Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[basketballRob]

AB, on the other hand, is a downhill playmaker. More pick-and-roll, drive-and-kick, connector-type.

AB generates 0.68 PPP as PnR Ballhandler, he is in the 16th percentile. It´s amazing how bad he is here

Edith: Thats by far worst on the team, even worse than Jett

On how many opportunities?

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[CarraT]

AB, on the other hand, is a downhill playmaker. More pick-and-roll, drive-and-kick, connector-type.

AB generates 0.68 PPP as PnR Ballhandler, he is in the 16th percentile. It´s amazing how bad he is here

Edith: Thats by far worst on the team, even worse than Jett

He'll earn those badges this season. Trust. He's already got solid playmaking attributes, e.g., ball handle: 86, pass accuracy: 80, pass IQ: 77, pass vision: 69, and Speed with ball: 74. Badges like Dimer, Handles for Days, Unpluckable, Ankle Assassin, Lob City Passer, Killer Combos, Needle Threader, etc are uploading.

Ok, we now are putting our "trust" and team building based on N2K ratings. That´s your lowest point so far in this never-endig "debate", Eyriq

[CarraT]

AB, on the other hand, is a downhill playmaker. More pick-and-roll, drive-and-kick, connector-type.

AB generates 0.68 PPP as PnR Ballhandler, he is in the 16th percentile. It´s amazing how bad he is here

Edith: Thats by far worst on the team, even worse than Jett

On how many opportunities?

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263

[eyriq]

AB generates 0.68 PPP as PnR Ballhandler, he is in the 16th percentile. It´s amazing how bad he is here

Edith: Thats by far worst on the team, even worse than Jett

He'll earn those badges this season. Trust. He's already got solid playmaking attributes, e.g., ball handle: 86, pass accuracy: 80, pass IQ: 77, pass vision: 69, and Speed with ball: 74. Badges like Dimer, Handles for Days, Unpluckable, Ankle Assassin, Lob City Passer, Killer Combos, Needle Threader, etc are uploading.

Ok, we now are putting our "trust" and team building based on N2K ratings. That´s your lowest point so far in this never-endig "debate", Eyriq

I'm tired of making statistical and rhetorical arguments for AB so now you get NBA2K takes and you'll like it.

[CarraT]

He'll earn those badges this season. Trust. He's already got solid playmaking attributes, e.g., ball handle: 86, pass accuracy: 80, pass IQ: 77, pass vision: 69, and Speed with ball: 74. Badges like Dimer, Handles for Days, Unpluckable, Ankle Assassin, Lob City Passer, Killer Combos, Needle Threader, etc are uploading.

Ok, we now are putting our "trust" and team building based on N2K ratings. That´s your lowest point so far in this never-endig "debate", Eyriq

I'm tired of making statistical and rhetorical arguments for AB so now you get NBA2K takes and you'll like it.

I just served you the statistic that shows your statements about his playstyle are just flatout wrong, same as yesterday when you claimed Jrue never showd PG signals in beginning of career.

[basketballRob]

AB generates 0.68 PPP as PnR Ballhandler, he is in the 16th percentile. It´s amazing how bad he is here

Edith: Thats by far worst on the team, even worse than Jett

On how many opportunities?

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263

Show me where it says 263.

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[eyriq]

Ok, we now are putting our "trust" and team building based on N2K ratings. That´s your lowest point so far in this never-endig "debate", Eyriq

I'm tired of making statistical and rhetorical arguments for AB so now you get NBA2K takes and you'll like it.

I just served you the statistic that shows your statements about his playstyle are just flatout wrong, same as yesterday when you claimed Jrue never showd PG signals in beginning of career.

Fair point on the numbers. But he was 20-21, thrown into a poor offensive system, and still showed clear growth as a decision-maker. Point guard is the hardest position to master, and he’s trending the right way with tools, intelligence, and a strong work ethic.

[CarraT]

On how many opportunities?

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263

Show me where it says 263.

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https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler?PerMode=Totals&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=D&sort=PERCENTILE

[basketballRob]

263

Show me where it says 263.

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https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler?PerMode=Totals&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=D&sort=PERCENTILE

I watched every game last season, and normally, the picks he got were to pass the to Franz or Paolo at the top of the arc where they would run the offense. Black was never the offensive initiator.

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[CarraT]

I'm tired of making statistical and rhetorical arguments for AB so now you get NBA2K takes and you'll like it.

I just served you the statistic that shows your statements about his playstyle are just flatout wrong, same as yesterday when you claimed Jrue never showd PG signals in beginning of career.

Fair point on the numbers. But he was 20-21, thrown into a poor offensive system, and still showed clear growth as a decision-maker. Point guard is the hardest position to master, and he’s trending the right way with tools, intelligence, and a strong work ethic.

I wish he would be "trending the right way", but he is not. Not as a PG. Good thing, i have faith our coach and FO finally see that too, thats why we got Bane, that´s why they started CoJo midway through season. Final peace is to get a real PG now.
AB has a future in this league, if he puts as much effort in improving his shot as you do in defending him, but not as a PG. He will be a defensive swingman role player.

[CarraT]

Show me where it says 263.

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https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler?PerMode=Totals&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=D&sort=PERCENTILE

I watched every game last season, and normally, the picks he got were to pass the to Franz or Paolo at the top of the arc where they would run the offense. Black was never the offensive initiator.

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Well, feel free to complain at NBA.com that their statistics are wrong.

[bigdogdylan5]

We stayed afloat in December with Suggs, Mo, Tristan, Goga, AB, Caleb, Queen, 1-2 WCJ games, and 1-2 Cole games.
And then Mo went down and we finally burned out 1-2 weeks later in early January.

What happened that 1-2 weeks later? Suggs went down 6 games after Mo. Yea I get it but I am sorry there is a complete lack of respect for Suggs here in that equation. I love Mo and when he went down it definitely played a big role to the wheels coming off. It was both together that finally sunk us. Jalen played 10 more minutes a game than Mo and was the anchor to our defense. I don’t want to downplay either loss because they were both critical.

There’s no Suggs disrespect of his game.

My concerns with him are purely injury related.

If this team doesn’t succeed, it’s likely because Jalen can’t stay on the floor.

Totally legit concern. I honestly think they are holding so tightly to Black because he is much needed insurance for Jalen. Problem is he is 21 and not ready to run a contending offense yet. The team needs to go out and get a vet backup PG for insurance. It’s maybe the best insurance they can buy right now. Then hopefully we can rest Jalen games because he is t going to change but if we can lower his frequency of drives and pace him in games with Black and an experienced backup I think we are in really good shape.

[Knightro]

The more I think about it the more I feel like the Magic really need to use their mid-level this summer because this is the last opportunity they’re gonna have as a non-taxpayer for probably the next four or five years.

You gotta cash that in with the best possible player to help you. The time is now.

[eyriq]

I just served you the statistic that shows your statements about his playstyle are just flatout wrong, same as yesterday when you claimed Jrue never showd PG signals in beginning of career.

Fair point on the numbers. But he was 20-21, thrown into a poor offensive system, and still showed clear growth as a decision-maker. Point guard is the hardest position to master, and he’s trending the right way with tools, intelligence, and a strong work ethic.

I wish he would be "trending the right way", but he is not. Not as a PG. Good thing, i have faith our coach and FO finally see that too, thats why we got Bane, that´s why they started CoJo midway through season. Final peace is to get a real PG now.
AB has a future in this league, if he puts as much effort in improving his shot as you do in defending him, but not as a PG. He will be a defensive swingman role player.

If your read on the situation is that the team is pivoting away from AB at point guard, it might be time to check your lenses. They cleared out Fultz and Cole, gave AB the keys as a secondary initiator, and everything about his offseason focus screams lead guard development. The signs aren't subtle.

[basketballRob]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler?PerMode=Totals&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=D&sort=PERCENTILE

I watched every game last season, and normally, the picks he got were to pass the to Franz or Paolo at the top of the arc where they would run the offense. Black was never the offensive initiator.

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Well, feel free to complain at NBA.com that their statistics are wrong.

I don't need to. I watched the games and explained his role to you. If you can't comprehend, that's on you.

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[CarraT]

Fair point on the numbers. But he was 20-21, thrown into a poor offensive system, and still showed clear growth as a decision-maker. Point guard is the hardest position to master, and he’s trending the right way with tools, intelligence, and a strong work ethic.

I wish he would be "trending the right way", but he is not. Not as a PG. Good thing, i have faith our coach and FO finally see that too, thats why we got Bane, that´s why they started CoJo midway through season. Final peace is to get a real PG now.
AB has a future in this league, if he puts as much effort in improving his shot as you do in defending him, but not as a PG. He will be a defensive swingman role player.

If your read on the situation is that the team is pivoting away from AB at point guard, it might be time to check your lenses. They cleared out Fultz and Cole, gave AB the keys as a secondary initiator, and everything about his offseason focus screams lead guard development. The signs aren't subtle.

Repeating things doesn’t make them true.
We didnt move Cole or Fultz to make room for AB, we did because they suck!
We are not giving AB the keys as a secondary initiator, we just traded a lot of value for a heavy minutes player to be exactly that, being on a long term contract. Doesn’t look like the FO trusts AB to be a starter soon (or ever).
And you keep on mentioning his offseason. Nobody knows what the players are doing exactly. And even if they plan on doing something, that doesn’t mean they will get it done. RJ Hampton also wanted to become a PG in offseason. Howard always worked on his FT. Plenty of our players like Fultz or Payton worked on their 3P shot in summer. How did that work out?
Saying „he’s working on it his summer, trust me bro“ is not an argument. It’s just you being in a love affair and running out of real arguments.

[CarraT]

I watched every game last season, and normally, the picks he got were to pass the to Franz or Paolo at the top of the arc where they would run the offense. Black was never the offensive initiator.

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Well, feel free to complain at NBA.com that their statistics are wrong.

I don't need to. I watched the games and explained his role to you. If you can't comprehend, that's on you.

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We all are watching the games and we all can see on the court how bad he is in PnR. The numbers are perfectly in match with the eye test.

[RichCollab]

Fair point on the numbers. But he was 20-21, thrown into a poor offensive system, and still showed clear growth as a decision-maker. Point guard is the hardest position to master, and he’s trending the right way with tools, intelligence, and a strong work ethic.

I wish he would be "trending the right way", but he is not. Not as a PG. Good thing, i have faith our coach and FO finally see that too, thats why we got Bane, that´s why they started CoJo midway through season. Final peace is to get a real PG now.
AB has a future in this league, if he puts as much effort in improving his shot as you do in defending him, but not as a PG. He will be a defensive swingman role player.

If your read on the situation is that the team is pivoting away from AB at point guard, it might be time to check your lenses. They cleared out Fultz and Cole, gave AB the keys as a secondary initiator, and everything about his offseason focus screams lead guard development. The signs aren't subtle.

If they add a vet PG, and they are in the rotation? What’s going to be the response.

[eyriq]

I wish he would be "trending the right way", but he is not. Not as a PG. Good thing, i have faith our coach and FO finally see that too, thats why we got Bane, that´s why they started CoJo midway through season. Final peace is to get a real PG now.
AB has a future in this league, if he puts as much effort in improving his shot as you do in defending him, but not as a PG. He will be a defensive swingman role player.

If your read on the situation is that the team is pivoting away from AB at point guard, it might be time to check your lenses. They cleared out Fultz and Cole, gave AB the keys as a secondary initiator, and everything about his offseason focus screams lead guard development. The signs aren't subtle.

If they add a vet PG, and they are in the rotation? What’s going to be the response.

If they bring in a vet PG who plays real rotation minutes, then yeah, that likely signals a shift off-ball for AB. That would be disappointing because it limits his upside and changes the development arc they've been on. But until that actually happens, everything we’ve seen suggests they still view him as an on-ball player.

[richi_v25]

So the Magic tried to get Coby White but the Bulls said nah y'all got us last time no more tradesies. That would have been cool.(https://www.si.com/nba/bulls/news/new-report-on-failed-bulls-magic-blockbuster-trade-01jyd08ksrxm)