender and was all over him, but Prichard was on his Steph Curry s***t , hitting stepback off the dribble 3s like it's layup. White was mostly guarded by Camara, who is yet another good on ball defender, but once again, Celtics send you flying in switches , they have plays where Luke Kornet makes plays for others, once they start making 3s nobody can guard that team.

Prichard is an amazing scorer. White is amazing at nearly everything. And yes, I would still trade for Simons

[basketballRob]

We need Portland to start winning more games.

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[Idiosyncratic]

Didn't watch the game but let me guess who was guarding those guys...

At work.....needed this laugh right here

Sent from my [Sidekick 5G] using RealGM mobile app

Both players were on my "target list" on "Paolo for ...? " thread.

Not that i would trade Paolo for them, but they are typical example of players who are way better than media & fans perception about them is.
To me White should have been all star last year.

This "anti Simmons" thing about defense is bit hilarious, in times Orlando starts Corey Joseph at PG

And not, it's not Simmons fault , if you watch Celtics games (and for damn sure everybody should, because they are everything right with NBA and basketball today) you would figure how it is impossible to held 1 person accountable for defense against them. They destroy teams with perfect off ball moves and ball that never sticks. I low key hope to play them in playoffs, just so people can see why "my turn- Paolo, my turn Franz" offense will never work against contenders.

Prichard several time coocked Scoot who is really good defender and was all over him, but Prichard was on his Steph Curry s***t , hitting stepback off the dribble 3s like it's layup. White was mostly guarded by Camara, who is yet another good on ball defender, but once again, Celtics send you flying in switches , they have plays where Luke Kornet makes plays for others, once they start making 3s nobody can guard that team.

This is not accurate, Camara was on Brown basically the entire game. They went at Simons over and over and got to the basket for an easy bucket or kicked it out once he got help several times. His rotations and ability to get through a screen were also non-existent. They also got a couple 3s on kick outs after rebounds over him, he had 1 rebound in 38 minutes and it was at the end once it was over. Rebounding is one of the main reasons the Celtics won this BTW in spite of all the offense. He did have a good offensive game, although the bulk came against a safe lead in the 4th. As a side note, the Blazers still play Simons more than almost anybody so I am not even sure why we assume he is available at this point.

White and Pritchard deserve a TON of credit for their shotmaking though, a lot of the shots were wide open because the Blazers couldn't even figure out how to step up on simple screens, Walker/Clingan were especially terrible on defense. But they also made some insane ISO shots and deep 3s. I don't even think the ball movement for the Celtics was crazy this game. Simple one screen or easy drive and they created open looks fairly easy, coupled with some insane Pritchard iso. Not much resistance.

I think people will hate the Celtics the more they watch them. Ball movement is great, but people hate the 3s thing. Best hope for them to lose in the playoffs is some randomly cold shooting.

[pepe1991]

At work.....needed this laugh right here

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Both players were on my "target list" on "Paolo for ...? " thread.

Not that i would trade Paolo for them, but they are typical example of players who are way better than media & fans perception about them is.
To me White should have been all star last year.

This "anti Simmons" thing about defense is bit hilarious, in times Orlando starts Corey Joseph at PG

And not, it's not Simmons fault , if you watch Celtics games (and for damn sure everybody should, because they are everything right with NBA and basketball today) you would figure how it is impossible to held 1 person accountable for defense against them. They destroy teams with perfect off ball moves and ball that never sticks. I low key hope to play them in playoffs, just so people can see why "my turn- Paolo, my turn Franz" offense will never work against contenders.

Prichard several time coocked Scoot who is really good defender and was all over him, but Prichard was on his Steph Curry s***t , hitting stepback off the dribble 3s like it's layup. White was mostly guarded by Camara, who is yet another good on ball defender, but once again, Celtics send you flying in switches , they have plays where Luke Kornet makes plays for others, once they start making 3s nobody can guard that team.

This is not accurate, Camara was on Brown basically the entire game. They went at Simons over and over and got to the basket for an easy bucket or kicked it out once he got help several times. His rotations and ability to get through a screen were also non-existent. They also got a couple 3s on kick outs after rebounds over him, he had 1 rebound in 38 minutes and it was at the end once it was over. Rebounding is one of the main reasons the Celtics won this BTW in spite of all the offense. He did have a good offensive game, although the bulk came against a safe lead in the 4th. As a side note, the Blazers still play Simons more than almost anybody so I am not even sure why we assume he is available at this point.

White and Pritchard deserve a TON of credit for their shotmaking though, a lot of the shots were wide open because the Blazers couldn't even figure out how to step up on simple screens, Walker/Clingan were especially terrible on defense. But they also made some insane ISO shots and deep 3s. I don't even think the ball movement for the Celtics was crazy this game. Simple one screen or easy drive and they created open looks fairly easy, coupled with some insane Pritchard iso. Not much resistance.

I think people will hate the Celtics the more they watch them. Ball movement is great, but people hate the 3s thing. Best hope for them to lose in the playoffs is some randomly cold shooting.

Watch on YouTube

0:28 first three. Primary defender Scoot, after switch coverage of Avdija- made semi contested 3
0:40 , stepback 3 - Scoot whole possession on him
0:50 , step back, off dribble buzzerbeater 3 over Scoot ( great defense, really can't do much )
1:22 broken play, after offensive rebound, Simons tries to recover but too late
1:45 offensive rebound and and one against Scoot
1:57 three over Camara
2:20 Great defense by Simons on White, he kicks out on perimeter where one player( have no clue his name) forgot to get out of paint , Avdija tries to recover, again, too late, Prichard 3
2:36 offensvie rebound by Kornet, kickout , Prichard makes 3 with Sharpe and Camara running to contest
2:47 he beats Murray off the dribble for layup
3:00 Cligan & Scoot vs Prichard and Horford 2 v 2 pick&roll, Cligan too slow
3:09- makes 26 foot 3 over Simons
3:31 -beats Simmons off the dribble
3:46 beats some backup PF/C off the dribble for layup

In addition i went through all possessions of White and. Shocking. Out of 28 possessions where those two guys scored, Simons was on them - 5 times. Meaning he is not fault guy for this shooting.

I mean , sure, Simons isn't elite defender by any streach of imagination but people just wait until some guard goes off vs Blazers to tell "see i told you".

Again, we start Cole Anthony, Corey Joseph, we have Anthony Black pretending to be playmaker, Simons would be best "playmaker" Magic had since... Penny?
Would he be my first choice? No. I would prefer White. Prichard would look same, if not worst than Simons on defense if he is on any other team but Boston and if he plays majority of min vs starters. AAAND STILL i would take him in heartbeat.

We will never build anything with this mantra that every player has to be Gary Payton on defense. For crying out loud, our starting PF isn't good defender and on other thread people are willing to sell their family and kids for him.

[Idiosyncratic]

Both players were on my "target list" on "Paolo for ...? " thread.

Not that i would trade Paolo for them, but they are typical example of players who are way better than media & fans perception about them is.
To me White should have been all star last year.

This "anti Simmons" thing about defense is bit hilarious, in times Orlando starts Corey Joseph at PG

And not, it's not Simmons fault , if you watch Celtics games (and for damn sure everybody should, because they are everything right with NBA and basketball today) you would figure how it is impossible to held 1 person accountable for defense against them. They destroy teams with perfect off ball moves and ball that never sticks. I low key hope to play them in playoffs, just so people can see why "my turn- Paolo, my turn Franz" offense will never work against contenders.

Prichard several time coocked Scoot who is really good defender and was all over him, but Prichard was on his Steph Curry s***t , hitting stepback off the dribble 3s like it's layup. White was mostly guarded by Camara, who is yet another good on ball defender, but once again, Celtics send you flying in switches , they have plays where Luke Kornet makes plays for others, once they start making 3s nobody can guard that team.

This is not accurate, Camara was on Brown basically the entire game. They went at Simons over and over and got to the basket for an easy bucket or kicked it out once he got help several times. His rotations and ability to get through a screen were also non-existent. They also got a couple 3s on kick outs after rebounds over him, he had 1 rebound in 38 minutes and it was at the end once it was over. Rebounding is one of the main reasons the Celtics won this BTW in spite of all the offense. He did have a good offensive game, although the bulk came against a safe lead in the 4th. As a side note, the Blazers still play Simons more than almost anybody so I am not even sure why we assume he is available at this point.

White and Pritchard deserve a TON of credit for their shotmaking though, a lot of the shots were wide open because the Blazers couldn't even figure out how to step up on simple screens, Walker/Clingan were especially terrible on defense. But they also made some insane ISO shots and deep 3s. I don't even think the ball movement for the Celtics was crazy this game. Simple one screen or easy drive and they created open looks fairly easy, coupled with some insane Pritchard iso. Not much resistance.

I think people will hate the Celtics the more they watch them. Ball movement is great, but people hate the 3s thing. Best hope for them to lose in the playoffs is some randomly cold shooting.

Watch on YouTube

0:28 first three. Primary defender Scoot, after switch coverage of Avdija- made semi contested 3
0:40 , stepback 3 - Scoot whole possession on him
0:50 , step back, off dribble buzzerbeater 3 over Scoot ( great defense, really can't do much )
1:22 broken play, after offensive rebound, Simons tries to recover but too late
1:45 offensive rebound and and one against Scoot
1:57 three over Camara
2:20 Great defense by Simons on White, he kicks out on perimeter where one player( have no clue his name) forgot to get out of paint , Avdija tries to recover, again, too late, Prichard 3
2:36 offensvie rebound by Kornet, kickout , Prichard makes 3 with Sharpe and Camara running to contest
2:47 he beats Murray off the dribble for layup
3:00 Cligan & Scoot vs Prichard and Horford 2 v 2 pick&roll, Cligan too slow
3:09- makes 26 foot 3 over Simons
3:31 -beats Simmons off the dribble
3:46 beats some backup PF/C off the dribble for layup

In addition i went through all possessions of White and. Shocking. Out of 28 possessions where those two guys scored, Simons was on them - 5 times. Meaning he is not fault guy for this shooting.

I mean , sure, Simons isn't elite defender by any streach of imagination but people just wait until some guard goes off vs Blazers to tell "see i told you".

Again, we start Cole Anthony, Corey Joseph, we have Anthony Black pretending to be playmaker, Simons would be best "playmaker" Magic had since... Penny?
Would he be my first choice? No. I would prefer White. Prichard would look same, if not worst than Simons on defense if he is on any other team but Boston and if he plays majority of min vs starters. AAAND STILL i would take him in heartbeat.

We will never build anything with this mantra that every player has to be Gary Payton on defense. For crying out loud, our starting PF isn't good defender and on other thread people are willing to sell their family and kids for him.

Not sure how you watched all possessions and came out thinking Camara was primarily on White. That was Simons. Also all the times Jaylen Brown took Simons off of switches to the basket for a bucket or easy assist off of help. Possession he fell asleep on Horford fast break three. He was horrid defensively. I don’t really wait for guards to go off on him and post though, I was mainly pointing out what I thought was a historic performance with a little hint of anti-Simons bias

BTW Blazers shot as good as Celtics this game. Rebounding was huge difference here. Simons grabbed 1 board in 38 minutes. My point is every contribution from every player matters. How efficiently you score, how well you rebound, how well you defend, how many extra possessions you create by taking care of ball or getting steals. People hyperfocus mostly on scoring, everything matters out of everyone .

Of course in our spot we could probably sacrifice some defense for someone more scoring oriented. Of course I would take him over the slop we have. But just trying to be realistic about what he does or doesn’t do and it isn’t worth anywhere close to his salary IMO. There is a price I would take him, but I don’t get too excited about trading assets for 28 mil Simons.

[eyriq]

ESPN net points seem to ding Scoot and Simons, with dNets of -7.4 and -5.5 respectively.

White and Pritchard have oNets of +8.9 and +18.0, respectfully.

[pepe1991]

This is not accurate, Camara was on Brown basically the entire game. They went at Simons over and over and got to the basket for an easy bucket or kicked it out once he got help several times. His rotations and ability to get through a screen were also non-existent. They also got a couple 3s on kick outs after rebounds over him, he had 1 rebound in 38 minutes and it was at the end once it was over. Rebounding is one of the main reasons the Celtics won this BTW in spite of all the offense. He did have a good offensive game, although the bulk came against a safe lead in the 4th. As a side note, the Blazers still play Simons more than almost anybody so I am not even sure why we assume he is available at this point.

White and Pritchard deserve a TON of credit for their shotmaking though, a lot of the shots were wide open because the Blazers couldn't even figure out how to step up on simple screens, Walker/Clingan were especially terrible on defense. But they also made some insane ISO shots and deep 3s. I don't even think the ball movement for the Celtics was crazy this game. Simple one screen or easy drive and they created open looks fairly easy, coupled with some insane Pritchard iso. Not much resistance.

I think people will hate the Celtics the more they watch them. Ball movement is great, but people hate the 3s thing. Best hope for them to lose in the playoffs is some randomly cold shooting.

Watch on YouTube

0:28 first three. Primary defender Scoot, after switch coverage of Avdija- made semi contested 3
0:40 , stepback 3 - Scoot whole possession on him
0:50 , step back, off dribble buzzerbeater 3 over Scoot ( great defense, really can't do much )
1:22 broken play, after offensive rebound, Simons tries to recover but too late
1:45 offensive rebound and and one against Scoot
1:57 three over Camara
2:20 Great defense by Simons on White, he kicks out on perimeter where one player( have no clue his name) forgot to get out of paint , Avdija tries to recover, again, too late, Prichard 3
2:36 offensvie rebound by Kornet, kickout , Prichard makes 3 with Sharpe and Camara running to contest
2:47 he beats Murray off the dribble for layup
3:00 Cligan & Scoot vs Prichard and Horford 2 v 2 pick&roll, Cligan too slow
3:09- makes 26 foot 3 over Simons
3:31 -beats Simmons off the dribble
3:46 beats some backup PF/C off the dribble for layup

In addition i went through all possessions of White and. Shocking. Out of 28 possessions where those two guys scored, Simons was on them - 5 times. Meaning he is not fault guy for this shooting.

I mean , sure, Simons isn't elite defender by any streach of imagination but people just wait until some guard goes off vs Blazers to tell "see i told you".

Again, we start Cole Anthony, Corey Joseph, we have Anthony Black pretending to be playmaker, Simons would be best "playmaker" Magic had since... Penny?
Would he be my first choice? No. I would prefer White. Prichard would look same, if not worst than Simons on defense if he is on any other team but Boston and if he plays majority of min vs starters. AAAND STILL i would take him in heartbeat.

We will never build anything with this mantra that every player has to be Gary Payton on defense. For crying out loud, our starting PF isn't good defender and on other thread people are willing to sell their family and kids for him.

Not sure how you watched all possessions and came out thinking Camara was primarily on White. That was Simons. Also all the times Jaylen Brown took Simons off of switches to the basket for a bucket or easy assist off of help. Possession he fell asleep on Horford fast break three. He was horrid defensively. I don’t really wait for guards to go off on him and post though, I was mainly pointing out what I thought was a historic performance with a little hint of anti-Simons bias

BTW Blazers shot as good as Celtics this game. Rebounding was huge difference here. Simons grabbed 1 board in 38 minutes. My point is every contribution from every player matters. How efficiently you score, how well you rebound, how well you defend, how many extra possessions you create by taking care of ball or getting steals. People hyperfocus mostly on scoring, everything matters out of everyone .

Of course in our spot we could probably sacrifice some defense for someone more scoring oriented. Of course I would take him over the slop we have. But just trying to be realistic about what he does or doesn’t do and it isn’t worth anywhere close to his salary IMO. There is a price I would take him, but I don’t get too excited about trading assets for 28 mil Simons.

By watching all possessions where White & Prichard actually scored while Simons was on them. 5 times out of 28 made FGA.

If you want to make case for Simons sucking on defense, there is plenty of evidence for it , but this game wasn't it

What's the point about talking about rebounds in context of Simons ? Blazers were without Robert Williams and Ayton, only center they had was a rookie. ( who only played 20 min)

Wanna flip a tables:
Simons 30 points on 12-21 FG and 6 assists
- tricks White off the dribble ,gets uncotested mid range
- beats White off the dribble for uncotested shot
-stepback over Walsh
- cooks Horford off the switch for corner 3 assists
- cooks Horford off switch for layup
- Horford late switch results in open 3 ( Simons assist)
-Horford late switch again results in open 3 ( Simons assists)
- White beaten off the dribble again
- Horford chasing ghosts, lost in switches, results in Simons dunk (on/near) Brown
- beats Queta off dribble for layup
. beats Hauser for layup
-shoots over Prichard who doesn't even contest shot
- makes 3 in Horfrod's face

by watching this game, Simons cooked White and Horford too many times to count. And would you call them trash defenders?
Guy beat more people off the dribble in this game than Magic guards combined for whole season.


It's nba, guards are hard to guard. People are hyperfocused on defense. Magic have bad offensive rating. By 2012 standards. And 1 nba level guard ( Suggs) and he is not returning any time soon and God knows how he will recover.

[Idiosyncratic]

Watch on YouTube

0:28 first three. Primary defender Scoot, after switch coverage of Avdija- made semi contested 3
0:40 , stepback 3 - Scoot whole possession on him
0:50 , step back, off dribble buzzerbeater 3 over Scoot ( great defense, really can't do much )
1:22 broken play, after offensive rebound, Simons tries to recover but too late
1:45 offensive rebound and and one against Scoot
1:57 three over Camara
2:20 Great defense by Simons on White, he kicks out on perimeter where one player( have no clue his name) forgot to get out of paint , Avdija tries to recover, again, too late, Prichard 3
2:36 offensvie rebound by Kornet, kickout , Prichard makes 3 with Sharpe and Camara running to contest
2:47 he beats Murray off the dribble for layup
3:00 Cligan & Scoot vs Prichard and Horford 2 v 2 pick&roll, Cligan too slow
3:09- makes 26 foot 3 over Simons
3:31 -beats Simmons off the dribble
3:46 beats some backup PF/C off the dribble for layup

In addition i went through all possessions of White and. Shocking. Out of 28 possessions where those two guys scored, Simons was on them - 5 times. Meaning he is not fault guy for this shooting.

I mean , sure, Simons isn't elite defender by any streach of imagination but people just wait until some guard goes off vs Blazers to tell "see i told you".

Again, we start Cole Anthony, Corey Joseph, we have Anthony Black pretending to be playmaker, Simons would be best "playmaker" Magic had since... Penny?
Would he be my first choice? No. I would prefer White. Prichard would look same, if not worst than Simons on defense if he is on any other team but Boston and if he plays majority of min vs starters. AAAND STILL i would take him in heartbeat.

We will never build anything with this mantra that every player has to be Gary Payton on defense. For crying out loud, our starting PF isn't good defender and on other thread people are willing to sell their family and kids for him.

Not sure how you watched all possessions and came out thinking Camara was primarily on White. That was Simons. Also all the times Jaylen Brown took Simons off of switches to the basket for a bucket or easy assist off of help. Possession he fell asleep on Horford fast break three. He was horrid defensively. I don’t really wait for guards to go off on him and post though, I was mainly pointing out what I thought was a historic performance with a little hint of anti-Simons bias

BTW Blazers shot as good as Celtics this game. Rebounding was huge difference here. Simons grabbed 1 board in 38 minutes. My point is every contribution from every player matters. How efficiently you score, how well you rebound, how well you defend, how many extra possessions you create by taking care of ball or getting steals. People hyperfocus mostly on scoring, everything matters out of everyone .

Of course in our spot we could probably sacrifice some defense for someone more scoring oriented. Of course I would take him over the slop we have. But just trying to be realistic about what he does or doesn’t do and it isn’t worth anywhere close to his salary IMO. There is a price I would take him, but I don’t get too excited about trading assets for 28 mil Simons.

By watching all possessions where White & Prichard actually scored while Simons was on them. 5 times out of 28 made FGA.

If you want to make case for Simons sucking on defense, there is plenty of evidence for it , but this game wasn't it

What's the point about talking about rebounds in context of Simons ? Blazers were without Robert Williams and Ayton, only center they had was a rookie. ( who only played 20 min)

Wanna flip a tables:
Simons 30 points on 12-21 FG and 6 assists
- tricks White off the dribble ,gets uncotested mid range
- beats White off the dribble for uncotested shot
-stepback over Walsh
- cooks Horford off the switch for corner 3 assists
- cooks Horford off switch for layup
- Horford late switch results in open 3 ( Simons assist)
-Horford late switch again results in open 3 ( Simons assists)
- White beaten off the dribble again
- Horford chasing ghosts, lost in switches, results in Simons dunk (on/near) Brown
- beats Queta off dribble for layup
. beats Hauser for layup
-shoots over Prichard who doesn't even contest shot
- makes 3 in Horfrod's face

by watching this game, Simons cooked White and Horford too many times to count. And would you call them trash defenders?
Guy beat more people off the dribble in this game than Magic guards combined for whole season.


It's nba, guards are hard to guard. People are hyperfocused on defense. Magic have bad offensive rating. By 2012 standards. And 1 nba level guard ( Suggs) and he is not returning any time soon and God knows how he will recover.

Because rebounds do matter. It’s not only the center’s job. Guy can’t contest shots, can’t rebound, won’t get you any steals. Offense needs to be terrific to make up for it. Every aspect matters. Dude was getting rebounded over which led to open 3s. He’s supposed to just tell his centers to grab long 3 rebounds ? No need to box out?

Argument isn’t if Simons is better than Joseph. Everyone is taking Simons there. Simons is a solid player. Is he worth trade assets and committing 20+ million to? Debatable right? Maybe not for you, I’ve seen you suggest multiple 1sts for Kispert and Josh Green. I want to win a title, not end up with an OK roster devoid of young talent to sustain or left with no 1sts to trade for a meaningful true plus contributor.

All of Pritchard, White and Simons were taken in the late 20s BTW for the people parroting how the Denver pick is worthless.

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All of Pritchard, White and Simons were taken in the late 20s BTW for the people parroting how the Denver pick is worthless.

Weltman first round picks outside of the top 10:

Okeke
Cole
Jett

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All of Pritchard, White and Simons were taken in the late 20s BTW for the people parroting how the Denver pick is worthless.

Weltman first round picks outside of the top 10:

Okeke
Cole
Jett

too easy...why not list all of the hundreds of bums instead of the handfuls of hits?