Official Speculation Thread I

[SloNick Russia]

Yeah, lets just farm lambs

[rcklsscognition]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 34m

We know Suns, Bobcats, Sixers, Celtics & Magic will be REALLY bad. Sources say add Hawks to list. If they don't get DH12, likely to tank

Kings just withdrew their Iggy offer about an hour ago, right out from under him. Iggy on twitter...

Andre Iguodala ‏@andre 53m

Really?? Ok... MOTIVATION!!!!!!

should have taken the money and run. He's not worth more than 10 but he'll likely get 12 still.

[magicsanta]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 34m

We know Suns, Bobcats, Sixers, Celtics & Magic will be REALLY bad. Sources say add Hawks to list. If they don't get DH12, likely to tank

Kings just withdrew their Iggy offer about an hour ago, right out from under him. Iggy on twitter...

Andre Iguodala ‏@andre 53m

Really?? Ok... MOTIVATION!!!!!!

should have taken the money and run. He's not worth more than 10 but he'll likely get 12 still.

I guess they decided to match for Evans?

[Javanar]

There is no need to rush about trading AA. I think, eventually, there will be potential buyers for him...

The problem is, as i see, GM's use trading with Magic as the worst-case scenario, and use our offers as a baseline to increase their players trade value or lower demand of free agents. Magic look like a team trying to trade AA and BBD, but unable to ship those players. This can decrease trade values of those players.

Any guy interested in NBA knows that Magic are in rebuild, and won't be competitive until 2015(at least), so experienced players like AA and BBD do not have future in Orlando. It is also obvious that there is need for a PG; and after getting Oladipo in draft, there is no need for Afflalo in a tank mode team. All possible moves for Magic are predictable, and GM's are getting the benefit of this situation.

To make matters worse, some big market teams like Boston, Lakers, Bulls look unable to move because of their cap situation or because they enter rebuild mode. Worse still, currently there is about 10 teams in rebuiild mode. This also increases the value of young assets and picks and also decreases the value of above average guys like AA and BBD.

To be patient until a desperate team occurs seems the only thing to do for Magic...

[woosah]

^^ yeah, i was reading earlier that they were considering matching Evans offer. That's cold for Iggy though

The reaction among the Kings front office to the news Tyreke Evans had a four year, $44 million offer coming in from the Pelicans is pretty much the same one you had: They are going to pay him how much?

While they may ultimately decide not to, the Kings are considering matching the offer, reports the Sacramento Bee.

A source speaking on the condition of anonymity because negotiations are ongoing, indicated the Kings are considering matching the offer, even though the Pelicans’ offer sheet is above what they thought Evans would receive from another team.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/02/kings-considering-matching-offer-for-tyreke-evans/

[SloNick Russia]

The problem is, as i see, GM's use trading with Magic as the worst-case scenario, and use our offers as a baseline to increase their players trade value or lower demand of free agents. Magic look like a team trying to trade AA and BBD, but unable to ship those players. This can decrease trade values of those players.

No wonder, Henny has robbed avery trade partner he had so far (well may be except New Orleans with Ryno trade)

[94_MagicFan]

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 34m

We know Suns, Bobcats, Sixers, Celtics & Magic will be REALLY bad. Sources say add Hawks to list. If they don't get Dwight

Can we add Portland and Toronto if they trade gay

[Ducklett]

There is no need to rush about trading AA. I think, eventually, there will be potential buyers for him...

The problem is, as i see, GM's use trading with Magic as the worst-case scenario, and use our offers as a baseline to increase their players trade value or lower demand of free agents. Magic look like a team trying to trade AA and BBD, but unable to ship those players. This can decrease trade values of those players.

Any guy interested in NBA knows that Magic are in rebuild, and won't be competitive until 2015(at least), so experienced players like AA and BBD do not have future in Orlando. It is also obvious that there is need for a PG; and after getting Oladipo in draft, there is no need for Afflalo in a tank mode team. All possible moves for Magic are predictable, and GM's are getting the benefit of this situation.

To make matters worse, some big market teams like Boston, Lakers, Bulls look unable to move because of their cap situation or because they enter rebuild mode. Worse still, currently there is about 10 teams in rebuiild mode. This also increases the value of young assets and picks and also decreases the value of above average guys like AA and BBD.

To be patient until a desperate team occurs seems the only thing to do for Magic...

You make a great point, however, their value is only going to go down as the season goes on, as their stats will be worst as they get 1) Benched for younger players to get minutes 2) Get injured 3) Get older

Also, to the guy that said to address PG in 2014, if we get the first pick, do we use that on a PG or get Wiggins, cause the 28th pick we get from Denver isn't gonna be anything good.

[MagicFan32]

Kevin Durant can't be happy right now, all the OKC have to show for Harden is 1 year of Kmart, a rookie who didn't play last year, and Steven Adams!!

that will go down as one of the worst trades in history, especially if it leads to KD leaving

[The Real Dalic]

Kevin Durant can't be happy right now, all the OKC have to show for Harden is 1 year of Kmart, a rookie who didn't play last year, and Steven Adams!!

that will go down as one of the worst trades in history, especially if it leads to KD leaving

It was really an unfortunate spot the Thunder were in. I'm sure it wasn't easy trading Harden but they couldn't afford him anymore after extending Ibaka.

They should've been patient though and held off a little bit longer. Maybe if they shopped him a little bit more there could've been something else out there. But who knows maybe Lamb turns into a pretty good player.

However, I don't think it set them back much. Durant and Westbrook are still there and KD is one of the best, if not the best, player in the game today. And Westbrook is a top 7-10 player if not better.

[SloNick Russia]

I think it was Toronto's pick they loved, it surely looked like TOP-7 guaranteed
What makes me fill good is that we were up for the same Houston package for Dwight which Rob decided to pass on

As for Thunder I think they should amnesty Perkins and trade Lamb or Jones for some veteran frontcourt help

[DiplomaticMagic]

I'm a little disappointed we didn't get Bledsoe, but didn't want to overpay him anyway unless he was an all-star pg. Clippers got a good deal for him, I just don't get why Bledsoe is going to Phoenix and not Milwaukee?? Milwaukee is the team that is giving up the top value. But I'm extremely happy for JJ, and I'm glad he's on a likeable good team I can root for. Clippers definetly look like they can be my 2nd team. They can be dangerous too.

Also I would probably trade Affalo to OKC for Lamb and filler. I was always very high on Lamb, and it's not like he's been a bust or anything. He just stood no chance at playing time on that team. And I don't value Affalo high at all, he was very subpar with us, though I guess he could teach Oladipo some things

[magicsanta]

There is no need to rush about trading AA. I think, eventually, there will be potential buyers for him...

The problem is, as i see, GM's use trading with Magic as the worst-case scenario, and use our offers as a baseline to increase their players trade value or lower demand of free agents. Magic look like a team trying to trade AA and BBD, but unable to ship those players. This can decrease trade values of those players.

Any guy interested in NBA knows that Magic are in rebuild, and won't be competitive until 2015(at least), so experienced players like AA and BBD do not have future in Orlando. It is also obvious that there is need for a PG; and after getting Oladipo in draft, there is no need for Afflalo in a tank mode team. All possible moves for Magic are predictable, and GM's are getting the benefit of this situation.

To make matters worse, some big market teams like Boston, Lakers, Bulls look unable to move because of their cap situation or because they enter rebuild mode. Worse still, currently there is about 10 teams in rebuiild mode. This also increases the value of young assets and picks and also decreases the value of above average guys like AA and BBD.

To be patient until a desperate team occurs seems the only thing to do for Magic...

I don't think you don't shop him just because everybody knows it makes sense for us to trade him, but I do agree that we don't need make a bad deal just to rush it, if nothing good can't be done in the summer, better opportunities may present themselves before the deadline, but that doesn't mean you don't try right now.

[LC_Magic]

If we could deal with OKC I would offer Davis+Afflalo for Lamb and Perry Jones 3rd +future 1st round pick. If it took more to get the deal done I would offer them Harrington or Turkoglu for Perkins or a future 2nd for Perkins. If they took the first deal they can just Ammensty Perkins

Westbrook
Afflalo
Durant
Davis
Ibaka

That line up is strong, Afflalo and Davis fill in their gaps nicely with a Afflalo as a 3rd scorer and Davis as a hustle and energy guy. They might be interested in keeping Perkins, or they might be interested in taking Harrington and/or Turkolgu to improve depth.


Nelson/Moore
Oladipo/Lamb/Lamb
Harkless/Jones
Harris/Nicholson
Vucevic/O'Quinn


I don't know about you guys, I would be very happy with that moving forward for next season, Nelson leading the lockerroom

[Blue_and_Whte]

If we could deal with OKC I would offer Davis+Afflalo for Lamb and Perry Jones 3rd +future 1st round pick. If it took more to get the deal done I would offer them Harrington or Turkoglu for Perkins or a future 2nd for Perkins. If they took the first deal they can just Ammensty Perkins

Westbrook
Afflalo
Durant
Davis
Ibaka

That line up is strong, Afflalo and Davis fill in their gaps nicely with a Afflalo as a 3rd scorer and Davis as a hustle and energy guy. They might be interested in keeping Perkins, or they might be interested in taking Harrington and/or Turkolgu to improve depth.


Nelson/Moore
Oladipo/Lamb/Lamb
Harkless/Jones
Harris/Nicholson
Vucevic/O'Quinn


I don't know about you guys, I would be very happy with that moving forward for next season, Nelson leading the lockerroom

we already used our amnesty and I don't think perkins's contract is partially guranteed.

[Greenraida]

I dont think the money would work if we sent that much cash out?

I guess wed have to use our TPE by trading it to OKC first? Does that work?

[LC_Magic]

I know we used it, I'm saying if Perkins isn't in the deal and they don't want his contact they can amnesty him

I think the trade above is fair value, I would be happy with that deal and moving forward

[LC_Magic]

I thought that with the money, it works on ESPN trade machine for some reason

[tiderulz]

There is no need to rush about trading AA. I think, eventually, there will be potential buyers for him...

The problem is, as i see, GM's use trading with Magic as the worst-case scenario, and use our offers as a baseline to increase their players trade value or lower demand of free agents. Magic look like a team trying to trade AA and BBD, but unable to ship those players. This can decrease trade values of those players.

Any guy interested in NBA knows that Magic are in rebuild, and won't be competitive until 2015(at least), so experienced players like AA and BBD do not have future in Orlando. It is also obvious that there is need for a PG; and after getting Oladipo in draft, there is no need for Afflalo in a tank mode team. All possible moves for Magic are predictable, and GM's are getting the benefit of this situation.

To make matters worse, some big market teams like Boston, Lakers, Bulls look unable to move because of their cap situation or because they enter rebuild mode. Worse still, currently there is about 10 teams in rebuiild mode. This also increases the value of young assets and picks and also decreases the value of above average guys like AA and BBD.

To be patient until a desperate team occurs seems the only thing to do for Magic...

You make a great point, however, their value is only going to go down as the season goes on, as their stats will be worst as they get 1) Benched for younger players to get minutes 2) Get injured 3) Get older

Also, to the guy that said to address PG in 2014, if we get the first pick, do we use that on a PG or get Wiggins, cause the 28th pick we get from Denver isn't gonna be anything good.

Denver is going to suck and NY isnt going to do much better. I see our pick from Denver much better than 28. also, dont be so sure that the vets get automatically benched. remember that the young players come from playing about 33 games a year to now 82 and they will hit the wall. plus, Henny knows they are locked in for 4 years, so he will make sure the vets keep playing time to keep some value for trades.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Kevin Durant can't be happy right now, all the OKC have to show for Harden is 1 year of Kmart, a rookie who didn't play last year, and Steven Adams!!

that will go down as one of the worst trades in history, especially if it leads to KD leaving

Its a testament to how quickly things shift in the NBA. A couple of years ago Magic fans were ready to crown Presti the best GM in the universe, of course we had Otis so by comparison I guess they were right.

I think the Thunder are fine though, they lost in the PO's to a good Memphis team without their second best player, it probablly looks worse than it actually is.